More "toxic" TREN or ANAVAR?

[whackjob]

I know I know, Anavar is a 17aa steroid (although not as toxic as most 17aa's) and as a result, on would assume IT would be the winner here; however, is it unfair to say that TREN is a little rough on people?

I love the stuff, I just would like to know what it's doing to my organs that perhaps TESTwill not.

Thanks

 

[Bruce]

it can be hard on kidneys if you don't keep water intake up. it is not a 17aa though so is not considered liver toxic

 

[mattrich]

I know I know, Anavar is a 17aa steroid (although not as toxic as most 17aa's) and as a result, on would assume IT would be the winner here; however, is it unfair to say that TREN is a little rough on people?

I love the stuff, I just would like to know what it's doing to my organs that perhaps TESTwill not.

Thanks

i have heard that tren is not as liver toxic as many people think. i dont know maybe i'm wrong?

 

[caliboy]

Dose dependant. Anavar is pretty mild stuff. it was made for children.

 

[needtogetaas]

Dose dependant. Anavar is pretty mild stuff. it was made for children.

cool.

 

[whackjob]

Dose dependant. Anavar is pretty mild stuff. it was made for children.

Agreed -- dose-dependent. 50 mg/day would be 10 times the prescribed dose.

 

[Selene]

Agreed -- dose-dependent. 50 mg/day would be 10 times the prescribed dose.

yes very good point

 

[davidbb]

Both are toxic, however the liver has the ability to regenerate itself, whilst the kidneys do not. Just don't over-use 17aa steroids or Tren.

 

[dosteov]

I know I know, Anavar is a 17aa steroid (although not as toxic as most 17aa's) and as a result, on would assume IT would be the winner here; however, is it unfair to say that TREN is a little rough on people?

I love the stuff, I just would like to know what it's doing to my organs that perhaps TESTwill not.

Thanks

I don't know how you can compare the two. Tren is some pretty nasty stuff man. Whenever I run the stuff I feel pretty toxic. It's not made for humans either, it's made for cattle. FDA has some pretty stringent standards in regards to approving drugs (anavar has been approved). We know that anavar is midly toxic towards the liver. Tren toxicity is a who knows game. But running it and experiencing the sides the stuff feels pretty harsh on the body.

 

[Mac173]

Both are toxic, however the liver has the ability to regenerate itself, whilst the kidneys do not. Just don't over-use 17aa steroids or Tren.

Nobody around here would ever overuse tren.

 

[jacshelb]

Think of it this way too. Most experienced users are using 50mg of Tren per day basically as a starting point (not me, that would be my max). So, there are a lot of people shooting 100mg every day. Whereas, most don't go over 50 mg a day for Anavar. My guess (total speculation) would be that mg for mg, anavar would be more toxic on both the liver and kidneys. The sides we're "noticing" with tren aren't necessarilly associated with kidney or liver toxicity that I know of. It's more of feeling run down, insomnia etc. which could be purely temporary stuff. Just my guesses, though.


Jacob

 

[Bourget]

I have read that Tren is toxic to the kidneys and should only be done for no longer than 6 wks at a time. Some if not all of the vets on this board will tell you that Tren is NOT toxic at all. It is just a myth. I tend to believe the vets as they have real experience as opposed to someone who is theorizing.

 

[jacshelb]

Well, I've done several little cycles of Tren without much concern. BUT, I have no idea if it is hurting my liver or kidneys.... to be totally honest.

 

[todoveritas]

On a mg by mg basis, Anavar. Medical literature supports relative safety of Anavar, but it must be remembered therapeutic medical dosages rarely go above 10 mg QD (hardly BB dosages). Shares same liver toxicity concerns of any other 17-alkylated oral compound and you WILL run into trouble at sustained dosages 80-100mg QD for prolonged periods of time. Tren sides tend to multiply at 100mg QD and yes, I have seen kidney problems at high doses - but mostly from BBers who felt it necessary to stay on it for 6 mos at a time!

 

[JohnnyWest]

I don't have the studies for you on hand but I was reading about 4 months ago that anavar has been used up to 100mg ED without liver toxicity, but that is PURE pharmaceutical grade, you get all these impure chinese powders all the UGL's make and you will have liver toxicity. but I personally think var is far better for your health simply because it's not nearly as androgenic. One thing to worry about with var is to not take too much creatine because it is stressful to your kidneys to secrete it, but it does make a good combination

 

[Bruce]

just so you all know i took winstrol 50mg ed for 6 months before i knew shit about steroids. no problems at all. its over hyped. steroids are not that hard on the liver. aids patients are given dianabol in high doses for months on end and do not have liver damage

 

[str8cubano]

Tren made me feel like I was going to die. Choked on it. Coudln't breathe, and heart rate raced like never before. Im one of those individuals that are allergic to tren...

 

[ViperHMS]

I have read that Tren is toxic to the kidneys and should only be done for no longer than 6 wks at a time. Some if not all of the vets on this board will tell you that Tren is NOT toxic at all. It is just a myth. I tend to believe the vets as they have real experience as opposed to someone who is theorizing.

Anything you hear about tren being toxic to the kidneys is nothing more than a guess. I have yet to see or hear of one instance that directly links trenbolone, now there is pleanty of speculation but no hard proof.

 

[todoveritas]

just so you all know i took winstrol 50mg ed for 6 months before i knew shit about steroids. no problems at all. its over hyped. steroids are not that hard on the liver. aids patients are given dianabol in high doses for months on end and do not have liver damage

Yes, God protects the young, the insane, and drunks. Medical science and close follow/up on LFT's protects the other group you mentioned.

 

[chazk]

dianabol is percribes at 10mg a day for test replacement.. trying to say hey its used in hiv patients at a large does does not make it any less toxic then it is.Dianabol is the last choice over anavar becuase anavar is safer


aids patients are looked at as terminaly ill they are going to die. Dianabol is used to help wasting and extend life it can do damage to the liver but thats not the concern with aids patients becuase they are going to die anyways.It about keeping them from dying then deal with the liver later. Most aids patients die with no meds real quick.. If they do get meds the side effects ususally kill them ever see a aids patient on roids before he dies?

He has next to zero bodyfat a giant bloated stomach with 6 pack abs, a hunched over back with a giant fat deposit in the middle and dies from the inside out with organ failure


but to a body builder no one gives a shit about all that above becuase we are healthy (most of us)with good immune system and the liver is pretty forgiving and rebuilds it self pretty quick..if proper water intake and diet is ok.
this means little saturated fats the liver gets alot of stress from disolving saturated fats you know the ones that clog arteries they can also build up and clog the liver up and make it work 3-4 times as hard water is the key to ridding the toxic build up in the liver , just like flusing out a filter

 

[solidspine]

I cut and pasted this from some website,

Tren is much more toxic and much more effective, than anavar.

There is no comparison

Anavar is An intrinsically weak steroid with a high price-tag and low availability, oxandrolone owes its large popularity due to its safety. In sharp contrast to oxymetholone, oxandrolone is quite generally considered to be the safest of all steroids. Its


Since trenbolone was found to be roughly 3 to 4 times as anabolic as most testosterone esters it quite easily boosts strength over short periods of time. It acts well on the androgen receptor with as a result that it can have certain side-effects. Most notably the normal androgenic side-effects such as increased acne and a risk for prostate hypertrophy, definitely increased aggression leading to roid rage in prolonged use of high doses and in some cases an aggravation of an existing hair loss problem.

 

[juicer99]

Anything you hear about tren being toxic to the kidneys is nothing more than a guess. I have yet to see or hear of one instance that directly links trenbolone, now there is pleanty of speculation but no hard proof.

Theres no hard proof because tren is for beef cattle, not humans. Just some food for thought: There are NO steroids in European beef. They have MUCH higher rates of smoking and drinking than the US, but their food has less additives. Their life expectancies beat the USA by a decade...

Maybe theres something to all this. I sure hope not. Maybe research will find tren is healthy for people (wishfull thinking)

 

[chazk]

Theres no hard proof because tren is for beef cattle, not humans. Just some food for thought: There are NO steroids in European beef. They have MUCH higher rates of smoking and drinking than the US, but their food has less additives. Their life expectancies beat the USA by a decade...

Maybe theres something to all this. I sure hope not. Maybe research will find tren is healthy for people (wishfull thinking)

their is hard proof tren was used in europe for human use and most countries stopped using it due to its toxicity

 

[solidspine]

Anything you hear about tren being toxic to the kidneys is nothing more than a guess. I have yet to see or hear of one instance that directly links trenbolone, now there is pleanty of speculation but no hard proof

This is of course true, and I must admit nothing is better than tren or parabolan

 

[ViperHMS]

Theres no hard proof because tren is for beef cattle, not humans. Just some food for thought: There are NO steroids in European beef. They have MUCH higher rates of smoking and drinking than the US, but their food has less additives. Their life expectancies beat the USA by a decade...

Maybe theres something to all this. I sure hope not. Maybe research will find tren is healthy for people (wishfull thinking)

I was not talking about studies that were done, etc. because yeah you wont find any. What I was talking about was, say John Doe went to the doctor and found out he had kidney problems. Now we dont know what caused John Doe's kidney problems, but John Doe is going to think well I have been taking Tren and everyone says that Tren is toxic to the liver, THUS I must have gotten my kidney problems for the Tren I was taking. John Doe never takes into account that he may have caused this problem by taking Toradol and Zestril.

Its like saying AAS were the cause of someone's death, find a report that states that.

 

[OMEGA]

There is debate whether Tren is Toxic or not

it sure felt Toxic, also felt that 50 mgs or more a day is excessive