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So which of those compounds, in your experience is over-rated in either its mass building effects, fat burning effects or its ability to increase hardness and density?
landser
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Although I didn't vote tren, I think tren is overated in one capacity. I think it can be a great drug when bulking, as you are supplying enough nutrients for it to be effective, but when cutting really hard and being in a large calorie deficit, it is very innefective (at least for me) in acting as your primary muscle sparing drug. But, I also think trens side effects are overated, so it has the going for it at least.
IP winstrol has to be the most overrated of all winstrol. I got more vascularity eating powder blue M&M's. The rest of winstrol is super expensive, and dries up your joints. I swear, everyone and their f'n uncle wants to do winstrol after fernando vargas got caught with it in his system.
alltraps
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primo is over priced, and there are so many damn people that want to do it on this board, thinking its a miracle drug just cuz its so hard to get and its faked so much. i think everyone wanting primo is only because its simply not readily available. its like someone else put it "when you;re with a super hot chick and she sais you can stick it in any hole except her ass, whats the only thing you want to do?"
but like jubei said, all those compounds have their place in bbing.
but like jubei said, all those compounds have their place in bbing.
wnt2bBeast
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jubei said:
I agree with this except for the primo commentary..
little chris
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wnt2bBeast said:
Yep, primo is a fabulous drug.
hhmmm all steroids have thier own place. the only way to find out whats bunk and whats great is to try them all.
primo is great for those who are "test sensative" and wanna stack!! primo/winny is really hard to beat.
please people who have not used REAL or enough PRIMO please refrain from talking out the anus.
primo is great for those who are "test sensative" and wanna stack!! primo/winny is really hard to beat.
please people who have not used REAL or enough PRIMO please refrain from talking out the anus.
Alpha Male Baboon
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Personally, I think D-BOL... Why? Because you hear all these clueless newbee's & inexperienced teens saying how their D-BOL only cycle's are the 'badgers nadgers' & how they get awesome gains off it & then the next inexperienced fool who listens to this rubbish try's the same cycle, and so on & so on....
I just posted this on another thread. AS can not be over-rated in any form. They are what they are and a person’s perception might be skewed but that's because people usually ask others what their results were rather than reading up and finding out their own results might be or by using it themselves. This is the most common mis-use of the discussion boards. "What were your results?" is asked all the time. Well hey, guess what, what ever the guy's answer is it doesn't mean it will apply to you. This poll is the perfect example. Look what's number one. Winny. Why do you think winny is winning? It's because people think that it's going to make them looked ripped, just like _______. So they load up on winny and it doesn't take them from 18% to 6% in 8 weeks so it sucks. Or it makes their joint hurt so it sucks. Or it didn't do for me what it did for Brad Pitt so it sucks.
On the flipside you have people who use winny religiously and love it. Because they diet hard, do tons of cardio with weight training they are lean people to start with. When they add winny they’ll look like fukkenshredded (see pic). As soon as people see fukkenshredded's pic they immediately ask him what he takes. And he says, "winny". If you ask fukkenshredded he's tell you winny is the greatest drug ever made. So they run out and buy winny, shoot it and wait to look like he does. It’s his diet and cardio bros not the winny. The winny only accentuates his look.
On the flipside you have people who use winny religiously and love it. Because they diet hard, do tons of cardio with weight training they are lean people to start with. When they add winny they’ll look like fukkenshredded (see pic). As soon as people see fukkenshredded's pic they immediately ask him what he takes. And he says, "winny". If you ask fukkenshredded he's tell you winny is the greatest drug ever made. So they run out and buy winny, shoot it and wait to look like he does. It’s his diet and cardio bros not the winny. The winny only accentuates his look.
SemperFidelis
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Tough decision.
I said anavar.
SemperFidelis
I said anavar.
SemperFidelis
I think it is impossible to answer this question. There are too many variables, especially what are the users SPECIFIC goals? Each one has their place, depending on what you want it to do. Do you want to gain mass? Maybe Var isn't the way to go. Do you want to cut BF? Maybe a nadrolone isn't the way to go.
You need to evalute what your goals are, and reseach compounds from there.
Additionally, each user is going to have different ideas of what is "overrated" based off of their INDIVIDUAL experience. And their experience may be skewed due to faulty diet and/or training, lack of research, or lack of maturity. This is why a poll isn't the way to get these answers.
You need to evalute what your goals are, and reseach compounds from there.
Additionally, each user is going to have different ideas of what is "overrated" based off of their INDIVIDUAL experience. And their experience may be skewed due to faulty diet and/or training, lack of research, or lack of maturity. This is why a poll isn't the way to get these answers.
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Glad to see the responses. By just starting this thread I wanted to see a open discussion of why or why not some steroids might be better than others, and am gald people cam to the conclusion that it is possible to make gains on ANY steroid.
In any event, its amusing that winstrol has the most votes here. I personally find winstrol to be a very strong compound for adding size, strength, vascularity and hardness without signifigant side effects. I find that it seems to greatly amplify the ganis of any other compound it is stacked with. I'm currently running winstrol with eq and seeing outstanding results. I'm down 16 lbs in 3 weeks, but have gained strength and added 1/4 of an inch to my arms in this time (they are up to 19" now).
In any event, its amusing that winstrol has the most votes here. I personally find winstrol to be a very strong compound for adding size, strength, vascularity and hardness without signifigant side effects. I find that it seems to greatly amplify the ganis of any other compound it is stacked with. I'm currently running winstrol with eq and seeing outstanding results. I'm down 16 lbs in 3 weeks, but have gained strength and added 1/4 of an inch to my arms in this time (they are up to 19" now).
solidspine
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EQ does definitely LOWER MY Libdo, esp when on fina. But on the other hand deca, has recently given me deca dick.
I am staying clear of both of them for about 6 months.
I am staying clear of both of them for about 6 months.
solidspine
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One other thing, REAL Primo is awsome.
soflaguy
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Methandrostenolone/Dianabol (aka DBol) was not on the list.
"Breakfast of Champions"??
Headaches, lethargy, high blood pressue, loss of libido, estrogenic side effects, low-back pump pains, water bloat, liver toxicity and almost complete loss of gains.
Throwing out the cost, it has got to be worst pros/cons AS ever made IMO.
"Breakfast of Champions"??
Headaches, lethargy, high blood pressue, loss of libido, estrogenic side effects, low-back pump pains, water bloat, liver toxicity and almost complete loss of gains.
Throwing out the cost, it has got to be worst pros/cons AS ever made IMO.
wnt2bBeast
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meatneck said:
is this opinion or based on results from your own cycles??????theres a huge difference between losing water weight and muscle..not every lb of weight gain equals muscle..some blow up 30 lbs on a cycle and think its all muscle most likely it isnt!!
pharmadan
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There is no such thing as "keepable gains". There is only genetic limits + AAS. If you take out AAS, there is only genetic limits. After a cycle, it may take more or less time to fall back to the genetic limits you have, but you will eventually shrink back to PeeWee. PERIOD. If you think you are experiencing keepable gains with a cycle, then you were never at you genetic limits before the cycle ... therefore you probably shouldn't be using AAS.
I agree. When I looked at the list I was like hmmmm it really depends on what you are doing. I do not think Anavar for a male is a uncost effective drug for the $$. I think its a great drug in and of itself but way to steep for me. Check drops are the most overrated of all, stupid drug for BBs. I would actually say of the most used drugs Dbol is the most over rated. Hard on you and its and up and down drug IMHO. Also kills my appitite so whats the fucking point of using a bulking drug that makes it so you can not eat! BTW have to go drink a shake...EQ is making me hungry...or maybe its the weed!georgie24 said:
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Themachine01
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From my own personal experience, EQ has been the most disappointing in regards to results. I have tried it on 3 different occasions and have come to the conclusion that either this drug is not as good as it has been made out to be, or my body just does not react well to it. Either way I will not waste my money on EQ in the future.
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Themachine01 said:
Really? I have found it to be just as effective as test for mass gains, but with less water weight. It does not seem to suppress my libido either.
milo hobgoblin
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I didnt see it on the list
but probably deca
but probably deca
Goldprospector
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In my experience it was EQ...Least effective of any that I had tried. Although it did increase my appetite as it is claimed to do...But I have an extemely healthy appetite anyway! Vascularity improved some but I had better results with Var/Test than EQ/Test
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Wow... I am loving my eq/winstrol stack right now. I'm surprised they are getting so much hate. Personally I voted anavar and deca. Anavar is just too expensive to be of any use to me, and I have tried a deca only cycle once at 600 mg a week... and did not gain anything, and went 5 weeks without having an orgasim. I could get an erection just fine, but cumming was impossible even after hours of pounding. However in the past I had stacked it with test and saw very good results. This leads em to believe perhaps deca is not a great stand along drug for me at least.
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anavar is by far the most overrated out there, then primo. too much money for what you get out of them. far better options out there IMO
Vicious cycle
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pharmadan said:
Does anyone else think this is true. If so, why would anyone ever waste the money on AAS? This is not a flame, I'm just wondering.
georgie24 said:
I was looking for some clinical studies to suggest that boldenone inhibits libido. Reports from users are one thing, but as we all know they are not controlled studies. There are too many variables IMHO such as stacking with other drugs, placebo, and use of ancills like nolva/letro/ana that could affect libido.
little chris
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georgie24 said:
Georgie did you say your sex drive hit the shitter on test. I had to fight not fucking the neighbors cat when I was on!
Whats with all the EQ bashing I planned on including it in my next cycle.
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Little Chris, I don't know. I dig eq. Its an awesome drug, no side effects. Winstrol is very UNDERrated by many. I've found it to be a potent drug for gaining lbm, easily on par with test per mg.
liquidmuscle
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i get major sides with ed injects of fina
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This was the only reference that I could find on short notice for the study of boldenone in humans -- Parenabol is a trade name for boldenone undecyclenate.
The effect of "Parenabol" on patients with osteoporosis.
Melick RA, Baird CW.
PMID: 5493340 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
This was the only reference that I could find on short notice for the study of boldenone in humans -- Parenabol is a trade name for boldenone undecyclenate.
The effect of "Parenabol" on patients with osteoporosis.
Melick RA, Baird CW.
PMID: 5493340 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
I have to agree with the genetic potential comment there is a cap. After AS use you will be gradualy returned to your set potential. I do however belive most peoples genetic cap is far higher than they expect.
As far as shitty drugs go deca/nadralone takes the cake for me.(actualy thats not true, if we include all drugs meth takes the whole damn bakery).
As far as shitty drugs go deca/nadralone takes the cake for me.(actualy thats not true, if we include all drugs meth takes the whole damn bakery).
jubei said:
both are good but who wants to take the frequent injections that eq requires, I rather stick to primo on a strict diet.....very effective. If you can afford it.......use it.....my opinion.
For the ones that voted test as being over rated....with all do respect....you are a fucking idiot (sorry guys
). If anything is overpriced and over rated, I would have to say var. This is my out look:
winstrol- very effective if used right with another hardener (primo or deca)
anavar- majorly over rated and too fucking costly
boldenone- shots are too frequent
nandrolone- great with test or winny
trenbolone- excellent for bulking and cuts fat (good thing)
primobolan-high priced, but well worth it for the dedicated dieter
testosterone- test is best
bullcocky said:both are good but who wants to take the frequent injections that eq requires, I rather stick to primo on a strict diet.....very effective. If you can afford it.......use it.....my opinion.
For the ones that voted test as being over rated....with all do respect....you are a fucking idiot (sorry guys
This is my out look:
winstrol- very effective if used right with another hardener (primo or deca)
anavar- majorly over rated and too fucking costly
boldenone- shots are too frequent
nandrolone- great with test or winny
trenbolone- excellent for bulking and cuts fat (good thing)
primobolan-high priced, but well worth it for the dedicated dieter
testosterone- test is best
What kinda bold you talkin about here bro? Bold prop? Bold ace? Why do you want to inject bold more frequently than primo?
I dont understand why people need a scientific study on how come eq can decrease my libido. well when you take a steroid besides test that shuts you down so you aren't producing any test while cycling the steroid your libido is obviously going to be lowered. It just affects some people more than others and you wonder why most of the time people always use some sort of test in their cycles whether it be deca/eq/tren/winny/orwhateverthefkyouwanttoinsert
