Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below hi guys, got my test e + deca cycle , but got the wrong size syringes , accidently got the 1ml ones which will only do 1 half at a time, also need to do 2ml test e and 400mg deca per week , if i put them in different places should this be a worry? i.e 1ml in my azz, 1ml in my quad, vice versa on opposite side with the deca
Multiple inject, scar tissue vunerable?
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Hello
You're only 21 and 73kg (160lbs) at 5'11"? Been lifting on and off for 2 years?
You can pack on a lot of size and strength naturally at your age. I know you want to start juicing to get the big fast gains but it's really not the best option. If you're not eating big you'll lose your gains when you come off. Easy come easy go. If you are eating big you'll grow without steroids.
What's your diet like? Im pretty sure you could improve on that to get gains before juicing. Really ought to get up to 200lbs (90kg) naturally before using gear. It'll work better on muscles which have been trained strenuously for 5 years or so.
i have not the time or money to supplement my dietary needs , i have to ride to and from work daily, and very active all day at work, 5 days a week and then to the gym after, i eat as much as time gives me, so this is the next step , i only hope you can guide me through to get the best results please
Thing is mate if you don't have the time or money to eat enough how do you think steroids will help? You'll still need to eat big when on cycle or the roids won't have anything to work with. You need to consume a large amount of protein to just maintain muscle mass, more to build it even with juice. And once you finish your cycle your bod wont be able to maintain any new mass if you don't feed it.
Also it seems as though this is your first cycle? If so the deca isn't a great choice.
As for your first question on multiple injects, I'd wait for Steve to get back to you, see what he has to say. As far as I can see the only worry would be more inject sites = more soreness.
PS. I work 12 hours a day and spend 2 hours travelling, I just carry plenty of meals with me and fit em in at every opportunity. Life gets in the way of this game, just gotta find a way round it.
i mean to say that i need to eat every 2 hours, but whilst working it is hard . so i have made myself a diet which is disicplined whilst im on the juice, it involves alot of pre cooking (boiled eggs , Steak sandwhiches..etc) so that i cannot or make excuses to miss any meals, i am in a good situation with food at the moment, i have stocked up very well, and also have money on stand by for extra, also for the other reasons being, i love working out, and i do it very intensely , and i want to do it for longer and harder, the nutrition side of this is being taken care of, its the injecting 4 times in one session i need to know about, maybe ill just go buy some 3ml syringes and save myself the worry. thanks for ur input man
Steve is right. Without the proper diet and training any cycle will be a disaster. Not flaming you bro but if you don't have time and money then you really should wait until you do.
I'm scared to ask but will anyway cause i care.
are you running anti-prolactin with your deca? are you running an AI? what is your PCT? do you have hcg and HMG on hand? I will tell you right now at your size 400mg of deca is way overkill.
i want everyone who juices to know what they are doing and avoid mistakes. this is what EF is all about
are you running anti-prolactin with your deca? are you running an AI? what is your PCT? do you have hcg and HMG on hand? I will tell you right now at your size 400mg of deca is way overkill.
i want everyone who juices to know what they are doing and avoid mistakes. this is what EF is all about
This concerns me still, if you're only planning on eating like this on cycle you'll lose your gains if you stop eating the same off cycle.
Read this bro, it may help.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...-build-muscle-loose-fat-then-read-712503.html
Yes I will answer it. Against my better judgement. If you rotate injection sites that will not be an issue. You will be fine doing it like you listed. Other than the fact that if you don't have the proper ancillaries with Deca you will not like the end result. Howver strictly staying to your question you will not develop scar tissue as long as you are rotating each injection.
are you running anti-prolactin with your deca? are you running an AI? what is your PCT? do you have hcg and HMG on hand? I will tell you right now at your size 400mg of deca is way overkill.
Mate you need to answer Steve's questions. The answers to them are much more important than yours, multiple injects are only gonna cause more soreness. Nothing major but if your cycle support and PCT are poor you could end up with some nasty sides. If I read right and you're planning 2ml deca @ 200mg/ml and test at a similar dose you're lookin at 800mg per week! That's a shit load of juice especially if it's your first time.
Mate you need to answer Steve's questions. The answers to them are much more important than yours, multiple injects are only gonna cause more soreness. Nothing major but if your cycle support and PCT are poor you could end up with some nasty sides. If I read right and you're planning 2ml deca @ 200mg/ml and test at a similar dose you're lookin at 800mg per week! That's a shit load of juice especially if it's your first time.
Not only on this cycle, i aim for 3500 cals a day , while eating genuine good foods, the cycle consists of
week 1 :
1ml test e per week
200mg deca per week
week 2+3 :
2ml test
400 mg deca
(1 25g tab daily of proviron)
week 4:
2ml test
200 mg deca
10mg tab nolvadex daily
week 5:
2ml test
200mg deca
25g daily tab proviron
week 6:
2ml test
200mg deca
10mg nolvadex daily
week 7:
2ml test
200mg deca
25g daily tab proviron
week 8:
1ml test
200mg deca
10mg tab nolvadex daily
week 9 :
1 10mg tab nolvadex daily
week 10 : Nothing
week11: 2 50 mg tabs daily clomid
week 12 - 13 : 1 50 mg tab clomid daily
also taking milk thistle, multivits , cod liver oil, workout 5/7 days weekly with a strict 3500 cals a day diet
week 1 :
1ml test e per week
200mg deca per week
week 2+3 :
2ml test
400 mg deca
(1 25g tab daily of proviron)
week 4:
2ml test
200 mg deca
10mg tab nolvadex daily
week 5:
2ml test
200mg deca
25g daily tab proviron
week 6:
2ml test
200mg deca
10mg nolvadex daily
week 7:
2ml test
200mg deca
25g daily tab proviron
week 8:
1ml test
200mg deca
10mg tab nolvadex daily
week 9 :
1 10mg tab nolvadex daily
week 10 : Nothing
week11: 2 50 mg tabs daily clomid
week 12 - 13 : 1 50 mg tab clomid daily
also taking milk thistle, multivits , cod liver oil, workout 5/7 days weekly with a strict 3500 cals a day diet
^^^ where is your anti-prolactin?
also your nuts will be gone by week 5. you definately want to run something to keep them plump.
don't go into PCT with high prolactin and no nuts.
proviron is not a good enough AI. and nolva with deca is a no no although it will cripple your estrogen (not necessarily a good thing)
you are far better off with forma as an AI.
if you insist on deca might as well swap it out for NPP if its just 8 weeks. you won't even get peak levels till week 5 so its a waste running it just 8 weeks although maybe better this way so you don't ruin your libido
you are doing a lot of things wrong with this cycle but I fear you aren't gonna listen and go through with it the main problem being you just don't need steroids
also your nuts will be gone by week 5. you definately want to run something to keep them plump.
don't go into PCT with high prolactin and no nuts.
proviron is not a good enough AI. and nolva with deca is a no no although it will cripple your estrogen (not necessarily a good thing)
you are far better off with forma as an AI.
if you insist on deca might as well swap it out for NPP if its just 8 weeks. you won't even get peak levels till week 5 so its a waste running it just 8 weeks although maybe better this way so you don't ruin your libido
you are doing a lot of things wrong with this cycle but I fear you aren't gonna listen and go through with it the main problem being you just don't need steroids
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Dear God look at that mess of a PCT.
This is the cycle i had bought, so what do you suggest? can u tell me the negatives to my cycle? and what i need to do to improve it? shall i give the deca a miss on this cycle and just use the test? what is your expert opinion? also using two letter abbreviations is confusing me :S does every one use anti prolactin? i have not come across it yet ?
^^ re-read what i posted above what is wrong with it.
i laid it out well for you
no not everyone runs anti-prolactin which is why their dick stops working on tren or deca and their recovery is bad or they get gyno.
why did u decide to go with deca for a first cycle anyway and who is the person who suggested you stack it with nolva? I hope it wasn't anything you read on here.. just curious
i laid it out well for you
no not everyone runs anti-prolactin which is why their dick stops working on tren or deca and their recovery is bad or they get gyno.
why did u decide to go with deca for a first cycle anyway and who is the person who suggested you stack it with nolva? I hope it wasn't anything you read on here.. just curious
its nothing i read on here, its just the Beginner cycle i purchased , and im not being like obnoxious or arrogent, talking over the internet can be mis interpreted sometimes .
id like to know the worst case scenario, and why have they gave me a full cycle that hundreds have bought, how can they sell me it if it is not ok to do? especially for a beginner?
Doing this is the motivation and the real deal to me, i want continue bodybuilding (even just keeping fit) forever, also mentally i can stay focused on this and could use some support so i get the best gains and keep them if there is a PCT you could advise , and also HCG i have not the money for and wouldnt know where to get any, is this a MUST or generally speaking a comfort protocol ?
.id like to know the worst case scenario, and why have they gave me a full cycle that hundreds have bought, how can they sell me it if it is not ok to do? especially for a beginner?
Doing this is the motivation and the real deal to me, i want continue bodybuilding (even just keeping fit) forever, also mentally i can stay focused on this and could use some support so i get the best gains and keep them
if there is a PCT you could advise , and also HCG i have not the money for and wouldnt know where to get any, is this a MUST or generally speaking a comfort protocol ?
^^^ yes you will need hcg unless you want a tough recovery. re-read what i wrote for you earlier. PCT read the pct sticky up top.
sit back and learn for a while and do things right.
no idea why they gave you deca for a first cycle. probably the same reason if you google "deca libido problems" you get thousands of hits. and no running test with it won't do shit for you cause when you come off and your androgens leave your body you will be left with elevated estrogen and progesterone. that is gonna cause major ED problems.
deca is great AAS but its shitty for a newb and if you want recovery, if you want a nandro atleast go with NPP. same shit and it won't linger in the body for weeks like deca will
and if you don't hvae money for anti-prolactin or hcg then don't bother juicing period
sit back and learn for a while and do things right.
no idea why they gave you deca for a first cycle. probably the same reason if you google "deca libido problems" you get thousands of hits. and no running test with it won't do shit for you cause when you come off and your androgens leave your body you will be left with elevated estrogen and progesterone. that is gonna cause major ED problems.
deca is great AAS but its shitty for a newb and if you want recovery, if you want a nandro atleast go with NPP. same shit and it won't linger in the body for weeks like deca will
and if you don't hvae money for anti-prolactin or hcg then don't bother juicing period
thanks for replying steve, i like the points you've made and i read that PCT sticky, i found some things people say to use, including Prima and 6oxo ?also should i cut out the deca in this cycle? and just hit 2ml week of test E ? then would it be ok to just have the deca for my next cycle? (deca on its own, with other variables i.e Pct procedures .. .) Where can i get HCG any links? i can get anti prolactin im sure you can get it from a pharmacy in the uk ?
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