Yeah, I'm much more interested in the old time lifters than today's guys. A lot of the old lifters like Steve Reaves and Marvin Eder were great athletes. In Steve Reave's book, Building the Classic Physique the Natural Way, he stated that at the end of the first Mr Universe Contest he competed in, it was a tie at the end and gymnastics was used as a tie breaker in posing. Can you imagine a modern bb'er doing a handstand?