"Men Are Not Cost-Effective"

[casavant]

Found this in the library. Here's the blurb:

Men Are Bankrupting Our Country!

Crime costs $300 billion a year, and men outnumber women in prison 94 to 6. Why is it that essentially only men commit crimes? The answer is not unemployment, inadequate housing, poor schools or single mothers; females grow up in the same conditions and are practially crime free. The male hormone, testosterone, may cause aggression but does not necessarily lead to violence. Then why IS crime a masculine statement? MEN ARE NOT COST-EFFECTIVE answers that question as it also provides remedies to stop this great crime wave.


I found it on Amazon, of course: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...8463-7511813?v=glance&s=books#product-details


Anyway, I figured you all would probably like to buy this book since it seems that the author is on the same wavelength as most of the people that post on this board. *ahem*

 

[Lumberg]

It's true, all but maybe the 10% most stable, enlightened, desirable men should be cleaned out of the gene pool.

You see, one man can impregnate many, many women in a short period of time. However once a woman is pregnant she is OOC for nine+ months.

Thus we want a ratio of about 10:1 women to men for ideal breeding and economic conditions.

 

[alien amp pharm]

It's true, all but maybe the 10% most stable, enlightened, desirable men should be cleaned out of the gene pool.

Don't shoot yourself in the foot there buddy.

 

[casavant]

It's true, all but maybe the 10% most stable, enlightened, desirable men should be cleaned out of the gene pool.

You see, one man can impregnate many, many women in a short period of time. However once a woman is pregnant she is OOC for nine+ months.

Thus we want a ratio of about 10:1 women to men for ideal breeding and economic conditions.

As long as I'm one of those guys and I get my own herd to lay pipe with whenever I want.

 

[danielson]

its all womens fault in the end.....they choose to breed in the over agressive features and evey criminal is someones son

the only thing in the world that is mens fault is Y-fronts

 

[Lumberg]

Don't shoot yourself in the foot there buddy.

Far from it my friend. But it appears you are eliminated from contention. Thanks for coming out, buh-bye!

 

[rnch]

As long as I'm one of those guys and I get my own herd to lay pipe with whenever I want.

the ultimate dream of us all!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[casavant]

Ghee, look at this board. Guess who do all the name-calling, bitching, fighting and drama. Guys. You don't see EF women calling each other bitches, and my tits are bigger than yours.

-= nav =-

Neither gender on this board consists of anything close to what could be considered a random sample.

Both sexes are plagued, but you know as well as I do that women are no strangers to bitching, name-calling, backstabbing, and drama. I would have a hard time finding any woman that would disagree with that assertion, for that matter.

I don't think any of this really speaks to the subject of the book, however.

 

[collegiateLifter]

Found this in the library. Here's the blurb:

Men Are Bankrupting Our Country!

Crime costs $300 billion a year, and men outnumber women in prison 94 to 6.

Obviously the current system is not an equal oportunity system and is discriminatory against women. Measures must be taken to alleviate this great disparity so that the prison enviornment can enjoy the benefits of a diverse makeup of peoples.


oh wait, that argument doesn't seem to apply here.

junk stats can show pretty much anything.

Not too mention the assumption that were there no men, crime would remain low, with societal output still high...

one could argue with other some stats, that the same desire that drives many men to crime, drives other men to innovation and great things.

 

[casavant]

Yeah, but for some reason women aren't geeky enough to catfight on the internet. Guys sure take advantage of that anonymous factor. If guys here said shit like this in public -- we'd all be sitting in hospitals from broken bones.

-= nav =-

Women argue and threaten and do everything else on the internet too. Why are you saying they don't?

One of the chicks on this site was threatened in real life by some bitches that she pissed off that were members of the same coupon site, for god's sake.

I don't care much about this issue, nav, but why make a statement that is so obviously wrong and that you have no way whatsoever of backing up?

 

[casavant]

Re: Re: "Men Are Not Cost-Effective"

one could argue with other some stats, that the same desire that drives many men to crime, drives other men to innovation and great things.

This reviewer agrees:

It's easy to discredit this argument on its own small-minded, mercenary terms.

There's already a tax on men. It's called income tax. Men have higher incomes than women, so they already pay much more tax than women. Enough to pay for the social costs of crime, it might be argued. In fact, the same male aggression which causes crime might just be the dynamo which drives our economic growth, creating wealth for both genders. Besides, men are the victims of violent crime more often than women; for example, homicide is the leading killer of black men under 25, is it not?

Even if Stephenson's argument held water, the vast bulk of the book doesn't advance it. The first discussion of the book's thesis occurs on page 360 of 374. I would have expected Stephenson to provide a more detailed proposal for how such a tax scheme might operate. And clear reasons why it's better than the current crimnal justice system.

Sadly, the first 360 pages consist of lurid descriptions of male crime, presumably so we don't forget how wicked men are. I find it frustrating that none of these descriptions are backed up with footnotes or endnotes, but acknowledged in the text, making it very difficult to check Stephenson's facts. (odd for a book written by a woman who is a practising researh psychologist, according to the blurb)

Not that any of the facts are controverisal--we already know men are more violent than women. What Stephenson fails to acknowledge is that the violence takes a toll on men, too; arguably a much higher toll. It's hard not to interpret these 360 pages as simple misandry.

Reducing every social argument to a matter of money dehumanises the debate. In this case, the argument isn't just inhumane, it's badly made.

 

[XBiker]

I don't care much about this issue, nav, but why make a statement that is so obviously wrong and that you have no way whatsoever of backing up?

Cas, where ya been?

That's his normal M.O. when posting...

I have no dislike for good ole' -=NAV=- but the only time he seems to open his mouth is to switch feet.

 

[casavant]

Cas, where ya been?

That's his normal M.O. when posting...

I have no dislike for good ole' -=NAV=- but the only time he seems to open his mouth is to switch feet.

LOL. I know, I know. Sometimes you just wonder what the hell is going on in someone's mind though....I mean, you see that they can type and spell most of their words correctly and they even have some interesting insight into some issues, and then they go and post up totally off-the-wall shit that is almost scary in it's denial and convoluted thinking.

 

[XBiker]

Homeslice might just think the same thing about your "fish heads, fish heads" post.

 

[casavant]

Homeslice might just think the same thing about your "fish heads, fish heads" post.

My dead fish post? No, if I said something like, "You can leave a catfish in a plastic bag in the summer heat for five days and it won't necessarily rot and stink beyond all belief.", it would be akin to the convoluted statements of which I speak.

 

[Lumberg]

I still think we should get rid of 90% of men and that most of the guys here on ELite would make the cut.

Yeah the economy would suffer, les inventions would be made, etc. But we would get MAD LAID!

 

[biteme]

As long as I'm one of those guys and I get my own herd to lay pipe with whenever I want.

That's what I'm talking about. Concubines.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Cas, where ya been?

That's his normal M.O. when posting...

I have no dislike for good ole' -=NAV=- but the only time he seems to open his mouth is to switch feet.

What the

 

[casavant]

That's what I'm talking about. Concubines.

Daaaaamn straight.

 

[casavant]

>is so obviously wrong and that you have no way whatsoever of >backing up?

I read this board everyday. And all i see are grown up men throwing insults and acting like babies. But i'll go check the sewing board and see if they're all bitching and calling names there too.

-= nav =-

LOL. Alright man. I'm not trying to be too much of a bastard. Just pointing something out.

 

[collegiateLifter]

Re: Re: Re: "Men Are Not Cost-Effective"

In this case, the argument isn't just inhumane, it's badly made.

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If you want to look at it in a purely economic terms, I don't personally see the argument as inhumane, but simply utter unsuported garbage.

basic level statistics taught me to see through that lady's entire arguement yet I'm sure a lot of people (generally fem-nazi's) in America would lap it up.

I think everyone should take a couple of years of statistics to get their highschool diploma.


Like this movie "Breastmen" I was watching last night on HBO shows the lives of the 2 docs that introduced implants on a wide scale in America. Showed them getting torn apart for all the "diseases caused by silicone;" a decade and a half later, there's no evidence that silicone in implants causes any of the conditions that these men had were held liable for, costing them millions of $$$ in punitive damage, and possibly even more in business.

 

[Burning_Inside]

maybe the prison system isnt cost effective...(may have been posted already but whatever,.)

 

[john937]

A couple of years ago I passed by a feminist bookstore and noticed the display window:

"The Glass Ceiling" complaining women are bared from upper management and equal pay for equal work
and
"How to Marry a Millionare"

I wonder if the store owner caught the irony of pairing those two books.

 

[collegiateLifter]

A couple of years ago I passed by a feminist bookstore and noticed the display window:

"The Glass Ceiling" complaining women are bared from upper management and equal pay for equal work
and
"How to Marry a Millionare"

I wonder if the store owner caught the irony of pairing those two books.

I'm not even sure if there is a glass ceiling at all these days.... my stats class hinted at some interesting alternative explanations for this 'effect'

 

[Testosterone boy]

Lets not forget that a huge percentage of these incarcerated men are there because they wanted to get laid and a lot of women require drugs before they prostitute themselves out.

Just a thought.