Mr.X can you help me out with a gyno reduction stack please?

[Prop2]

Hi Mr.X, i was wondering if you could help me out with a gyno reduction stack. I got mild gyno from using Propecia for over 1 year. Basically i have this tissue i gained in my pecks but its not hard. I have one little hard lump near my armpit and its the size of a small pea. My pecks used to be flat and tight and now they are loose like a womans breast. When i flex my pecks are hard but when loose they droop and it seems like i gained more tissue. I started to take Soy Isoflavanone pills and they made me get a pain in my left nipple when i touched them so i stopped. The gland is a bit bigger under my left nipple than in my right nipple and my nipple's stick out just a little bit more than normal. I can actually see and feel and move the fatty tissue for a few seconds when i twist my pecks then flex right after. So i guess its a combination of diffuse tissue and gland tissue. Its not full blown gyno its mild so i want to kill it asap. I read that Letro and Nolva are good to run but i dont know the dosages and cycle duration for each. I also dont know how i should taper off so i dont get a nasty rebound effect because i read that Nolva and Letro have a big rebound. I want to switch to Dutasteride for hairloss because Propecia didnt work that well for me and i was wondering if i can still take Dutasteride to protect my hair while on a gyno reduction stack? My stats are 5'8 and a half inches, 160 pounds.


I read you say that 1.25mgs of letrozole + 40mgs nolvadex is good for gyno reduction but how long would i stay on those doses and how would i taper off of each drug so i dont get a estrogen rebound giving me more gyno? Can i use Dutasteride to block DHT to protect my hair at the same time?


If you could help me out i would greatly appreciated it. Thanks!

 

[Prop2]

Hi Mr.X, i sent you a pm.Thank You!

 

[JoNeS]

Hi Mr.X, i was wondering if you could help me out with a gyno reduction stack. I got mild gyno from using Propecia for over 1 year. Basically i have this tissue i gained in my pecks but its not hard. I have one little hard lump near my armpit and its the size of a small pea. My pecks used to be flat and tight and now they are loose like a womans breast. When i flex my pecks are hard but when loose they droop and it seems like i gained more tissue. I started to take Soy Isoflavanone pills and they made me get a pain in my left nipple when i touched them so i stopped. The gland is a bit bigger under my left nipple than in my right nipple and my nipple's stick out just a little bit more than normal. I can actually see and feel and move the fatty tissue for a few seconds when i twist my pecks then flex right after. So i guess its a combination of diffuse tissue and gland tissue. Its not full blown gyno its mild so i want to kill it asap. I read that Letro and Nolva are good to run but i dont know the dosages and cycle duration for each. I also dont know how i should taper off so i dont get a nasty rebound effect because i read that Nolva and Letro have a big rebound. I want to switch to Dutasteride for hairloss because Propecia didnt work that well for me and i was wondering if i can still take Dutasteride to protect my hair while on a gyno reduction stack? My stats are 5'8 and a half inches, 160 pounds.


I read you say that 1.25mgs of letrozole + 40mgs nolvadex is good for gyno reduction but how long would i stay on those doses and how would i taper off of each drug so i dont get a estrogen rebound giving me more gyno? Can i use Dutasteride to block DHT to protect my hair at the same time?


If you could help me out i would greatly appreciated it. Thanks!

You can get Gyno from using Propecia!!!!! Someone explain this to me plez

 

[Prop2]

Yes because it inhibits around 80% type 2 DHT so you get an increase in testosterone aswell as estradiol. Its mild but i want to kill it asap. I hate looking at my chest.

 

[Ulter]

Just use the letrozole and skip the nolva at first.

 

[JoNeS]

This is concerning to me. The only gear i've used is EQ, Test, Deca, Var, winny, and proviron.

I haven't touched Test or Deca in 3 years. And my last cycle which was a lean bulker / cutter was EQ / Var / Winny.

I got alot leaner, however my *slight case of adolecent gyno got alot more noticeable.

Either I'm super sensitive to EQ, or the Liquid Finasteride caused it.

What's the deal? Is it just more noticeable because I'm leaner? (approx 9%bf).

Come to think of it, i'm not 100%, but i think I start'd noticing my gyno more when i switched from oral propecia to the cheaper liquid finasteride.

 

[Prop2]

Ulter, what dose of Letro would i start off with and how would i taper off to avoid the big rebound? Also does Letro shrink the hard tissue or get rid of the fatty or soft breast tissue? Its definetly mixed in with my muscles. If i did want to use Nolva too how long would i stay on 40mg and how would i taper off over time? I just want to really eliminate this problem at full force asap. Also can i use Dutasteride at the same time to prevent MPB? Thanks!

 

[Mr.X]

1) why were you taking Soy Isoflavanone pills ???

2) what's your cycle like now?

 

[Prop2]

Mr.X, i never took a cycle or anything in my life. I never even really worked out i had good genetics as i was naturally lean and muscular. I took Propecia for over 1 year to battle hairloss and prior to that i took Saw Palmetto for 3 months to battle hairloss. I noticed that my flat, tight pecks seemed to grow bigger and get loose. When i started Propecia i dropped Saw Palmetto. So 1 year later on Propecia i developed mild gyno which mostly consists of soft breast tissue and some hard gland and fatty stringy like tissue. The reason i took Soy Isoflavone pills is because i read it was supposed to help keep estrogen at bay but after taking them for over 1 week my left nipple hurt to touch and the natural gland we all have under the nipple got a bit bigger.


Im interested in going on the Letro 1.25mg + Nolva 40mg per day. What im scared about is i dont know how to taper off both of these drugs so i dont get a massive rebound effect causing me worse gyno. I really want to kill this asap as its in the early stages and im scared to wait around. Also i want to switch to Dutasteride for hairloss because Propecia didnt work as well as i hoped. Can i use Dutasterie to protect my hair while i run Letro + Nolva to blast this gyno or would it not be effective since Dutasteride lowers DHT by like 90%? My current stats are 5'8 and a half inches tall and 160 pounds and i've always been able to stay pretty lean naturally.


If you could help me out when you get a chance i would greatly appreciate it as i want to by some of these products in the liquid form asap. Thanks!

 

[macrophage69alpha]

nolva is self tapering with a nearly 2 week half life (with extended use- after 3 weeks)

soy isoflavones are mixed ER agonists/antagonists, they can cause gyno.

DHT inhibits breast tissue growth (AR regulations of ER activity/expression), taking finasteride can cause gyno as can dutasteride.

start with letro, though you can stack letro and nolva if you choose (its better to start with an AI- JMHO)

 

[Prop2]

macrophage69alpha, thanks for the reply i appreciate the help. I know i sound like a broken record but i would really like to add nolva right away just to be sure as i dont want to take any chances. Ive read that nolva can cause a rebound on many sites and same with letro. Just to be safe how should i taper off of both drugs once my mild gyno is gone? Also could i stay on Dutasteride the whole time? I plan on using the following natural supplements in the future to prevent the gyno symptoms from coming back once i get rid of the gyno and continue on Dutasteride without the letro and nolva.

Flax Lignans
DIM
Curcumin
Indole-3-Carbinol
Green Tea Extract
Supra Miraforte with Chrysin
Dabdelion Root

Is there anything else natural that would help lower estradiol? I cant use any type of andro or DHT as it will kill my hair. Also would using Yohimburn ES on my chest help?

I forgot to mention that when my left nipple hurt a few days ago i tried squeezing it and a very little amount of this white liquid came out. It was very little and i really had to squeeze to get it out. Thanks !

 

[macrophage69alpha]

flax lignans are OK, would for go them for the time being

drop everything but the green tea extract- which you can use now and after.

letro and nolva is fine. if you are worried aboutr rebound run aromasin or AIFM at the end.

if you have ON GOING oestrogen issues low dose use of a suicidal AI like aromasin or AIFM is fine for extended periods. (LOW DOSE)

yohimburn ES will help with fatty tissue around the pec and nipple.

since you have prolactin issues (white fluid from nipples)-- you might want to consider going without the nolva at first (see how things resolve with the letro)

 

[Prop2]

macrophage69alpha, thanks for the help. Yeah it seemed like only when i used the Soy Isoflavanone's my leftf nipple hurt and the natural gland we all have actually got a bit bigger. Would Letro shrink it to normal levels and get rid of soft breast tissue or the fatty diffuse stringy tissue? I only noticed like 1 tiny drop of that white fluid and i cant seem to squeeze anymore out. So i'll start off with Letro at 1.25mg per day and continue it for how long?

What is AIFM? Can you give me the full name please? And what low dose would be safe to take in the long term to control estrogen while on Dutasteride? Also could i still use Dutasteride for hairloss while using Letro or would this make the letro not effective at getting rid of the gyno?


As for the natural supplements do you recommend dropping everything but green tea while im on Letro and when im off letro i can use them? They are supposed to help reduce aromatization from test to estradiol and convert the bad estrogens to good estrogens and cause an increase in free test. I can past some info about them if you aren't familiar with them. Thanks!

 

[Prop2]

macrophage69alpha and/or Mr.X, i have a few more questions please.

1. Would 2 months on 1.25 Liquid Letro and 40mg Liquid Nolve be too long or too short to get rid of my mild gyno?

2. Can i use Dutasteride aswell at the same time as my gyno reduction cycle to prevent further hairloss? I plan on staying on Dutasteride untill HM comes out.

3. Would i add aromasin or AIFM about 2 weeks before i finish my Letro & Nolva cycle to prevent a rebound? How long would i stay on Aromasin or AIFM post Letro & Nolva cycle to ensure no rebound happens? What would be the dose i take of Aromasin or AIFM? What is the full name for AIFM as im really new to this stuff and i have no clue on what it is and its not showing up in a goggle search.

4. After im finished the Letro and Nolva cycle and i continue on Dutasteride would i be able to take the following natural supplemets to keep estrogen to a minimum? Would they actually work? I want to keep Estradiol low while keeping the good estrogen at a normal level. I want to keep a lean and hard body while on Dutasteride.

Flax Lignans
DIM
Curcumin
Indole-3-Carbinol
Green Tea Extract
Supra Miraforte with Chrysin

5. Or would you go with a low dose of aromasin or AIFM while on Dutasteride to keep estrogen at a normal level? Realistically Hair Multiplication wont be available and perfected for another 5 years ( i follow the hairloss forums) so i would be on Dutasteride for about another 5 years or so. Would a low dose of aromasin or AIFM be safe to take for this period of time or would the naturals be a better choice?

6. Could Propecia cause progesterone type gyno that nolva would make it worse? Mabye i should just start on Letro just to be safe? I just want to decrease the size of the regular gland we all have under my nipple and get rid of the stringy tissue diffused in my muscles. I have some water retention in them aswell and a very tiny lump near my armpit that has stayed the same for a while. If Propecia cannot cause pregesterone type gyno them i want to start with Letro + Nolva to really kill this shit asap.


Sorry for all the questions its just i dont know anything about this stuff, i want to get rid of this mild gyno and i want to keep my hair as its really important to me and my career. If you could walk me though this exactly so i get the solid plan going i would really appreciate it. Thanks!

 

[Prop2]

macrophage69alpha? Mr.X?

 

[Mr.X]

Would 2 months on 1.25 Liquid Letro and 40mg Liquid Nolve be too long or too short to get rid of my mild gyno?

It's not a matter of exactly how many weeks or months. You should try the combo for 6-8 weeks to see if he helps with gyno reduction.

Keep in mind some people run Nolva for 6 months to get rid of gyno. Letrozole just help with the situation.


If it's prolactin gyno, letrozle alone will be in order, along with some bromo or dostinex. You're not going to know for sure what works until you try it.

 

[Prop2]

Okay thanks Mr.X, okay just some last questions please if you dont mind.

Im going to go on the Letro 1.25mg + Nolva 40mg per day untill the issue resolves. Now once it resolves i'll spend 2 weeks tapering off of the Letro & Nolva and i'll add either aromasin or AIFM to ensure i dont get a rebound effect. Now which one should i take Aromasin or AIFM? What would the dose be and how long would i stay on it post Letro + Nolva cycle to ensure no estrogen rebound?


I dont think Propecia induced gyno would be a prolactin issue because it raises testosterone and estradiol so its most likely caused by extra estradiol. What do you think? If you could help me out with this last question as soon as you get a chance that would be greatly appreciated as i dont wanna screw this up and i want to attack this problem asap. Thank You!


P.S. - the little tiny lump i have between my left nipple and armpit is a normal place for gyno to happen? Some other dude told me that a lump only forms under the nipple but i have a small pea sized lump between my nipple and armpit. My Doc said it was fatty tissue but i think he's an idiot. Is this normal?

 

[Prop2]

Bump

 

[macrophage69alpha]

P.S. - the little tiny lump i have between my left nipple and armpit is a normal place for gyno to happen? Some other dude told me that a lump only forms under the nipple but i have a small pea sized lump between my nipple and armpit. My Doc said it was fatty tissue but i think he's an idiot. Is this normal?

this could be a nodule of breast tissue (which spread out in fibrous tendrils from the nipple) or it could just be a fatty cyst. (they are not exactly normal, but they are not uncommon)