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cobracock1979
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if its water based...hell no
i just wouldnt do it...even if you could... jsut to be safe...but i dont know the answer...google it
Yes you can. Just need to be careful when injecting that you get some sort of a mix between the two as you don't want to be pushing oil in and then hit a pool of the water based B12 and it surges in quickly as would be uncomfortable but if your careful you can do this with oils and water based substances.
needtogetaas
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Yup. As did one of the guys in my program. He asked be if he could do it but did it before he asked me. I said get ready for an infection bro. Sure enough he was on ef posting about his infection.
Can you get away with it? Yes. I might be able to run across a 5 lane highway to but that don't mean I should do it.
cobracock1979
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Once again - NO!
cobracock1979
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Oil+water at 37c = perfect environment for bacteria to breed. The oil can easily trap water molecules and stop them dissapating throughout the muscle, creating a stagnant 'pool' for bacteria to breed.
Abcesses in the glute especially can cause major problems. Apart from the actual pain of cutting a fuckin lump out of ur AAS, and the scarring left behind, if the infection spreads to the spinal area...nuff said. It happens
Abcesses in the glute especially can cause major problems. Apart from the actual pain of cutting a fuckin lump out of ur AAS, and the scarring left behind, if the infection spreads to the spinal area...nuff said. It happens
That all assumes that you don't inject cleanly hence the contamination. Also, tissue fluid is primarily water. No matter where you inject the oil will be in contact with tissue fluid. So it should be a problem even if you don't inject a compound where water is the solvent.
I'm also wondering how oil 'traps' enough water molecules for it to be an issue. It would take a lot molecules to be trapped before dissipation were significantly impaired. As water is hydrophilic and oil hydrophobic, one does not dissolve the other particularly well. Unless of course you are talking about an emulsion forming?
Finally, how come this was never an issue several years ago. There was a phase where a substantial number of people asked about it. the answer was always 'I do it without a problem'.
I'm also wondering how oil 'traps' enough water molecules for it to be an issue. It would take a lot molecules to be trapped before dissipation were significantly impaired. As water is hydrophilic and oil hydrophobic, one does not dissolve the other particularly well. Unless of course you are talking about an emulsion forming?
Finally, how come this was never an issue several years ago. There was a phase where a substantial number of people asked about it. the answer was always 'I do it without a problem'.
There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that you cannot inject an oil and water mix if your careful. Absecces, infections etc as noted here happen due to unsterile injection procedures and can happen regardless of what your injecting. How on earth does mixing oil and water have any bearing at all on an infection? It simply doesn't. If your doing an IM injection of any type and you use sterile techniques, have a pin long enough to get into the belly of the muscle your GTG with whatever your injecting.
A
ALIN
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you can if the vloume is low...like 1cc oil,,,1cc b12
i am the idiot hayes is talking about lol. just to clear it up though if you read that thread i had already injected it then mentioned it in a post and you advised me about the infection risk. i questioned you and doubted you but i also stopped mixing while i looked more into it. i got the infection from that first inject. (FOR THE RECORD)
any way i injected a dose of winny depot and test prop together into my delt and got an infection. hot, red, swelling, and sore as hell. luckily i treated it with amoxil and cleared it up in a few says. needless to say this was my first and last time injecting oil and water together. honestly i am still not 100% convinced because i cant seem to find any reason as to why it would cause an infection. if every thing is sterile then how? but regardless after my infection i will never do that shit again.
sensational
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Easily trap water molecules? Not really. The water would still dissipate by diffusion rapidly. Your body is an optimal environment for bacteria to proliferate, not just oil or water. The key is sanitary injection technique. If you introduce bacteria past your bodies protection system (your skin) you can get an infection. Thus if you exercise sanitary injection techniques you most certainly can mix the two. The trick is not injecting air.
There is no medical reason that you can't mix the two, you just need to practice safe injection procedures.
lolol i knew i remembered it but i couldnt remember the thread title or the post to look for it! i take it your good to go now?i am the idiot hayes is talking about lol. just to clear it up though if you read that thread i had already injected it then mentioned it in a post and you advised me about the infection risk. i questioned you and doubted you but i also stopped mixing while i looked more into it. i got the infection from that first inject. (FOR THE RECORD)
any way i injected a dose of winny depot and test prop together into my delt and got an infection. hot, red, swelling, and sore as hell. luckily i treated it with amoxil and cleared it up in a few says. needless to say this was my first and last time injecting oil and water together. honestly i am still not 100% convinced because i cant seem to find any reason as to why it would cause an infection. if every thing is sterile then how? but regardless after my infection i will never do that shit again.
cobracock1979
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If you wanna do it go for it Guys, upto you.
Vets - back me up here, or correct me if im wrong. Mixing oil+water substantially intreases the risk of infections? Yes/ no?
Vets - back me up here, or correct me if im wrong. Mixing oil+water substantially intreases the risk of infections? Yes/ no?
Define vet.
There are a good number of people here who have been here almost since the site opened. A good number who have substantial cycles under their belt. Do they count?
Some of these people keep post counts low. The reason for being here is that there are a small number of very knowledgable people here who really do know their shit. Unfortunately they are mixed in with people who just repeat stuff they heard and people who just try to make out they are vets. I come here for the first group of people....and chime in every now and then when I know what is being posted by others is just plain wrong. What you are posting, and your explanation, makes no sense.....lots of people doing reasonable oil/water injections says so.
There are a good number of people here who have been here almost since the site opened. A good number who have substantial cycles under their belt. Do they count?
Some of these people keep post counts low. The reason for being here is that there are a small number of very knowledgable people here who really do know their shit. Unfortunately they are mixed in with people who just repeat stuff they heard and people who just try to make out they are vets. I come here for the first group of people....and chime in every now and then when I know what is being posted by others is just plain wrong. What you are posting, and your explanation, makes no sense.....lots of people doing reasonable oil/water injections says so.
cobracock1979
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Bro,
Im not trying to make out im a vet so dont make out like I am. I add a lotta value to this board, an when I dont know soemthing I simply dont get involved.
Lets see what others say
cool man! glad to hear
Oh your sensitive huh. Where did I say you were trying to make out you were a vet?
Bottom line is your explanation didn't make sense. If you don't know don't post things like 'One more time - NO'. The whole tone of that implies that people should just do because you said so.
It's about time this board got back to listening to the people who really have answers. Too many people on here just repeating things they heard. Elite always used to have one of the best AAS boards but now it is getting dragged down because too many people want to pretend they are in the know. And yes, the whole tone of your posts make you look like one of the people who want to appear to know more than they do.
Ah now I'm going to be really unpopular because I dared to say what a lot of people are thinking. lol.
Bottom line is your explanation didn't make sense. If you don't know don't post things like 'One more time - NO'. The whole tone of that implies that people should just do because you said so.
It's about time this board got back to listening to the people who really have answers. Too many people on here just repeating things they heard. Elite always used to have one of the best AAS boards but now it is getting dragged down because too many people want to pretend they are in the know. And yes, the whole tone of your posts make you look like one of the people who want to appear to know more than they do.
Ah now I'm going to be really unpopular because I dared to say what a lot of people are thinking. lol.
cobracock1979
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lol,
No im not sensative. Yes, you appeared to be saying I was trying to appear to be a vet. If not then cool. My explanetion was the best one I could findm months back. Whether its accurate or not, the fact is its not OK to inject oil and ater if you wanna avoid infection. Yes, people get away with it.
I myself tried it once and snd got an infection. The same with one of my friends. And other very reputable bro's have said the same. If Im wrong thyen someone correct me - Im here to learn.
If I appeared arrogant by postin 'once again - no' then let me assure u im not - i was in a rush. And bro, you havnt read my posts or you wouldnt say that I appear to try and look like I know more than I do. And dont bother to find one or two that make me sound brusque and cutting and pasting an trying to prove your point.
If ur such a vet - try posting more often and sharing some knowledge.
by the way - DONT MIX WATER WITH OIL.
No im not sensative. Yes, you appeared to be saying I was trying to appear to be a vet. If not then cool. My explanetion was the best one I could findm months back. Whether its accurate or not, the fact is its not OK to inject oil and ater if you wanna avoid infection. Yes, people get away with it.
I myself tried it once and snd got an infection. The same with one of my friends. And other very reputable bro's have said the same. If Im wrong thyen someone correct me - Im here to learn.
If I appeared arrogant by postin 'once again - no' then let me assure u im not - i was in a rush. And bro, you havnt read my posts or you wouldnt say that I appear to try and look like I know more than I do. And dont bother to find one or two that make me sound brusque and cutting and pasting an trying to prove your point.
If ur such a vet - try posting more often and sharing some knowledge.
by the way - DONT MIX WATER WITH OIL.
lol well I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
No I'm not a vet. Have some experience yes.....but I certainly don't know nearly enough to make me think I should post more. I come here to read posts by the likes of Nelson, Galaxy etc as they really do know their stuff. Some will disagree with them but they can back up what they say and say when what they say is just a hunch/opinion.
I have read some of your posts.....and am not sad enough to go looking to cut and paste. I don't do silly pissing contests.....just say what I think and people can take it or leave it. Think what you wish to think about your posts.
No I'm not a vet. Have some experience yes.....but I certainly don't know nearly enough to make me think I should post more. I come here to read posts by the likes of Nelson, Galaxy etc as they really do know their stuff. Some will disagree with them but they can back up what they say and say when what they say is just a hunch/opinion.
I have read some of your posts.....and am not sad enough to go looking to cut and paste. I don't do silly pissing contests.....just say what I think and people can take it or leave it. Think what you wish to think about your posts.
cobracock1979
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LOL,
Mate - I dont give a f*ck! Im not interested in pissing comps, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, please continue to say what you think, I dont think it bothers anyone here. As far as my posts go, to my knowledge they are pretty solid. Im no idiot
On this subject, like I said - if Im wrong then then OK. Lets just see what others have to say OK?
Mate - I dont give a f*ck! Im not interested in pissing comps, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, please continue to say what you think, I dont think it bothers anyone here. As far as my posts go, to my knowledge they are pretty solid. Im no idiot
On this subject, like I said - if Im wrong then then OK. Lets just see what others have to say OK?
Well the consensus so far is that it is okay to mix. You just need reasonable volumes and good technique.
cobracock1979
Member
Surprisingly yeah, that seems to be the concensus. None of the 'big boys' have have said its OK tho...hell, if it turns ou that they do, ill start mixing my HCG and test
cobracock1979
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I disagree. Adios
when people dont listen its better off if you step back and let them do the damage...some people people dont liten to anything....
By now I must have had a hundred or so infections....hang on I haven't. Never had one. So must have the others who have said it is okay.
I could repeat Hayez's words back at several in this thread. This is why some who have been here for a very long time just don't bother posting. People just aren't prepared to stop and think. Best to just believe what has been repeated enough times that people just accept it instead of questioning it. As I said earlier, this site has changed. Very unfortunate. Think I'll just go back to reading posts from the posters I knwo have real experience and knowledge and leave people to perpetuate their myths and stroke their own egos.
I could repeat Hayez's words back at several in this thread. This is why some who have been here for a very long time just don't bother posting. People just aren't prepared to stop and think. Best to just believe what has been repeated enough times that people just accept it instead of questioning it. As I said earlier, this site has changed. Very unfortunate. Think I'll just go back to reading posts from the posters I knwo have real experience and knowledge and leave people to perpetuate their myths and stroke their own egos.
cobracock1979
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Promise?
To the original poster - I believe the reason that you want to mix is to stop the pain from the Prop?
Look into baking it - it should be as simple as putting it in the oven for x amount of time at x heat.
I have never needed to do it, but there are plenty of posts in AAS explaining how its done - I think the reason your prop stings is due to the high level of BA alcohol
in it.
cobracock1979
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V Machine - do regularly inject oil+water?
I have done hundreds of injections, as I am sure you have. the only infection I ever got was from my only oil+ water inject. Its the same with another poster in this thread. And the same with others I know.
This is a forum - that means people share experiences. If you dont like then go elswehere, or stay in the shadows as before. Im tired of you stating people here who are trying to help noobs in their own valuable time are simple stroking their own ego's.
I disagree. It is quite dangerous and uncomfortable. Oil and waterjust don't mix. Technically, the term "mixing" oil and water based substances in injections is not only not accurate, but down right useless and can increase the chances of getting infections.
cobracock1979
Member
+1 Halleleujia
Respectfully I disagree.
Oil and water do not mix and this is why you need to be careful when doing an oil and water injection for the reason I stated. If your not careful you can be pushing hard on the oil to inject and then hit a pool of water based substance and it surges in which can be uncomfortable most definately BUT the increased risk of infection is just not plausible. Explain to me in any commons sense way how doing an inject of water and oil can cause an infection? It seems from this thread some think that if you dare inject an oil and water mix your bound to get an infection. That is nonsensical. I myself have done many, many winny and oil injects for example without any infection. In fact I have never even come close to an infection from any inject reagrdless of what I might be injecting because I take care with what I am doing. I also know of plenty of guys who have done exactly the same thing without any issues.
Let's look at some facts here. To get an infection you need bacteria present. This can come from several sources inclusive of inoculation of the site with bacteria from the needle, syringe, or the AAS/gear. Poor site preparation can also be a cause whereby bacteria can be introuduced into the muscle tissue if the immediate injection area is not cleaned properly or swabbed with alcohol. This is true though for any injection regardless of the material being injected. A water and oil mix is no different.
The only thing I possibly could think of here is perhaps a plausible increase for irritation but certainly not infection.
Although, I am against oil and water based injections, I'll go along with your idea and pretend it is ok to inject water and oil based substances together.
If there is an even slight chance to get an infection, an irritation or any harm by doing something wrong in the process, why risk it? what could be positive about mixing oil and water based solutions in an injection?
The OP wanted to know about using injectible B12 to lessen the pain from his prop injections. Admittedly I have never done this myself but anecdotally at least it does seem to have worked for quite a few so I say give it a try BUT with caution. Not because of any increased infection issue though.
In my own case when I was injecting winny and an oil based AAS it was more to lessen the pain from the winny as winny injects hurt like F**K for me and really I do not see any harm at all from doing so and I never had any issues as I mentioned.
Winny injects can be replaced with orals or drinking winny if you can stand the taste, so i dnt really see an issue there...
In terms of injecting B12, for someone that has never injected an oil-based substance and mixed it with a water-based substance, isnt it bad advice to tell him to go for it and try it out...I honestly dont want that on my conscience if he hurts himself. Not saying that you give bad advice as I know you're a good bro and know you're shit, but you are saying people should do this because it works with you, when "best practice" suggests not to do something like this as teh results are not favorable.
and thats why I said it can be replaced by orals or you can drink it so you avoide mixing it with an oil based substance...or you can inject it alone, but why go through the pain...
Yes but to the point of the thread it's relative i.e can you mix oil and water for same injection. My answer is yes you can. I have done it, I know others who have done it, I have read countless others have done it and all without issue and I see no reason why it cannot be done. Certainly to the main issue here in that it will cause an infection if you do is IMO unfounded and inaccurate as I simply have not ever seen any evidence of it when using sterile injecting techniques.
cobracock1979
Member
A Glute Abscess – My Story
Traz just posted this in another thread - this guy (experienced usedr) mixed winny and test in the same leedle, following sterile procedures.
Check the pics at the bottom
Traz just posted this in another thread - this guy (experienced usedr) mixed winny and test in the same leedle, following sterile procedures.
Check the pics at the bottom
sensational
New member
Yes you absolutely can put them in the same syringe. They will not "mix" and they will be separated, but if you follow sanitary injection procedures and make sure there is no air in the syringe there shouldn't be an issue.
The scientific explanations about "not mixing", and "creates issues" after injecting are not scientific. Bro's we need to keep our eye on the ball here. It may be best to tell a novice to not mix the two, but a vet who has done hundreds of injects and knows his shit will be just fine.
Lets keep this thread accurate without the pissing contests.
The scientific explanations about "not mixing", and "creates issues" after injecting are not scientific. Bro's we need to keep our eye on the ball here. It may be best to tell a novice to not mix the two, but a vet who has done hundreds of injects and knows his shit will be just fine.
Lets keep this thread accurate without the pissing contests.
cobracock1979
Member
Yeah - original poster is a noob so lets advise him not to take the risk. makes sense to me
again....some people will never learn...we now have 2 threads on here int he last 2 weeks showing nfections orm mixing oil and water yet people still will do it because they say its OK...
exactly.
Just cause it works with 1% of the members on here, doesnt mean we should advise people to mix oil and water based susbtances and inject them...seriously guys, get smart about this please.
I see no reason why people have to be lazy and not do sep injections...why risk injury? I'd rather have a few soar spots instead of a infection!!!
