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Mr. Universe arrested for cops stupidity
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shitty...
It figures a security guard started it all.
Stryker1992
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MTS said:
What a bunch of fucking bullshit. They got what they deserved. Leave the poor bastard alone. Being diabteic and going hypoglycemic is no bullshit and can cause major health issues. It also alters a persons stated of mind due to the brain not receiving enough nutrtion.
Cops are such cocksuckers and security guards should be thrown to the bottom of hell!
A fucking cinema security guard, you have got to be kidding me. Lets all go there and beat the fuck out of the guy!
trowsersnake98
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according the report it still took four of them to take him down lol. and he had low blood sugar.KD1 said:
Inhibitor13
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They still charged him is what pisses me off !!! Like said above, cops just wanna start shit especially when its a big guy. Its tough being bigger above average guys. You have guys that wanna start shit with you everytime you go to a club/bar or cops who think they are a bunch of badasses so they attack you to prove that point. It just goes on and on...anywhere from people hating you just cuz your a big guy/ jelousy to everytime I get mad its roid rage. It can be retardedly tough at times.
Inhibitor13
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youngguns said:
As in they are human as we are human. True cuz we are all human, we make mistakes... but when the cops made a mistake in this scenerio they didnt correct it. They charged him anyways regardless of the mans situation and mental state.
Stryker1992
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Inhibitor13 said:
Cops are trained to be held at a higher standards than the rest of us. They have a lot of power that can be abused, remember that young.
DannoMight
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unfrotunately there are some cops with major mental complexes who prey on htese types just to feel superior after being picked on and slapped around when they were younger.
Inhibitor13
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dannomight said:
Exactly !!! At least for the most part. I know a few good bro's on the force. But most of them are abusing their power all the time. Nothing we (the general public) can say or do to stop it either.
Pat_McCrotch
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youngguns said:
WTF?!?!?! Does this mean?!?!?!?!?! are you having a hypoglycemic reaction?
Powerbuilder333
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They cops could have killed the guy by delaying medical attention.
juniorsamples
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Powerbuilder333 said:
Anyone remember Mohammad Benezzia, He was a great Pro in the late 80's and early 90's. He died in his Hotel room suffering from the same thing.
Powerbuilder333
Timeout? No, timeouts are for Plats
I think Lasix induced dehydration is what killed him. But yes, somethings require immediate medical intervention or death is the result.juniorsamples said:
MTS
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it reminds me of how untrained some of these law enforcers are, considering they killed a 14 year old boy in boot camp by suffocating him with ammonia caps for 20 some minutes.
the kid had a medical condition and didnt have enough energy to run
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzDeSrqeOA0
the kid had a medical condition and didnt have enough energy to run
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzDeSrqeOA0
Powerbuilder333 said:
I read in some bodybuilding magazine back then when the paramedics showed up and stuck an IV in him his blood was all thick like tomato sauce it had so little water in it.
Supposedly he was all puking and foaming at the mouth, going into convulsions and shit - ugly scene.
ProtienFiend
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Powerbuilder333 said:
Agreed. And you know, sure as shit, that they weren't going to come to the scene with a candy bar for him.
bigjd69
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Put yourself in those cops shoes. They get a call that a large male is acting disorderly and beligerant. When they get there they find this Neanderthal man acting strange he then lunges at them. What would you guys do? Let the guy kick your ass. Ain't nobody kicking my ass. I bet my house the charges will get dropped in court.
DannoMight
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the guy was going hypo and wanted some sugar so they maced him then wrestled him to the ground. I never heard of a drunk demanding candy before. Or getting maced for it. Plus if someone is beligerantly drunk youd smell the booze seeping out of his pores just being near him.
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MTS said:
thats horrible.
Powerbuilder333
Timeout? No, timeouts are for Plats
So simple, so logical, and so far beyond the capacity of the majority of America's peace officers.MTS said:
SanFrancisco
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I'm really surprised at your responses. Give me a break. The guy started fighting the cops, a big dude. What do you expect for 70K a year? My exerience is that cops know what's up and can size up (thin slice) the criminals pretty quickly.
blut wump
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Very few here believe for a moment that he started fighting the cops or that, if he did, he was strongly provoked by their aggressive behaviour into feeling that he had a need to defend himself.SanFrancisco said:
What do we expect for $70K per year? We expect better than this. We also expect them to be able to tell the difference between a drunken bum and a hypoglycemic in need of sugar. Part of their job is to protect the public. Well, this guy was part of the public, one weakened and in need of help, so they beat him up. As I said, we expect better.
partagus
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After reading this, I wanted to make several comments. I have worked in Law Enforcement and I want to give you my take on this. First off, why are at least four police officers responding to a call of a drunk guy at a movie theater? In Vegas, when I worked there, we probably wouldn't have even sent one person. That call would have been so far down on our priority list that it would barely register. It's obvious to me that whom ever called the PD embellished the situation to get that type of turn out (Maybe made mention of a big huge drunk guy going off on roid rage?)
Second, and I quote:
"When officers arrived, Burns allegedly lunged at one of them, pushing him to the ground with both hands, and took a fighting stance, Cessina said. Burns continued being combative until four officers wrestled him down, the captain said."
So, out of the blue, the police pull up and he just "LUNGES" at them for no reason. After he lunged at them, he took "a fighting stance". Again, the police thought they were coming to a combative dangerous call and when they got there, they saw a big guy and didn't TAKE THE TIME TO ACCESS the situation and JUST reacted.
After the scene was secure, they figured out what had happend (medical condition, low blood sugar, medical alert bracelet, minor/major celebrity involved) and they had to cover their ass. This looks real ugly, the police attacking a body builder for low blood sugar so they added in to their report the "fighting stance" bullshit to cover themselves. Thinking back to some of the reports that I have written, I may have used that same sentance a time or two.
It's a shitty thing for everyone involved and it's sad that it happend.
Second, and I quote:
"When officers arrived, Burns allegedly lunged at one of them, pushing him to the ground with both hands, and took a fighting stance, Cessina said. Burns continued being combative until four officers wrestled him down, the captain said."
So, out of the blue, the police pull up and he just "LUNGES" at them for no reason. After he lunged at them, he took "a fighting stance". Again, the police thought they were coming to a combative dangerous call and when they got there, they saw a big guy and didn't TAKE THE TIME TO ACCESS the situation and JUST reacted.
After the scene was secure, they figured out what had happend (medical condition, low blood sugar, medical alert bracelet, minor/major celebrity involved) and they had to cover their ass. This looks real ugly, the police attacking a body builder for low blood sugar so they added in to their report the "fighting stance" bullshit to cover themselves. Thinking back to some of the reports that I have written, I may have used that same sentance a time or two.
It's a shitty thing for everyone involved and it's sad that it happend.
BigCracker
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I probably hate about 90% of the cops I know. After all, they were the guys I decapitated during dodge ball in high school gym class(which probably resulted in them wanting to become cops gun+badge+10wks training=macho man). The other 10% give me a heads up when the gym is being investigated for drug sales, etc. and are pretty cool(in other words, they probably shouldn't be cops). I actually know a couple cops that either lurk or post here regularly. They're juicers themselves, but nobody knows that they're cops besides me. Anyway, one thing I've learned in my many years on this rock is that fighting cops and resisting arrest will do you no good. My friend was 5ft 8 300 lbs under 10% bf. He was waiting for a ride standing outside a convenience store. A couple idiots told the owner he was scary looking, so the owner told him to leave. Being a tough guy @ 300 lbs he told the pencilneck store owner to fuck off. Next thing ya know 2 cops show up and ask him to leave. My friend was an asshole to the cops(both under 200lbs) and told them he wasn't doing anything wrong and to fuck off as well. Next thing ya know they decide to arrest him(probably a trophy hunt like someone mentioned earlier). When he resisted, they pepper sprayed him, tasered him, hog tied him and stuffed him in the back of the squad car. 15 minutes later he was at the police station-except he was not breathing and his heart had stopped from positional asphyxiation. The paramedics were called and he was miraculously revived-except he was all fucked up w/ permaneant brain damage for life. Now he's slow, lost coordination, and can't speak too well. Last I heard the lawsuit against the cops was still pending. Even if he gets a 7 figure settlement, was it worth being a tough guy and resisting arrest? I bet he wishes he could relive that day all over again. Food for thought.
Castro_bigdog
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That was messed up by the cops
No one knows what really happened. They dont know he is a diabetic when they come to the scene, and if he is actively pushing officers and acting beligerent, then they should have wrestled him and done what they needed to do to secure him. Just because he is mr. universe doesnt mean the cops fucked up.
Now after all that said, once the situation was under control and the circumstances were realized, i dont believe charges should have been filed. its easy to monday morning quarterback the situation because he is mr. universe and lots of us dislike law enforcement. Like the cops were supposed to be say "hey guys its ok, his blood sugar is low, its ok let him do what he needs to do". people act very differently when their blood sugar is low, and he probably doesnt even remember how he was acting if his sugar was as low as it claims to be.
Now after all that said, once the situation was under control and the circumstances were realized, i dont believe charges should have been filed. its easy to monday morning quarterback the situation because he is mr. universe and lots of us dislike law enforcement. Like the cops were supposed to be say "hey guys its ok, his blood sugar is low, its ok let him do what he needs to do". people act very differently when their blood sugar is low, and he probably doesnt even remember how he was acting if his sugar was as low as it claims to be.
blut wump
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It's very true we don't know for sure. It is possible that he decided to hide the bracelet that he wears to save his life should he become hypoglycemic.
The cops are obliged to recognise the medical bracelet yet didn't or claim that they didn't. They failed him in a big way and risked his life.
The cops are obliged to recognise the medical bracelet yet didn't or claim that they didn't. They failed him in a big way and risked his life.
blut wump said:
You are correct, he could very well have been wearing a long sleeve shirt which did cover the bracelet. (or since i know a little bit about the bracelets since my father has one, they are very small and you dont know exactly what medical problem they signify until you read them, something you cant do when you are being pushed) Most of the time these bracelets are utilized by medical technicians when the patient is unconscious or not actively fighting/resisting which is common for someone whom is hypoglycemic. You dont know that, nor do I, so to speculate on that issue is ridiculous. The first goal would be to secure the person who is acting disorderly. This ensures the safety of the public who very well could have been at risk if this guy was actually crazy. Im sure they will protect "mr universe" first next time and not worry about their safety or the safety of everyone else in the theater
They can focus on getting first aid after the rest of the public is safe and they are safe, which is what happened. I guess we will just agree to disagree.
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blut wump
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Without any knowledge of the situation you're suggesting he acted disorderly. From the article, he was with the security guard for some time while awaiting the arrival of the four (4!) officers. There's no indication of any disorderly conduct in any of the newpieces I've seen other than the cops' version that he lunged at them, apparently unprovoked. Until we see more reports, the claim comes across as BS.
What is clear is that they failed to assess the situation correctly and arrived loaded for bear. Since when are four officers deemed appropriate to deal with a reported D&D that a security guard seems capable of coping with alone?
What is clear is that they failed to assess the situation correctly and arrived loaded for bear. Since when are four officers deemed appropriate to deal with a reported D&D that a security guard seems capable of coping with alone?
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Anthony Roberts
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We ask cops to make life and death decisions in the blink of an eye, and in this case, they didn't make the right call.
I don't envy them.
I don't envy them.
blut wump said:
Not that this piece of news is worth the continued debate, but i dont think you can ever be too careful when approaching anyone. Obviously he drew someones attention, because the cops were called. he was trespassing at the very least "after being asked to leave by the security guard" which he obviously refused to do. This is not his fault due to his illness, but again we are monday morning quarterbacking the decision of the officers. And im sure they were intimidated of him due to his size i.e. 4 cops. You cant determine how a drunk will act (which is what this guy is supposed to be at the very least, if not high on meth, PCP, Crack, who knows, im sure they didnt) It is not only I who am assuming things about this article. Like I said before, we dont know, we both have differing opinions, and we will agree to disagree.
tfuray
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Well I can speak from experience when I say that it's not far fetched at all saying that he lunged and then took a fighting stance. My stepfather had a diabetic episode several years ago and that's almost exactly what he did, except it was my brother and I that he lunged at. We restrained him and then called the ambulance, he was acting crazy bro talking about floating fishes and all kinds of other off the wall shit. If he wasn't my step dad I would have thought he was some meth fiend, and I dont think with the way he was acting my first thought would have been to look for his bracelet.
BigCracker
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True dat! You couldn't pay me enough to do their job.Anthony Roberts said:
Beachboy6294
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Fuck The Police!!!!
GeneticMutation
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Anthony Roberts said:
Very important point. Police officers, or anyone else for that matter, have a split-second to make their decision. Everyone is saying "they didn't assess thism they didn't assess that". Tell me, exactly how much time do you have to assess a dangerous situation that occurs without warning? A second at most, two tops.
allegedly the officers were "lunged" at by Burns without provocation. Burns also fit the profile of an intoxicated individual. His excuse that he was well-dressed and didn't smell of alcohol doesn't lend much credence that he was sober. Criminals come in all shapes and all sizes.
Now, if there is a "scuffle" the first thing the police officers have going through their minds isn't "Hey, I should check his arm in case he is a diabetic!". Their concern at that point is to take control of the situation THEN they can properly assess what is going on. And they followed that logic by providing an on-scene medical evaluation.
Now, for question #1: Was the use of force justified?
In my opinion, yes. On the face of it, (remember, you can only work with the information given to you - in this case we must assume the police officer's explanation of the event is true as Mr.Burns himself has stated he has no clear recollection of the event that transpired) the police officers reacted to a dangerous situation based on the knowledge they had to go on at that time. Keep in mind that the officers had reasonable and probable grounds to believe that Burns was intoxicated: 1)The security guard made an affirmation that he was so intoxicated (very important) and 2)Burns fit the profile.
As a matter of fact, we can forget all of the above. Even if the police officers KNEW that Burns was a diabetic and was having an episode, they would STILL be justified in using force if Burns was uncooperative. In this case, the use of force was for the protection of the citizen as well as the officers. How are you going to administer insulin to a diabetic that resists treatment? Shoot a dart at him?
Now for Question #2: Is the charge appropriate?
Well in my opinion this is a f.u.c.k.i.n.g bull-shit charge. This one is more political than anything. The captain knows its a load of crap too. But, like I said it is political. The captain has to stand by the members of his division/precinct or it will look bad for him and the entire force. The captain most probably realizes the charges will not hold up in court considering the extenuating circumstance. The court will probably find that Burns was not responsible for his actions, thereby removing intent. Basic law here : without intent there can be no crime.
Then again like previosuly stated, we can never know what truly happened that night, there are always 3 sides to a story so we are just participating in conjecture in the end.
Don't know where this quite fits in but...My sisters' husband is a retired cop. She's told me about when they (the cops) got together and drank. At first, normal bs talk. After a few brews, they start with the "You're my bro, I got your back, I would die for you, etc..." After even more brews, "We're the toughest mofos around and woe to the sucker who messes with us ( usually followed by high fives)". She says (repeat she says, not me) that when they get booze in them, they're just like adolescents. Admitedly, these were regular cops, not members of some super elite unit or veteran homicide detectives.
Re. the subject being discussed: I don't think the cops acted too bad with the info they had (big, apparantly drunk, guy lunging at them). Should charges be dropped? Yes, without a doubt.
Just my 2 cents.
Best wishes to all.
Re. the subject being discussed: I don't think the cops acted too bad with the info they had (big, apparantly drunk, guy lunging at them). Should charges be dropped? Yes, without a doubt.
Just my 2 cents.
Best wishes to all.
JonPee
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cboogsrun said:believe me, I'm no cop. You couldn't pay me 23k a year to deal with some of the bullshit. Plus I'm not that power hungry to need to suffer and live pay check to pay check just so I can boss people around. remember that
Cops make a hell of a lot more than 23k a year. It's not uncommon for them to make 100k+ a year
JonPee
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"The fact is Mr. Burns assaulted our officer," Cessina said. "If he had just stood there and let us help him, maybe they would have called the medics if he didn't seem to fit the description of being under the influence."
Holy shit that is an ignorant statement. Being drunk and being hypoglycemic look almost identical. How could someone that has to deal with drunks all the time NOT know that? It's not like this was some isolated incident where a hypoglycemic person was acting like a drunk, that's how they ALL act.
Holy shit that is an ignorant statement. Being drunk and being hypoglycemic look almost identical. How could someone that has to deal with drunks all the time NOT know that? It's not like this was some isolated incident where a hypoglycemic person was acting like a drunk, that's how they ALL act.
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