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Microsoft source code leaked

I don't understand technically what this means, but it seems as though this is a rather big deal. Can someone explain to me source code (in general) and why it was so secret?
 
the code is what is compiled to become the actual operating system

it's so secret because that's their product

now anyone who gets a hold of the code can steal the fruit of their labor and incorporate it into their own product for free
 
gotcha...I guess that is big, not to mention the security threat also. I didn't realize that the code was secret, I thought it was already common knowledge. Shows how much I know about that kind of stuff!
 
And here come the viruses specifically written to rape all the holes in the NT4 kernel.
 
Technically even with compiled programs and their dlls, you have "the code" but it is not easily readable (you have to know assembly/machine code).

Having easily readable code just makes it that much easier to peruse.

Having the code out might scare them, but it isn't that big a deal. Linux is entirely open source, as is FreeBSD and it is still secure (well, FreeBSD is) and reliable - more so than the closed source Windows.
 
Wow, this shit hit my alerts hard. I love when people use my name lots in threads.

OMGWTFBBQ said:
Technically even with compiled programs and their dlls, you have "the code" but it is not easily readable (you have to know assembly/machine code).

Having easily readable code just makes it that much easier to peruse.

Having the code out might scare them, but it isn't that big a deal. Linux is entirely open source, as is FreeBSD and it is still secure (well, FreeBSD is) and reliable - more so than the closed source Windows.
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Code said:
Wow, this shit hit my alerts hard. I love when people use my name lots in threads.
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LOL

What language and how often does it scan?

Didn't "r00+" the user back in the day have a similar script - or were you both one and the same even though you claimed to be different people on the board at the same time that new each other?
 
OMGWTFBBQ said:
Technically even with compiled programs and their dlls, you have "the code" but it is not easily readable (you have to know assembly/machine code).

Having easily readable code just makes it that much easier to peruse.

Having the code out might scare them, but it isn't that big a deal. Linux is entirely open source, as is FreeBSD and it is still secure (well, FreeBSD is) and reliable - more so than the closed source Windows.
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yeah but microsoft relies on security through obscurity

open source OS's had the benefit of going through their entire development with security holes being constantly found and reported

with windows you get a finished product that did not have such an extensive level of review

there is the possibility of tons of exploits being discovered on products microsoft does not wish to support anymore, but they'll be forced to develop massive patches or lose tons of credibility
 
Root was a cool dude. We used to work together at a start-up, but then that was when start-ups were cool.


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OMGWTFBBQ said:


LOL

What language and how often does it scan?

Didn't "r00+" the user back in the day have a similar script - or were you both one and the same even though you claimed to be different people on the board at the same time that new each other?
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PIGEON-RAT said:


yeah but microsoft relies on security through obscurity

open source OS's had the benefit of going through their entire development with security holes being constantly found and reported

with windows you get a finished product that did not have such an extensive level of review

there is the possibility of tons of exploits being discovered on products microsoft does not wish to support anymore, but they'll be forced to develop massive patches or lose tons of credibility
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The code released is relatively small parts of NT4, which is no longer even supported by MS, and again, parts of Win2K - which perhaps are even similar parts.

XP and up have a lot of new code in there, so it is feasible that the code isn't even relevant.
It is also feasible that it exposes something important.
 
Even if the entire source code for XP were released... its upwards of 50 million lines of code.

And security through obscurity is still security. Windows XP when set up properly is just as stable as Unix/Linux

not only that, it supports 100 times the applications and hardware and is 100 times more user friendly.

I dont have some fat ass peice of shit who lives his moms basement, wearing nothing but underwear and a macaroni and cheese stained "Quake I PWNS" t-shirt to rely on for support.


The fact is that is Unix/Linux were capable of supporting even HALF of the options that Windows does... its be so full of fucking holes it would make swiss cheese envious.
 
Wow, I don't even know where to begin to dispute this... like a kid in a candy store.

1.) Linux/unix doesn't support half the MS products because it doesn't have to. Most of the buggy shit MS releases is an attempt to duplicate something that already exists in the high-end server world. For instance: ActiveDirectory == LDAP

2.) XP, still being based on NT4 kernel is indeed more stable than NT or Win2k, this does NOT make it as stable as say Suse. And no where NEARING the stability of FreeBSD.

Windows *IS* swiss cheese my friend.

Milo Hobgoblin said:
Windows XP when set up properly is just as stable as Unix/Linux

The fact is that is Unix/Linux were capable of supporting even HALF of the options that Windows does... its be so full of fucking holes it would make swiss cheese envious.
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Why do you always type your reply over the person's quote?



Code said:
Wow, this shit hit my alerts hard. I love when people use my name lots in threads.
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So you are not a bottom?


Liar!

Code said:
I'm a dominant person, I guess.
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Milo Hobgoblin said:
Even if the entire source code for XP were released... its upwards of 50 million lines of code.

And security through obscurity is still security. Windows XP when set up properly is just as stable as Unix/Linux

not only that, it supports 100 times the applications and hardware and is 100 times more user friendly.

I dont have some fat ass peice of shit who lives his moms basement, wearing nothing but underwear and a macaroni and cheese stained "Quake I PWNS" t-shirt to rely on for support.


The fact is that is Unix/Linux were capable of supporting even HALF of the options that Windows does... its be so full of fucking holes it would make swiss cheese envious.
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LOL

translation: "I don't know much about computers."

Nothing wrong with that.
 
I completely disagree, XP uses portions of the NT4 Kernel... but has been rewritten in its majority.

XP is considerably more stable than 2000, which is considerably more stable than NT4

And I wasnt referring to MS products alone... I was referring to the THOUSANDS of Vendors who write wonderful products for the Windows environment. Most of which work very well... most of which thousands of corporations use to work with every day.

Are you going to tell me you've never crashed Linux? If you do, you're a liar...

Im NOT saying Windows XP is bulletproof, but I am saying its just as secure as Linux or Unix when set up properly.

And one of the MAIN reasons Linux/Unix will NEVER compete with XP is the attitude that it doesnt have to do all those things.

Consumers want them... they dont want some arcane crap supported by a bunch of smug , asshole geeks. Unfortunately thats what you get with Linux/Unix.

Dont beleive me? Go to a Linux/Unix users board and act like a total noob asking some basic questions... see how bad you get flamed and all the attitude you get.

If someone were to magically rewrite Linux tomorrow so that OUT OF THE BOX it supported the SAME LEVEL of Hardware/Software that Windows XP does... it would be infinitely more fragile than XP.


I always hear that exact same arguement... "it doesnt have to"

well the marketplace has spoken... and yes it does.

Why do you think that Linux is working so hard to become more user friendly and include more options/plugins out of the box with all these "flavors" (stupid fucking term).

Because all those companies like Red Hat and Caldera know what people want.

and as time goes by... it will become more fragile and more unsecure as it opens itself up with all the additional app support and GUI support people clamor for.


DOnt be a zealot... you know just as well as I do that considering how versatile XP is... its VERy god damn secure and VERy stable.

No OS in the world is even in the same universe as XP when it comes to overall functionality.


The simple fact is this... and Code you KNOW this is true. If ANYONE is on the wire... no matter what OS they are using... they are unsecure and CAN be hacked one way or another. You can only hold them off so long.

EVERY OS has been hacked to death thousands of times, EVERY OS has problems with Virus's (well except maybe MAC but thats because no one gives a shit and isnt going to bother writing one... thats like writing a virus to infect toasters)
 
I use XP, makes a great desktop in a work environment.
I'm far from a unix/linux zealot.

90% of the products made by 3rd party vendors fall into the edutainment category. Damn near everything that is considered "enterprise" is cross platform linux/windows. So I'm not sure what products you're refering to.

If we're talking about services and RFC's (you know core concepts that make the internet and networked services work), Microsoft is WAAAAAAAYYYYYY behind the 8-ball.

Have I crashed a linux box? Yes, but not when running through a typical day using typical apps (like Open Office and GIMP). Linux/unix, unless there's a serious problem with how the app accessed RAM, will generally crash the app, not the system. Whereas windows always seems to have kernel handlers staying in RAM, thus making the OS crash and not the app. Now XP has made great strides in fixing this, but I still crash my desktop about 2-3x a month.

Linux will never get a huge market penetration as a desktop, and linux distros don't try to market their stuff as such. They target the high-end server vertical trying to get support contracts.

No one is saying linux/unix will be a great desktop. No one distributes games for them, and thats why consumers BUY MS products, to play games. And linux/unix doesn't have/want a wide game market penetration. Not saying that the linux distros *COULD* over-take this market if they wanted to, just that they don't look to this multi-billion dollar niche for revenue.

Desktop OS == game engines.

Linux/unix OWNS the server market and will continue to do so for a looooooooooooooong loooooooooooooong time.



Milo Hobgoblin said:
I completely disagree, XP uses portions of the NT4 Kernel... but has been rewritten in its majority.

XP is considerably more stable than 2000, which is considerably more stable than NT4

And I wasnt referring to MS products alone... I was referring to the THOUSANDS of Vendors who write wonderful products for the Windows environment. Most of which work very well... most of which thousands of corporations use to work with every day.

Are you going to tell me you've never crashed Linux? If you do, you're a liar...

Im NOT saying Windows XP is bulletproof, but I am saying its just as secure as Linux or Unix when set up properly.

And one of the MAIN reasons Linux/Unix will NEVER compete with XP is the attitude that it doesnt have to do all those things.

Consumers want them... they dont want some arcane crap supported by a bunch of smug , asshole geeks. Unfortunately thats what you get with Linux/Unix.

Dont beleive me? Go to a Linux/Unix users board and act like a total noob asking some basic questions... see how bad you get flamed and all the attitude you get.

If someone were to magically rewrite Linux tomorrow so that OUT OF THE BOX it supported the SAME LEVEL of Hardware/Software that Windows XP does... it would be infinitely more fragile than XP.


I always hear that exact same arguement... "it doesnt have to"

well the marketplace has spoken... and yes it does.

Why do you think that Linux is working so hard to become more user friendly and include more options/plugins out of the box with all these "flavors" (stupid fucking term).

Because all those companies like Red Hat and Caldera know what people want.

and as time goes by... it will become more fragile and more unsecure as it opens itself up with all the additional app support and GUI support people clamor for.


DOnt be a zealot... you know just as well as I do that considering how versatile XP is... its VERy god damn secure and VERy stable.

No OS in the world is even in the same universe as XP when it comes to overall functionality.


The simple fact is this... and Code you KNOW this is true. If ANYONE is on the wire... no matter what OS they are using... they are unsecure and CAN be hacked one way or another. You can only hold them off so long.

EVERY OS has been hacked to death thousands of times, EVERY OS has problems with Virus's (well except maybe MAC but thats because no one gives a shit and isnt going to bother writing one... thats like writing a virus to infect toasters)
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Milo Hobgoblin said:
LOL OMGWTFBBQ... yes because i dont buy into that Linux crap... I dont know anything about computers.

How old are you?
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How old am I?

Is this the start off some pathetic internet taunt?
I'm 28 and I assure you that I know more about anything than you could ever comprehend and if you even try to start anything I will flex my brain so hard at you that you will instantly shit yourself.

That said, I would probably enjoy it.

I'm currently a network admin and I hate it. I am also a high level programmer and I assure you that I know more about security, programming and OSes than you.

It is fine if you think XP is better than Unix - but I just want to point out that it just shows you know fuck all about computers :)
 
I wanted to address this issue seperately because it's a common belief and even common amongst security "gurus".

A machine is only as secure as the needs/wants of the user on the machine. For instance, if you insist on playing stick death games and bejeweled you're leaving yourself open to attack.

But the belief that simply because you're online doesn't mean you're vulnerable to attack. It means you are way more vulnerable than if you WEREN'T online, but that's specious nowadays. Not being online for a business is death.


You are as vulnerable as you allow yourself to be.
Taking me as a classic "paranoid", security minded person:

I use 3 factor authentication for local AND remote access to my Personal machines. 3 factor authentication == something you know(password), something you have(smart card) and something you are(fingerprints).

I only allow the following services onto my browsing machine (which is in my DMZ) http, https and isakmp. I do not enable java script, activx...well, I only allow text and jpgs to keep the list short.

I run TripWire on all my machines that will run it (apple does not have a release for this). I run nagios, snort, junkbuster and solar winds to monitor my home network.

I use XP for games, period. At work I use XP to interface with component of our network that require it, for instance I use XP AdminPack for general administration of the DFS and AD users.

But I'm an extreme example.




Milo Hobgoblin said:
IThe simple fact is this... and Code you KNOW this is true. If ANYONE is on the wire... no matter what OS they are using... they are unsecure and CAN be hacked one way or another. You can only hold them off so long.

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I just dont see it...

Two of the major corporations we support use MS 2000 and 2003 servers for 90% of their file/app support. Unix boxes are only used for older apps ... (some ancient Geographic utilities and mapping stuff) and thats the ONLY thing they do. Most people do even attempt to set up a Unix machine around here for mroe than one solitary purpose. (We have approx 450 servers total.. 90% being MS boxes of some type)

I think the problem here is setup. We just dont see the problems you elude to... maybe its the way I build the images and the testing we put our boxes through. We DONT use vendor apps (like compaq management utilites or IBM access tools)

We hammer the shit out of our vendors and have highly supported builds. I honestly dont remember the last time I crashed a box through typical daily use.

The majority of problems we have in our environment are issues related to logon problems because of Active Directory and all of the policies. Netowork logons take much longer... but no one crashes because of it. (most of this is bandwidth related to branch offices)

I work in a lab... our main job is image creation and engineering for every platform, remote services and certification and engineering of applications in a windows environments. ( I do the image creation and engineering part)

We have over 700 apps... and on XP boxes... blue screens are almost unheard of... Apps crash occasionally... but it isnt XP doing it.. its usually because some clown down in the App dept. wrote some crap that leaks like a siv.

Considering the amount of turture we put these things through... they just dont crash that often.

As a matter of fact... the last blue screen I remember seeing was because some clown tried installing my D510 image on an XW6000.

.... but all this points to what Ive said before... XP HAS to be set up properly and many companies hire boneheads to do this kind of work... and people blame the OS.

Ill be the first to admit... that the people who usually work on Unix/Linux type boxces are experts and dont make as many "dummy" mistakes... but thats not the OS's fault.
 
Well OMG I bow to your "l33+n355"

another programmer with a very large head. We have dozens of guys that sound EXACTLY like you... I know because every time one of them calls us to fix his PC... which he fucked up beyond repair... he tells us how smart he is.


I dont know fuck all about code anymore. And I certainly dont memorize shit.

I simply make computers work. Its a job. Period... and Im not going to brag about it.


The reaosn I asked about your age... is because you smugness in relatiion to you "leet" skills smacks of immaturity.
 
OMGWTFBBQ said:



I'm 28 and I assure you that I know more about anything than you could ever comprehend and if you even try to start anything I will flex my brain so hard at you that you will instantly shit yourself.
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:elephant:

next thing you know I'll say I'm Mexican or something.

I was just fucking around with you dude. While I do think that I am head and shoulders above you in the cognitive world, I don't particularly care one way or the other how you feel about XP - I just like taunting you so that you write out a bunch more shit on it.

as for me being immature - I have two words for you:

you are

:elephant:

Milo Hobgoblin said:
Well OMG I bow to your "l33+n355"

another programmer with a very large head. We have dozens of guys that sound EXACTLY like you... I know because every time one of them calls us to fix his PC... which he fucked up beyond repair... he tells us how smart he is.


I dont know fuck all about code anymore. And I certainly dont memorize shit.

I simply make computers work. Its a job. Period... and Im not going to brag about it.


The reaosn I asked about your age... is because you smugness in relatiion to you "leet" skills smacks of immaturity.
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Milo Hobgoblin said:

The reaosn I asked about your age... is because you smugness in relatiion to you "leet" skills smacks of immaturity.
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You haven't read to many of OMGWTFBBQ's posts have you? Take a gander... you'll understand. OMG will gobble you up.
 
I just finished mounting /your/mom and my balls still itch from her crabby chooch.

supersizeme said:
i just finished mounting /var/opt/ignite and now we are both holding each other and smoking cigarettes
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............

"While I do think that I am head and shoulders above you in the cognitive world"


Thats a fair trade for the real world.


and no jh1 I dont pay much attention to his posts... but you're more than welcome to keep worshipping him. Maybe you two can meet up in RL and discuss how bright you are.
 
Come on Milo, lets hear a rebuttal.

Please. I'm bored and have about an hour until my scan finishes and I can go home.
 
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Milo Hobgoblin said:
"While I do think that I am head and shoulders above you in the cognitive world"


Thats a fair trade for the real world.


and no jh1 I dont pay much attention to his posts... but you're more than welcome to keep worshipping him. Maybe you two can meet up in RL and discuss how bright you are.
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Oh, shit.. I guess I am outta the closet now. You caught me. I worship OMGWTFBBQ. LOL...
 
No rebuttal... time to go home and I got better things to do than post on message boards from there LOL.

I need to go work on my 'cognitive skills'
 
Figures.

Milo Hobgoblin said:
No rebuttal... time to go home and I got better things to do than post on message boards from there LOL.

I need to go work on my 'cognitive skills'
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