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SoreArms

SoreArms

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I am going to be making MRP's out of whey and maltodextrim. Adding fat and/or fiber should slow the absorbtion of both way down. The question is, how much of it to add? I will be using about 35g protein and 40g carbs.

I am thinking of using flax seed meal since it has both fat and fiber, otherwise flax oil and psyllium husk.

I had been using oat bran for the carbs but its abit too filling and it puts my fiber intake through the roof.

Any suggestions on using something other than maltodextrim?
 
ohashi said:
Don't use maltodextrin in your MRPs, for god's sakes! Insulin spikes with every meal... ouch.
Use oats instead.
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SoreArms said:
I had been using oat bran for the carbs but its abit too filling and it puts my fiber intake through the roof.
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SoreArms said:
Adding fat and/or fiber should slow the absorbtion of both way down.
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This should take care of the insulin spike. You don't think so?
 
doesn't matter what you add. the whey will still be absorbed exetremly fast.

adding stuff will just make absorbtion of the ENTIRE meal longer, not the individual ingrediants
 
ChewYxRage said:
doesn't matter what you add. the whey will still be absorbed exetremly fast.
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Don't hink so bud, adding fiber to whey makes it comparable to casseinate (in absorbtion/digestion time). Adding fat to a high GI carb like maltodextrim, will slow it's abosorbtion time down making it comparable to a moderate GI carb (as if I ate brown rice). Also, most commercially available MRP's (like EAS, which a lot of people tend to like) use dextrose or maltodextrim as a carb source.
 
that's what I thought too.

but bulldog10 explained it to me different and it sounded correct (and he sounds like he knows what he's talkin 'bout)

either way i guess :D
 
It depends on WHEN you want to take than MRP

Postworkout : use maltodextrin + dextrose

Any other time : I'd rather go with smaller GI carbs like oats, oat fiber, wheat fiber (what's wrong with a lot of fiber ???) or oat/wheat/rice cream (moderate GI and less fiber) + good fats (flax seed, walnut/canola/olive oil)
 
Bran or oatmeal fiber will not save you from an insulin spike caused by maltodextrin. It will lower the severity, but it will still be much, much more than what you would want.
 
Need more input here.

Not implying that you guys are wrong, but over time I have read and heard alot about fiber slowing down the absorbtion rate of whey and fat slowing down the absorbtion rate of maltodextrim/dextrose. This is the first time I read otherwise. Give me more info please.
 
SoreArms said:
Need more input here.

Not implying that you guys are wrong, but over time I have read and heard alot about fiber slowing down the absorbtion rate of whey and fat slowing down the absorbtion rate of maltodextrim/dextrose. This is the first time I read otherwise. Give me more info please.
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IMHO, adding fiber will slow down the absorbtion rate of the WHOLE MRP
 
SoreArms said:
So, would it give me my desired results?
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What do you want exactly ?

a slow digesting MRP ?
Then I'd rather use another carb with a smaller GI
 
JKurz1 said:
why do we keep ^ this thread?????????
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'cause we needs more info maing!

I'm still not satisfied with whats been said here (no offense to anyone who has contributed to the thread), I have yet to find anything on the subject telling me what you guys are saying. Like I said, everything I've read tells me what I've already stated. Can you guys post more info or some links?

Thanks.
 
Unless this is PWO, I don't see the importance of malto/dextrose (other high GI carb) in this. Yes, you can add fiber and EFA's to slow it down. I will try to dig up some studies. I'm still a fan of oats with a protein blend and EFA's as a MRP

Malto is often used due to it's CHO source (though it high GI) and cheapness to produce
 
ChewYxRage said:
no we need a definitive answer
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1] No high GI (malto) except after the WO

2] fiber will decrease the overall GI

3] Except for the post WO shake/meal use oats instead of malto

4] fiber are always welcomed, except post WO

5] The thread is pointless w/o nakked hot chicks

:)
 
Anthrax said:
1] No high GI (malto) except after the WO

2] fiber will decrease the overall GI

3] Except for the post WO shake/meal use oats instead of malto

4] fiber are always welcomed, except post WO

5] The thread is pointless w/o nakked hot chicks

:)
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no no no, not about the carbs & fiber, about the whey!!

does adding fat and fiber to a shake SLOW DOWN the absorption of whey protein in your body? Or does it still absorb at the same quick rate as if you ate it with dextrose??
 
Bran987 said:
does adding fat and fiber to a shake SLOW DOWN the absorption of whey protein in your body?
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I think so
 
SoreArms said:
thats not going to cut it, we need definate answers!
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If fiber slows down the absorption of any carb (I think everybody agree with that)
why wouldn't fiber also slow down the absorption of whey ?
 
Some of you guys are oversimplifying the already simple concept of digestion vs. absortion. Digestion rates are pretty much constant for most foods. Foods/nutrients are not absorbed in the stomach - they are digested there. Absorption occurs in your intestines. If you want quicker absorption, you want quick gastric empyting. Fat, fiber, and overall amount of food slows down gastric emptying. Osmolarity of total solution also plays a role in gastric emptying rate.

Is that simple enough?
 
ohashi said:
Some of you guys are oversimplifying the already simple concept of digestion vs. absortion. Digestion rates are pretty much constant for most foods. Foods/nutrients are not absorbed in the stomach - they are digested there. Absorption occurs in your intestines. If you want quicker absorption, you want quick gastric empyting. Fat, fiber, and overall amount of food slows down gastric emptying. Osmolarity of total solution also plays a role in gastric emptying rate.

Is that simple enough?
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what?

Mr. Bill Nye
 
What EXACTLY do you want to know? It's really simple bro....stay away from MRPs except maybe post workout..............kapeesh?
 
SoreArms said:
the question (now) is whether adding fiber and/or fat will slow down the absorbtion rate of whey
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yes, thank you! same question as post #25 of this thread
that's what we need to figure out.
 
ARGH!!!!!!!

It will slow down gastric emptying, so it will take longer for the amino acids to hit your blood stream. I just explained it!
 
ohashi said:
ARGH!!!!!!!

It will slow down gastric emptying, so it will take longer for the amino acids to hit your blood stream. I just explained it!
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so does it make it comparable to caseinate?
 
Both will slow down gatric emptying (casein curds in the stomach). I don't have exact rates because it differs with amounts, but both are viable ways to slow down the release of aminos (one shouldn't provide significantly different results from another).
 
NO! they are complete different species, different macros, different chemical make-up, different nutirent values...............one is not a substitue for the other...........END OF STORY.........
 
ohashi said:
Both will slow down gatric emptying (casein curds in the stomach). I don't have exact rates because it differs with amounts, but both are viable ways to slow down the release of aminos (one shouldn't provide significantly different results from another).
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Hey, adding fiber fats or whatever is NOT going t change the nutrient profile.....the way "whey" is made compared to caseinate are like comparing apples and oranges.........will it slow down gastric emptying? Yes? Will it change the profile? NO!
 
Who's talking about a nutrient profile? And what do you mean adding fats won't change the nutrient profile?

Fats added = nutrient profile of meal changed.
 
SoreArms said:
so does it make it comparable to caseinate?
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If your question is whether whey+fiber+fat "makes" a slowly absorbed protein shake for pre-bed purpose the answer is YES
 
Anthrax said:
If your question is whether whey+fiber+fat "makes" a slowly absorbed protein shake for pre-bed purpose the answer is YES
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yes that IS our question, so everyone agrees this is accurate?
 
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