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Minimizing Hair Loss During Cycle ? Recommendations?
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sundevil04
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you have a very tricky situation using test and a nadrolone. If you were just using test you could use all kinds of preventative measures specifically, topical dht blockers like alzeic acid or spironolactone along with nizoral shampoo and polysorbate 80 shampoo rotated eod and a pill like propecia (finasteride). Since you are also using a nadrolone many of these preventative measures will prove to be counterproductive since nanrolone causes hairloss through dhn not dht like test. Many people report increased hairloss when they use those preventative measures with a nanrolone based drug, I have also seen studies supporting this but dont have any on hand. If hairloss is a big concern you'd be better off goinf with straight test and using the preventative measures
heavyweightchamp
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It's almost like deciding should I be the skinny pretty boy with hair or the badass monster who shaved his head because he didnt have an ounce left, No happy medium and once you make that decision to go BIG and lose the hair there's no turning back! It's like when youre bulking you wanna be ripped and when youre ripped for the summer or a competition you feel small, same thing applies to getting freaky big and tryin to keep your hair.
macrophage69alpha
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nizoral eod
nioxin eod (or other hair friendly formula- there are several)
nioxin eod (or other hair friendly formula- there are several)
jacshelb
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I'm serious about this as I've had a similar problem. You aren't supposed to use dutasteride or finasteride with deca or tren, right? So, I, like Omega said to, keep my test low enough and also use formestane. It is an anti- e but also is said to help with dht problems with prostate and hair. And, all I know is that it seems to have made the difference for me. I haven't lost hair on cycle since starting to use it. It is a chemical relative to exemestane, perhaps a person would have similar luck using that as injectible formestane is hard to come by. Anyhow, good luck! I also like polysorbate 80 shampoo and minoxidil (they don't conflict with anything!).
Jacob
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I think mine was temp....on drol i was producing more oil than iraq...every hour my forehead and nose would be glistening.......fuching shit, ill save it for cutting ONLY at 50mg a day. I use Nizoral and nioxin ED, im also cutting down on shampooing to once daily. I was also taking lots of marcian puriens (L-Dopa supplement) which has been known to cause hairloss. Up the B-vitamins, take a silicon supplement (biosil) and panth-acid.
I think i have telogen arrest, all the hairs that fall out have little keratin bulbs on the end.
I think spiro is ok becasue it block andro receptors, not 5-AR reduction to DHT.
I have yet to read anywhere that nandrolone is seriously hard on the scalp, considering its way less androgenic than test.......so im unsure wether or not to belive all the "no 5-AR blockers on nandrolones"!
I think i have telogen arrest, all the hairs that fall out have little keratin bulbs on the end.
I think spiro is ok becasue it block andro receptors, not 5-AR reduction to DHT.
I have yet to read anywhere that nandrolone is seriously hard on the scalp, considering its way less androgenic than test.......so im unsure wether or not to belive all the "no 5-AR blockers on nandrolones"!
mr. snakes
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OxyMoron said:I'm about to start next cycle of sust/deca.
I noticed on a similar cycle ealier this year that I lost more hair than the usual aging loss. Is there any way to maintain some of my folicle dignity?
Over the counter products? Online products?
http://www.wholesalehairproducts.com/
jerichohill
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I have 2 sites that will give you everything you need for hairloss.
1. www.drproctor.com
2. www.hairsite4.com
L8R, J
1. www.drproctor.com
2. www.hairsite4.com
L8R, J
sundevil04
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I've never read anywhere that a nadrolone alone is hard on hair but I have read that nandrolone + finasteride is hard on the scalp. why? I have no idea. nandrolones alone should be very easy on the scalp but not on mr. winky hence the addition of test which calls for the use of finasteride to protect the scalp...double edged sword the way I understand it.bigrand said:
Ive heard that nandrolone itself is harder on the scalp than dihydronandrolone (what you get once it is 5A reduced). If you take a 5AR inhibitor with nandrolones, you dont get the reduction to DHN and you have more free nandrolone, which is harder on the scalp. MAcro told me it is not as hard as DHT or free test, but harder then DHN.
I actually think it shouldnt be a problem while on nandrolone.....if your on nandrolone with another light androgen (var, tbol), then your natty test will be shut down and you wont need a 5AR anyway.
I havent read the actual studied of activity in the scalp of DHN and nandrolone, so im taking others word.
I actually think it shouldnt be a problem while on nandrolone.....if your on nandrolone with another light androgen (var, tbol), then your natty test will be shut down and you wont need a 5AR anyway.
I havent read the actual studied of activity in the scalp of DHN and nandrolone, so im taking others word.
macrophage69alpha
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accurate 
sundevil04
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so a deca test cycle pretty much out of the question if hairlosss is a big concern since the finasteride would increase the loss caused by the nanrolone but is necessary to prevent the loss caused by the test?
c3bodybuilding
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BUMP, I'm curious too. I have a thick ass rug that wouldn't move in a hurricane, but I am running finastride right now for it's other benefits. I'm also running a low dose of deca (300) with 1,250mgs of test. Should I drop the finastride?
Before, i would say drop it if you arent prone to MPB, but after a few years and several cycles (first few with test and dbol) i out of the blue started shedding a couple months ago with no MPB in the family.....maybe ive mutated. My FSH levels are within range, still waiting on the other results.
Hate to say it, but after about 2-3 weeks, im STILL shedding, even with the niox and niz ED...this is bullshit........maybe my NPP is DHT 8-D!
How long does it take for the DHT to clear out of the blood?....im still shut down from whatever im taking, so im not producing any naturally, so i shouldnt be having a DHT problem...
The NPP is the ONLY NEW AAS i was running (ive run drol before, but not at 120mg ED, and still didnt notice any shedding, several cycles of dbol as well), i dont know how else this could be happening. I stopped all orals 2+ weeks ago. I dont see how with no family history i all of a sudden start shedding like this, especially when i stopped the orals which didnt cause problems before. I mean you dont just get the MPB gene out of the blue!
Any good sites to order soy isoflavone supplements? One of them is converted to a molecule that BINDS DHT in the blood, i could use that.
Unless i have telogen effevium (sp) and then i dont know what i would do.
Macro, anyone, advice? Im not too stressed at the moment, ive been worse and didnt have hairloss.
Hate to say it, but after about 2-3 weeks, im STILL shedding, even with the niox and niz ED...this is bullshit........maybe my NPP is DHT 8-D!
How long does it take for the DHT to clear out of the blood?....im still shut down from whatever im taking, so im not producing any naturally, so i shouldnt be having a DHT problem...
The NPP is the ONLY NEW AAS i was running (ive run drol before, but not at 120mg ED, and still didnt notice any shedding, several cycles of dbol as well), i dont know how else this could be happening. I stopped all orals 2+ weeks ago. I dont see how with no family history i all of a sudden start shedding like this, especially when i stopped the orals which didnt cause problems before. I mean you dont just get the MPB gene out of the blue!
Any good sites to order soy isoflavone supplements? One of them is converted to a molecule that BINDS DHT in the blood, i could use that.
Unless i have telogen effevium (sp) and then i dont know what i would do.
Macro, anyone, advice? Im not too stressed at the moment, ive been worse and didnt have hairloss.
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i actually cut the niz to EOD or E3D and run the nioxin ED. I think i have telogen effluvium, in that case, i have to just wait it out.
I see tiny white hairs where the others fell out. It is just a screw up where hairs go into resting phase when they arent supposed to and they fall out (they have white bulbs on the end of the hairs), but they are replaced. Ususally it occurs spontaneously after some major stressor or hormone imbalance (hypothyroid).
I see tiny white hairs where the others fell out. It is just a screw up where hairs go into resting phase when they arent supposed to and they fall out (they have white bulbs on the end of the hairs), but they are replaced. Ususally it occurs spontaneously after some major stressor or hormone imbalance (hypothyroid).
bbkingpin
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Did you do any massive partying (coke?) or other things known to cause TE by a shock to the system? If its TE, in 2-3 months you'll be fine. Unless it is spots of skin (not thinning but smooth scalp) showing up either in the crown or the temples, there's a good chance it's TE.
Well, im pretty much counting out MPB since there is no fam history and have used test and dbol for years with zero shedding, this happened out of the blue, stopped drol and dbol over 2-3 weeks ago and was taking NPP. All hairs have the white bulb on them. It seems to be occuring on the top of my head the most, but also on the sides, i do see tinny white hairs on the temples coming back in (good sign)
I had a bad cough and was a little sickly the first few months of the year (i was on tren and anadrol, tren made me sick, cutting, i lost about 30lbs in about 1-1/2 months) then i finally kicked the cough, and ive been stressing about graduating and other things. I just dont see how it could be DHT, im using niz and niox and im shutdown from the NPP so i shouldnt even have DHT in the system!
Im guessing TE
I had a bad cough and was a little sickly the first few months of the year (i was on tren and anadrol, tren made me sick, cutting, i lost about 30lbs in about 1-1/2 months) then i finally kicked the cough, and ive been stressing about graduating and other things. I just dont see how it could be DHT, im using niz and niox and im shutdown from the NPP so i shouldnt even have DHT in the system!
Im guessing TE
jerichohill
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What is TE? Sorry I have to memorize so many abbreviations at work.
L8R, J
L8R, J
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sundevil04
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could you explain this a little further in depth, I am 25 y/o and have receded pretty drastically in the temporals but have never used any AS, although I did notice that my hairloss started when I began partying too much in college (x and coke) and more or less stopped after I stopped partying. Is this "TE" whatever that is?BBkingpin said:
Ok, TE (telogen effluvium) is a condition where a large % of hairs go into the resting phase when they arent supposed to. Normally, only about 10% are resting, but after a "tramatic incedent" (surgery, hormone flux, hypothyroidism, certain meds, severe stress, illness), about 20-30% go into resting phase (telogen)....after about 2-3 months, those resting hairs will fall out (shedding much more than normal) for about 2-3 months....they are being replaced by new growing hairs. The onset is sudden, not liek MPB....ive never shed from test...but within the last 1-2 months, i have seen a drastic change in my hair loss, quite noticable, typical of TE
Most TE hairs lost also have a white keratin bulb on the end. You may also loose body hair (my chest hair has gotten thinner).
If you have had thinning over a period of time in the temporal regions, its most likely a receding hairline (MPB), TE is abrupt.
AS far as the nizoral, it blocks the DHT from binding to the folicle....its not a 5-alpha reductase inhibitor like finasteride.....the one you shouldnt take with nandrolones.
Most TE hairs lost also have a white keratin bulb on the end. You may also loose body hair (my chest hair has gotten thinner).
If you have had thinning over a period of time in the temporal regions, its most likely a receding hairline (MPB), TE is abrupt.
AS far as the nizoral, it blocks the DHT from binding to the folicle....its not a 5-alpha reductase inhibitor like finasteride.....the one you shouldnt take with nandrolones.
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