Mr. X :)

[JoNaThAnPeTeRs]

i read your bulking diet...and i have a few concerns and questions that maybe u can help tailor a diet around my needs for my upandcoming mass cycle..

ill be doing 10 weeks of a gram of test, 600mgs deca, and 5 weeks of abombs and maybe even the last 5 weeks of dbol...

the diet i was going to use was going to be kinda different than urs, it is to my understanding that the pros, and many others when trying to add size do not go over even 1 gram of protein per lb of bodyweight, 1.5 grams tops....the carb levels go through the roof, sometimes over 3 grams per pound of bodyweight....
i myself weigh around 270, so i was going to start at 700 grams of carbs and see how that is with a little over 300 grams of protein.....what are your thoughts? i see u want 1.5 carbs and 2 protein, in terms of grams per pound of bodyweight....when bulking though i was always told to up the carbs and the protein to stay moderate...

thanks, look forward to ur response...

 

[Mr.X]

i read your bulking diet...and i have a few concerns and questions that maybe u can help tailor a diet around my needs for my upandcoming mass cycle..

ill be doing 10 weeks of a gram of test, 600mgs deca, and 5 weeks of abombs and maybe even the last 5 weeks of dbol...

the diet i was going to use was going to be kinda different than urs, it is to my understanding that the pros, and many others when trying to add size do not go over even 1 gram of protein per lb of bodyweight, 1.5 grams tops....the carb levels go through the roof, sometimes over 3 grams per pound of bodyweight....
i myself weigh around 270, so i was going to start at 700 grams of carbs and see how that is with a little over 300 grams of protein.....what are your thoughts? i see u want 1.5 carbs and 2 protein, in terms of grams per pound of bodyweight....when bulking though i was always told to up the carbs and the protein to stay moderate...

thanks, look forward to ur response...

1) I'd like to comment on your cycle, although feasible, I do not see anti-estrogens in it...are they present?

2)Is your theory based on facts? because protein/-amino acids are the bulding blocks for muscle, so how would they need to be kept at low leves? You need to rethink many factors, at 700g carbs, the insuline response will be tremendeous; thus, I see your insulin sensitivity decreasing just reading this. Decreased insulin sensitivity =less muscle gains/more fat gains......
Low protein=low muscle gains, it's a given

Mr.X

 

[JoNaThAnPeTeRs]

thanks for the response....of course i am using anti e's, femara to be exact....everyday....so my cycle isnt a concern....

i just came over to this part of the boards for your help on diet advice....after extensive discussion with various people and also i have been to many guest appearances of the pros, mainly jay cutler, hes a good guy to me, i have come to the conclusion, which u are saying is wrong, and i dont doubt u, is that i have been told to, in off season...high carbs.....such as 700 grams or more based on my weight...is the way to go....and protein should be moderate...i.e. 1gram or a little more per pound of bodyweight......with fats filling in the rest....even in cutlers video he goes over his diet extensively and states he takes in 300 grams of protein or a little more....give or take.....700-1000 grams of carbs....all in the off season....and in season he cycles high/medium/low carb days and adjusts protein accordingly..on low carb days he takes in 600 grams of protein, medium days he takes in 400, low days 300...that is on his cutting phase though....

why would they do this when its as bad as u say it is? im just curious...i dont know the science behind this at all, just know what i am told....

 

[JoNaThAnPeTeRs]

so based on your diet, mr X, the bulker 2....and based on my cycle....this is what u would tell a fellow iron brutha to do....correct me if i am wrong...

i weigh 250 lbs, and im gonna train 5 outta 7 days....

so the 5 i train ill eat 5000 calories, broken up into 500 grams of protein...375 grams of carbs...and around 163 grams pf fat...

the 2 i am off i would eat 2500 calories....broken up into 208 grams of protein and carbs, and 92.5 grams of fat....

for some reason, when im weighing up around and over 250 pounds, and not eating over 400 grams of carbs, that doesnt sound right to me....am i wrong for thinking that way??

why would pros say what they say if it is incorrect.....just curious....i know you go by the amount of calories, but doesnt the kind of calories matter?

 

[JoNaThAnPeTeRs]

and....in case it helps im an endo/meso....

 

[Mr.X]

i'll just pass on answering this further, what's the point of me trying to help? Your quote: "you are wrong!"

hahahaha, ok, we'll see when you're done w/ the diet....if you tell me the pro's take 1 g protein/lb bodyweight, you have another thing coming, it's like saying all the pro's are natural.

Mr.X

 

[JoNaThAnPeTeRs]

i'll just pass on answering this further, what's the point of me trying to help? Your quote: "you are wrong!"

hahahaha, ok, we'll see when you're done w/ the diet....if you tell me the pro's take 1 g protein/lb bodyweight, you have another thing coming, it's like saying all the pro's are natural.

Mr.X

bro, i think u are taking me totally wrong, i was saying I am most likely wrong, and that is why i am asking your help....i know that i am a novice in dieting and that is why i am consulting you...after u help me with my diet i will follow it 100%, so please bro, i dont mean any disrespect whatsoever, i was saying i dont understand why people tell me the other way around, that carbs are the way to go....i started this thread because i was under the impression that u were the man to go to for a solid diet, and i am not saying u are wrong at alllllllll, trust me, it just seems the more i hear and learn the more there is to learn, and the more i get confused, just like with what u are telling me, if i didnt post this and get ur help i would have started my cycle and dieted high carbs and moderate protein, which u are saying would have been poop......so please bro, i didnt mean what u thought i meant at all....im just in need of ur expert help...thats all.....hope that cleared it up bro

 

[JoNaThAnPeTeRs]

up we go........

 

[Mr.X]

i just came over to this part of the boards for your help on diet advice....after extensive discussion with various people and also i have been to many guest appearances of the pros, mainly jay cutler, hes a good guy to me, i have come to the conclusion, which u are saying is wrong, and i dont doubt u, is that i have been told to, in off season...

Interesting, so I am not wrong. Ok, what's the science, well I think you should ask Mr.Jay Cutler for his scientific proof, I'll bet he's going to forget to mention the 20IU's of GH/day and about 5g test a week that he uses. Nevertheless, I can explain my part. Read my Bulking manuals and I explain in them most of what I would write here.

Protein, Amino Acids, are bulding blocks for muscle, think of a protein as a brick for a building. Can one build a 100 story brick building with 300 brick, of course NOT. Same thing goes for a person, can you building yourself out to a better fram and a much more musculature physique w/o a lot of protein, of course NOT. Read my manuals for the breakdowns.

Mr.X
www.mesomorph.net

 

[JoNaThAnPeTeRs]

Interesting, so I am not wrong. Ok, what's the science, well I think you should ask Mr.Jay Cutler for his scientific proof, I'll bet he's going to forget to mention the 20IU's of GH/day and about 5g test a week that he uses. Nevertheless, I can explain my part. Read my Bulking manuals and I explain in them most of what I would write here.

Protein, Amino Acids, are bulding blocks for muscle, think of a protein as a brick for a building. Can one build a 100 story brick building with 300 brick, of course NOT. Same thing goes for a person, can you building yourself out to a better fram and a much more musculature physique w/o a lot of protein, of course NOT. Read my manuals for the breakdowns.

Mr.X
www.mesomorph.net

thanks for the reply, i have read both bulking articles too many times to count, i just have some questions...

i like ur idea of low cals on the non training days, but based on me being an endomorph, and doing 10 weeks of 1200mgs of test, 600mgs of deca, and dbol for 5 and abombs for 5...with FEMARA....., taking in only 1.5 grams of carbs doesnt seem enough when bulking.....wouldnt over 2 grams per lb make more sense when trying to add mass?

thanks

 

[Mr.X]

thanks for the reply, i have read both bulking articles too many times to count, i just have some questions...

i like ur idea of low cals on the non training days, but based on me being an endomorph, and doing 10 weeks of 1200mgs of test, 600mgs of deca, and dbol for 5 and abombs for 5...with FEMARA....., taking in only 1.5 grams of carbs doesnt seem enough when bulking.....wouldnt over 2 grams per lb make more sense when trying to add mass?

thanks

My friend, let's do this...try 2g/lb. w/ the respect to carbs, if you are seeing a significant fat gain, then switch to 1.5g, as you know everyone works differently.

Mr.X

 

[JoNaThAnPeTeRs]

My friend, let's do this...try 2g/lb. w/ the respect to carbs, if you are seeing a significant fat gain, then switch to 1.5g, as you know everyone works differently.

Mr.X

will do, just because i love you, when i start this(week tops), i will let you know the results, in terms of weight gain and bfat gain....

thanks again....if one didnt follow the idea of 10 calories per lb of bweight on non training days and kept it steady throughout, would more mass be added...i assume the answer is yes, but more fat would be added as well......