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Minimizing muscle loss when cutting?

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This is my first time cutting and I don't really know what to expect. I realize since I am not using any "assistance" that there will be a loss of LBM involved.

Just wondering what kind of cardio, amount of protein per day, cals below BMR etc you would recommend to minimize the muscle loss, or what you have done yourself and gotten good results from.
 
The caloric intake for fat loss is is about 10-13 x bodyweight per day.

Diet Breakdown:

Protein 1.5 - 2 grams per lb of Bodyweight
Fat .5 - .75grams per lb of Bodyweight
Carbs (only post workout) 30-50 grams

Cardio- 4 days a week, Alternate Between 20 min High Intensity (Jump Ropes, Sprints) and Low intensity for 45min - 1hour (Walking, Light Jogging, Jumping Jacks).
 
InTraining said:
This is my first time cutting and I don't really know what to expect. I realize since I am not using any "assistance" that there will be a loss of LBM involved.

Just wondering what kind of cardio, amount of protein per day, cals below BMR etc you would recommend to minimize the muscle loss, or what you have done yourself and gotten good results from.
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Clen + ketotifen...

Limit fat intake to monounsatured and polyunsaturated fats. (nuts , sunflower kernels {plain} olive oil, all natural peanut butter) Drop all trans and saturated fats. The fat count is too high

post workout carbs should be some slow digesting carb such as green vegetables like brocoli. 30-50 grams of sugar is never good while cutting.

The protein count is too high. Too high protein will cause the excess to be converted to fat. Totally counter productive. I would stick with 1 - 1.5 grams per Lean Body Mass not weight.

If you do a little math
1 gram of protein = 2 calories
1 gram carb = 4 calories
1 gram fat = 9 calories

at 250lb
500g protein (2x bodyweight) = 1000 calories
50g carbs = 200 calories
187.5 grams fats (.75 bodyweight) = 1687.5 calories

Your numbers seems to fit but the fast and proteins are too high for cutting
 
InTraining said:
That low on the carbs ? Would 100-150 grams be acceptable?
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Carbs should be low as all carbs are converted to glucose for energy. Too high carb count and your body will stop using stored fat as energy. Drinking a coke will have this effect, so the blanket generality of 30-50 grams of carbs should be explained more in detail The number sounds good.
 
I don't know how anybody could have effective workouts on 30-50 postworkout carbs a day. It seems like you'd lose muscle due to non-productive workouts just from the lack of carbs alone. If you're active I would think 100 carbs would be a minimum.

IMO the most important factor in minimizing muscle loss is not to drop the calories too low or too quickly.
 
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gjohnson5 said:
Clen + ketotifen...

Limit fat intake to monounsatured and polyunsaturated fats. (nuts , sunflower kernels {plain} olive oil, all natural peanut butter) Drop all trans and saturated fats. The fat count is too high

post workout carbs should be some slow digesting carb such as green vegetables like brocoli. 30-50 grams of sugar is never good while cutting.

The protein count is too high. Too high protein will cause the excess to be converted to fat. Totally counter productive. I would stick with 1 - 1.5 grams per Lean Body Mass not weight.

If you do a little math
1 gram of protein = 2 calories
1 gram carb = 4 calories
1 gram fat = 9 calories

at 250lb
500g protein (2x bodyweight) = 1000 calories
50g carbs = 200 calories
187.5 grams fats (.75 bodyweight) = 1687.5 calories

Your numbers seems to fit but the fast and proteins are too high for cutting
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Good. However, protein is 4kcal/gm.
 
cmdubs said:
I don't know how anybody could have effective workouts on 30-50 postworkout carbs a day. It seems like you'd lose muscle due to non-productive workouts just from the lack of carbs alone. If you're active I would think 100 carbs would be a minimum.
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Burn your own bodyfat and you won't need to eat more carbs. Carbs don't make good workouts... It's just harder to do
 
im gaining on almsot 4kcals/day..remember its total cals that determine whether or not you lose..you can get cut on high carbs as well..if cutting without AAS i would do everything in moderation..that includes cardio, cutting cals, and weight training..

i would eliminate all shitty things from my diet for teh first few weeks..allow maybe 1 cheat meal/week not a cheat day..slowly start off the cardio..doing too much cardio to fast will only cause you to lose muscle plus when the diet stalls out youll have nothing to fall back on to kick it inot high gear..

start counting cals right now if you are eating 3-3500 dont just drop to 2k..slowly rduce them every 2 weks or so or when u fail to drop fat
 
wnt2bBeast said:
im gaining on almsot 4kcals/day..remember its total cals that determine whether or not you lose..you can get cut on high carbs as well..if cutting without AAS i would do everything in moderation..that includes cardio, cutting cals, and weight training..

i would eliminate all shitty things from my diet for teh first few weeks..allow maybe 1 cheat meal/week not a cheat day..slowly start off the cardio..doing too much cardio to fast will only cause you to lose muscle plus when the diet stalls out youll have nothing to fall back on to kick it inot high gear..

start counting cals right now if you are eating 3-3500 dont just drop to 2k..slowly rduce them every 2 weks or so or when u fail to drop fat
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good advice
 
30-50 grams of carbs a day is way too little even if your cutting, unless of course your a 120lb women. that small amount of carbs would put you in a catabolic state and raise your cortisol levels which would eventually make you lose more lbm than bodyfat. when in a cutting phaze you want to lose as much bodyfat as possible while maintaining muscle mass. in order to do this you have to know how much and when to take carbs, protein, and fats. you must also drink lots of water. drinking water in large amounts speads up your metabolism.

here are some tricks to shock your metabolism and lose as much bodyfat as possible. do cardio before breakfast. when you wake up have a protein shake with no carbs and then do high intensity intervals for 45 min to an hour. doing cardio when you havnt eatin any carbs for over 4 hours will make your body burn off your fat stores as energy. you should consume 1.5-2g of protein per lb. and .75-1.25g of carb per lb of bodyweight. the trick is to know when to take these carbs and you will be fine. after you do morning cardio, have breakfast with high protein and moderate carbs. before you train have a protein shake with no carbs. do not eat any carbs for about 4 hours before you train, this again will trick your body into using fat as energy. after you train have some carbs to replenish your glycogen levels. dont eat the same amount of carbs each day. 1 day consume about 125 g of carbs then the next day consume 200g of carbs then the next day consume about 100g of carbs. you want to trick your metabolism into using fat as energy instead of carbs. eating few to no carbs will only make you lose muscle mass and not fat. eating high protein will save your muscle when you lower your carb intake but not if you nearly completely cut them out.

hope you get ripped!
 
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Hit everyone I could with some karma, thanks for the input everyone.

Going to count all the cals out tonight and see what parts of the diet\cardio\training need to be adjusted.
 
All you got to do is burn more cals than you take in. If your protein intake is high (which it should already be) and is taken at the right times (upon waking up, after workout, before bed) you won't lose muscle. What kind of cardio you do is a matter of preference (high intensity vs. moderate). Burn the cals, lose the fat. It's that easy.

Btw. Get your bodyfat checked regularly. All too often during cutting, we look in the mirror and think we are losing muscle, but really we're not - it's just seems that way when the fat starts coming off. The only way to know for sure that you are not losing muscle is to get your b/f checked.
 
JustJacked said:
30-50 grams of carbs a day is way too little even if your cutting, unless of course your a 120lb women. that small amount of carbs would put you in a catabolic state and raise your cortisol levels which would eventually make you lose more lbm than bodyfat. when in a cutting phaze you want to lose as much bodyfat as possible while maintaining muscle mass. in order to do this you have to know how much and when to take carbs, protein, and fats. you must also drink lots of water. drinking water in large amounts speads up your metabolism.

here are some tricks to shock your metabolism and lose as much bodyfat as possible. do cardio before breakfast. when you wake up have a protein shake with no carbs and then do high intensity intervals for 45 min to an hour. doing cardio when you havnt eatin any carbs for over 4 hours will make your body burn off your fat stores as energy. you should consume 1.5-2g of protein per lb. and .75-1.25g of carb per lb of bodyweight. the trick is to know when to take these carbs and you will be fine. after you do morning cardio, have breakfast with high protein and moderate carbs. before you train have a protein shake with no carbs. do not eat any carbs for about 4 hours before you train, this again will trick your body into using fat as energy. after you train have some carbs to replenish your glycogen levels. dont eat the same amount of carbs each day. 1 day consume about 125 g of carbs then the next day consume 200g of carbs then the next day consume about 100g of carbs. you want to trick your metabolism into using fat as energy instead of carbs. eating few to no carbs will only make you lose muscle mass and not fat. eating high protein will save your muscle when you lower your carb intake but not if you nearly completely cut them out.

hope you get ripped!
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What is your bodyfat percentage?? Do you take AAS???

There is no relationship between the adrenal function and carbohydrate intake.

The numbers are way too high. I would like to see a realistic diet documented on the net that says 2x protein is good. I hear people say that but there's no proof whatsoever that this is a good idea.
 
Uch...

One gram of protein per pound is fine. You never have any need for 2g/lb. The highest you should ever need to go, and that would for cutting in this case, would be 1.5g/lb. Unless you're on some carb-cycling diet and need to play with things, keep it simple.

1. Caloric defecit
2. EFA intake
3. Adequate protein

If you want to get into the single digits, carb-cycling would be a good approach to shoot for. Otherwise, forget all that bullshit about cutting out carbs, eating only for activity, ceasing eating late night...it's garbage.

Calories in < Calories out
^^^^
! BAM !
 
gjohnson5 said:
What is your bodyfat percentage?? Do you take AAS???

There is no relationship between the adrenal function and carbohydrate intake.

The numbers are way too high. I would like to see a realistic diet documented on the net that says 2x protein is good. I hear people say that but there's no proof whatsoever that this is a good idea.
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in order to maintain muscle mass you need to take in a certain amount of calories. if your in a low carb cutting phaze then you have to raise protein or you will not be taking in enough cals to maintain lean mass. unlike carbs, when training,protein is not easily stored as fat. carbs are extremely important to add and maintain muscle mass. when you lower your carb intake your glycogen levels lower. if you train while your glycogen levels are low you are at a high risk of going into a catobolic state and your cortisol levels will raise. when you are in a catobolic state and your cortisol levels are up your body starts to breakdown your muscle tissue and use it as energy. taking in more protein than usuall will prevent this.

lets say your a 200lb bb and your in a cutting phaze. if you take in 1g protein per pound and .75g carb each day it would be like this:
200g protein=800cal
150g carb =600cal
60g fat =480cal
total =1880cal

1880 cals? you would definately lose some muscle mass with that small of an amount of calories. if you double your protein that would bring your calories to 2680 per day. i would take in 1.75g of protein per lb and up my fat intake by about 20-30g.
 
Tom Treutlein said:
Uch...

One gram of protein per pound is fine. You never have any need for 2g/lb. The highest you should ever need to go, and that would for cutting in this case, would be 1.5g/lb. Unless you're on some carb-cycling diet and need to play with things, keep it simple.

1. Caloric defecit
2. EFA intake
3. Adequate protein

If you want to get into the single digits, carb-cycling would be a good approach to shoot for. Otherwise, forget all that bullshit about cutting out carbs, eating only for activity, ceasing eating late night...it's garbage.

Calories in < Calories out
^^^^
! BAM !
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not to argue but you do need to hit 2g/lb at certain times
 
Show me research that states you ever need that much amount of protein. Unless you're using gear, you don't need that much protein for anything more than extra cals, which you can get from carb sources for cheaper.
 
InTraining said:
justjacked I'm weighing in at 210lbs so 175-200g carbs per day should be alright?
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175g of carbs per day would be ok when cutting. you just have to know when to eat those carbs. you want your body to use your fat stores as energy instead of carbs. no carbs 4 hours prior to cardio or training. eat the majority of your carbs after training to replenish your glycogen stores. eat more healthy fats than ussual. omega 3 and 6. when your on a low carb diet and training intensely you have to be carefull that you dont go into a catabolic state. especially at night. before you go to bed have a shake with 5-10g of fiber and 2 tablespoons of flaxseed oil. the healthy fats from the flaxseed oil and the fiber will slow down your digestive system giving you a slow release of protein thruout the night.

sure if you cut down your calories and do cardio youll lose weight.sure youll lose bodyfat and a little muscle mass, but the whole point of cutting is not to lose bodyfat and a little muscle. the point of cutting is to lose NO muscle and AS MUCH bodyfat as you possibly can. in order to do this you need to learn how your body works and take advantage of it. if you do something half assed then your gonna get half assed results.
 
Tom Treutlein said:
Unless you're using gear, you don't need that much protein for anything more than extra cals, which you can get from carb sources for cheaper.
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hes in a cutting phaze so he doesnt want lots of carbs. hes gonna cut carbs in more than half so he needs the calories and amino acids in the extra protein to make sure he doesnt lose any muscle mass while hes dieting. how do you think all the pros shed 40 lbs of fat in 12 weeks while maintaining the same lbm? ask any pro bb and theyll tell you that they double their protein when dieting. you want research? read book after book and article after article by people with phd and university studies. search the net for hours and hours studying weight training, kinesiology, fitness and nutrition. thats what i did. and then thru trial and eror you will learn how to maximise your gains. the way i look at it is if your gonna do something then you gotta do it right. otherwise theres no point.
 
Tom Treutlein said:
Show me research that states you ever need that much amount of protein. Unless you're using gear, you don't need that much protein for anything more than extra cals, which you can get from carb sources for cheaper.
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bro the only research i got is myself as well as someone who has competed and knows what it takes to add size and break plateaus..its not a money issue..if youre sub 200 you should try adding more protein its highly anabolic..everyone must read the same research as you since they are unwilling to jack up the protein...food for thought
 
Last question: I calculated my BMR using the more exact formula which factored in activity level. After finding that it said about 2300-2400 cals a day was suitable for cutting.

Does this sound right?
 
Wow, you people are really pretty sad. No where does any research show that 2g/lb. of protein is useful, besides adding extra calories. You know from personal experience? You have empirical evidence to prove this? What you witnessed was probably extra caloric intake. The fact that it came from protein means naught.

Justjacked, cutting phase or not, you don't need to cut carbs. That's a fucking myth. You apparently didn't scour the net enough, or find any credible sources. Understand math at all? Then understand this: CALORIES IN < CALORIES OUT = WEIGHT LOSS. It's not fucking rocket science. The only time a more advance approach would be needed would be to get to single digit bodyfat levels, and IT here only wants to hit 10-11%. That being so, he'll be fine with a basic cutting diet.

And was there a point in even trying to tell me he's cutting? And why would you listen to a pro bodybuilder? Anabolics will help add mass to anything. I wouldn't use them as prime examples.

http://www.hypertrophy-specific.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=13;t=23
 
InTraining said:
Last question: I calculated my BMR using the more exact formula which factored in activity level. After finding that it said about 2300-2400 cals a day was suitable for cutting.

Does this sound right?
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It really depends. My metabolism is slow and if I eat my bmr I never lose fat...
I eat less then the bmr so you take in less then you're burning , make protein the abundant macronutrient 1g/lb IS enough. I cannot see a reason to eat 2g/lb while cutting. I would like to see documentation or atleast a guy who was 20% bodyfat or more and got down to 7% or less eating that much. I bet the individual does not exist. Anyway, Slow digesting complex carbs, and nuts olive oil for fats and !BAM! , it melts off.

We need to remember the subject is cutting, you wouldn't have a cutting diet if you going into a powerlifting competition. The idea is to cut and then figure out how to adjust the diet or what fat buurners to take to. Clen is anti-catabolic. That is why I suggested clen + ketotifen as you can use this fat burner + anticatabolic 6-8 weeks instead of the normal 2.

Trex + levorex have allowed me to eat less and focus in on cutting. acetyl-l-carnitine I believe has anti-catabolic function as well. All those products have it.

Enough from me
 
Tom Treutlein said:
Wow, you people are really pretty sad. No where does any research show that 2g/lb. of protein is useful, besides adding extra calories. You know from personal experience? You have empirical evidence to prove this? What you witnessed was probably extra caloric intake. The fact that it came from protein means naught.

Justjacked, cutting phase or not, you don't need to cut carbs. That's a fucking myth. You apparently didn't scour the net enough, or find any credible sources. Understand math at all? Then understand this: CALORIES IN < CALORIES OUT = WEIGHT LOSS. It's not fucking rocket science. The only time a more advance approach would be needed would be to get to single digit bodyfat levels, and IT here only wants to hit 10-11%. That being so, he'll be fine with a basic cutting diet.

And was there a point in even trying to tell me he's cutting? And why would you listen to a pro bodybuilder? Anabolics will help add mass to anything. I wouldn't use them as prime examples.

http://www.hypertrophy-specific.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=13;t=23
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dude im so fucking tired of you...sad is the fact that your 175 soaking wet and telling me 2g/lb is not needed..im not suggesting intraining needs 2g to cut..how many fucking times do we have to revert to the HST sticky..i dont give a shit what hst says..yes it works fine great open your damn eyes...if someone doesnt post something that jives with HST you tell them how wrong they are and im pretty damn tired of it..you need to realize that there are more ways to do things than HST...I know of people that have failed on a traditional WSB routine and im talking about a professional PL who has totaled elite..My point is you have to find what works for you and you need to realize while HST is a viable method the training/diet wols doesnt revolve around it..so get of your high horse little man :rolleyes:
 
gjohnson5 said:
my I cannot see a reason to eat 2g/lb while cutting. I would like to see documentation or atleast a guy who was 20% bodyfat or more and got down to 7% or less eating that much. I bet the individual does not exist.
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Me. November 10 i was 21%bf at 175lbs. now im 10%bf at 196lbs. NO AAS. did this naturaly. Do the math, thats some pretty good gains. i should be at 7-8% in 3-4 weeks. youd be surprised how much bodyfat you can lose while gaining muscle mass. you just have to know how much to eat and when to eat. you cant just cut down your cals and expect to lose weight. this is bs. i was in prison for a year and they fed us 1500-1600 cals a day and i got fat as hell. the whole point of training is to get good gains not shitty gains. in order to do this you need to learn the science behind it.
 
Aww, boo-hoo, you're tired of me fatty? Well that's too bad. A forum is open to fucking arguement and discussion, so deal with it or get out of here. Just 'cause I'm 175 lbs. "soaking wet" :rolleyes: doesn't mean shit. One's size has nothing to do with their knowledge on a subject.

I still call you out on it - show me something that shows you need 2g/lb. for anything. Bulking or cutting. Your body won't assimilate much more than 1g/lb., unless of course you use anabolics.

Don't get all pissy 'cause your fat ass can't comprehend science. You don't give a shit what HST says? Alright, well I'd rather listen to a site with research backing it. Who the fuck gives a shit what your fat ass says? Sugarplum? :rolleyes: Fuck off, big man.

EDIT: Oh, also cockmunch, I posted to the HST website, but the post has to do with diet, cutting, bulking, and deals with macronutrients. It has nothing to do with HST, which is really a set of fucking principles than anything. So don't relate it to me supporting HST - has nothing to do with that. If the fucking link for that information was on any other site, I would have posted it as well. :coffee:
 
Tom Treutlein said:
I'm 175 lbs. "soaking wet" ::
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Well this explaines it all. youve probably been this weight for years and you will never grow with your "knowledge". you read one fucking article and you think you know everything. you talk about science but i just explained the science behind it. ill break it down it simpler terms for you ok? here we go, ready? when you are cutting carbs drasticaly(this means alot) you need to up your protein intake ohterwise you will lose muscle mass. you want your body to use fat as energy NOT muscle.

just because your frustrated that you cant get big and ripped dont come on here trashing peoples posts. take some advice and try it. you never know you might get jacked too. but i doubt it with your attitude.
 
Tom Treutlein said:
Aww, boo-hoo, you're tired of me fatty? Well that's too bad. A forum is open to fucking arguement and discussion, so deal with it or get out of here. Just 'cause I'm 175 lbs. "soaking wet" :rolleyes: doesn't mean shit. One's size has nothing to do with their knowledge on a subject.

I still call you out on it - show me something that shows you need 2g/lb. for anything. Bulking or cutting. Your body won't assimilate much more than 1g/lb., unless of course you use anabolics.

Don't get all pissy 'cause your fat ass can't comprehend science. You don't give a shit what HST says? Alright, well I'd rather listen to a site with research backing it. Who the fuck gives a shit what your fat ass says? Sugarplum? :rolleyes: Fuck off, big man.

EDIT: Oh, also cockmunch, I posted to the HST website, but the post has to do with diet, cutting, bulking, and deals with macronutrients. It has nothing to do with HST, which is really a set of fucking principles than anything. So don't relate it to me supporting HST - has nothing to do with that. If the fucking link for that information was on any other site, I would have posted it as well. :coffee:
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well why are you dragging SP in this? anyway your dream has come true
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=371992
madcow is porlly one of the smartest people to come on here since ive been here ( not very long) but im sure its people like you who will chase him away
unsubscribed!!!!
 
Tom Treutlein said:
Aww, boo-hoo, you're tired of me fatty? Well that's too bad. A forum is open to fucking arguement and discussion, so deal with it or get out of here. Just 'cause I'm 175 lbs. "soaking wet" :rolleyes: doesn't mean shit. One's size has nothing to do with their knowledge on a subject.

I still call you out on it - show me something that shows you need 2g/lb. for anything. Bulking or cutting. Your body won't assimilate much more than 1g/lb., unless of course you use anabolics.

Don't get all pissy 'cause your fat ass can't comprehend science. You don't give a shit what HST says? Alright, well I'd rather listen to a site with research backing it. Who the fuck gives a shit what your fat ass says? Sugarplum? :rolleyes: Fuck off, big man.

EDIT: Oh, also cockmunch, I posted to the HST website, but the post has to do with diet, cutting, bulking, and deals with macronutrients. It has nothing to do with HST, which is really a set of fucking principles than anything. So don't relate it to me supporting HST - has nothing to do with that. If the fucking link for that information was on any other site, I would have posted it as well. :coffee:
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You're a fag dude - the quintessential example of someone who reads a lot, but has minimal practial knowledge.
 
TOM.. you're WAYYYYY too young and inexperienced to run your mouth off about diet and training.
wait till you're out of your teens, then talk shit.
 
IT you're like 220 at 15% or something right?

what worked for me last time to get down to whatever is in my gallery pic from last year was carbs for the first 2 meals (2 bowls of oats ONLY), shitloads of veggies, meat every meal for 50gs protien, no shakes and lots of healthy fats.. cardio was 1-2 hours walking in the evening and workouts were as usual.

its not that tough to get down to 12%ish, stay focused :)
 
BOOEY said:
You're a fag dude - the quintessential example of someone who reads a lot, but has minimal practial knowledge.
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exactly
 
First off, age has nothing to do with it. I'm sure the jump from 19 to 20 would change much, right? You know, because that really determines a damn thing. Doesn't take too long to accumulate enough knowledge on this stuff. So, Sugarplum, fuck you.

Booey - 'fag'? Man, you're lowering yourself to my level. Come on, now say 'cockmunch'. Jesus, I haven't heard anyone try and sling the word 'fag' around since fucking middle school. Wow. :FRlol: This is hilarious.

And still, no one has posted anything to show that the excess protein is little more than just extra calories. People often misunderstand what's happening when they double the protein intake. Your body can only utilize so much. But no, none of you get this. Funny - Sugar and wnt2b, the two people who also couldn't grasp the fucking concept of 'the bigger a muscle is, the more potential it has for strength'. :FRlol: I love you people. I really do. You make my day so much easier.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4054129

Haha ohh man.
 
Tom Treutlein said:
Booey - 'fag'? Man, you're lowering yourself to my level. Come on, now say 'cockmunch'. Jesus, I haven't heard anyone try and sling the word 'fag' around since fucking middle school.


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really? its been a whole year since you heard the word fag?
 
:rolleyes: That the best you've got? If anything, that'd be more a compliment. Being as brilliant and amazing as I am, and just out of middle school? Whew, I'm good!

I've heard the word time and again since then, but haven't heard anyone use it as an insult. That's just juvenile. ;)
 
:FRlol: How deadly! "Bombs" and "red karma" from a bunch of people on an internet forum. :rolleyes: And people call me a kid? Yeah, the 'squad' is here. :FRlol: Oh man, too funny. This reminds me of all those white preppy kids in highschool who all swarm about angrily like fucking insects when one of their "boys" gets "dissed".

Please keep it coming, 'cause I can't stop smiling right now you guys. Some of the most ridiculous shit I've ever heard has come from this site, it's just too funny.
 
:FRlol: I love you all. This is awesome. I wish I didn't have to go to work in an hour. ;_; I'm gonna go cry now, 'cause all my peeps bombed me and gave me red. Lordy lord, no!

So no one can read this?
So no one can understand that sugarplum is very far from good looking?
Or that wnt2b is pathetic for e-flirting with her every chance his fat ass gets?

Too bad. ;)
 
hamstershaver said:
i cant read what you are posting its blacked out, sucks to be you FAG
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nobody wants to read what this moron has to say, but if you want a good laugh you can read it by high lighting it with your mouth. it turns blue and you can read it.
 
"I love you all. This is awesome. I wish I didn't have to go to work in an hour. ;_; I'm gonna go cry now, 'cause all my peeps bombed me and gave me red. Lordy lord, no!

So no one can read this?
So no one can understand that sugarplum is very far from good looking?
Or that wnt2b is pathetic for e-flirting with her every chance his fat ass gets?

Too bad.

Online!" -posted by tom treutlien the moron.

they can read it now fuckhead!
 
Can ya'll say locked.

One word of advice to those who are slinging insults, and there are plenty doing so, is don't bring this bs to the training board!!!!!!!!!!!!

Learn from each other, debate each other, but don't use insults.
 
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