Medical Economics

[javaguru]

Definitely need more Fed involvement....

 

[PICK3]

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[javaguru]

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The FDA kills people.

 

[redsamurai]

i don't have time for a 56 minute either but i'm sure it centers around how corrupt the FDA is and how their overbearing regulations can mitigated with the correct application of sporting event tix and fine establishment dining. There are valid points. Unfortunately there's no alternative. Because even with all these overbearing regulations, comapanies are still getting internally whistleblown and the truth about what goes on in these pieces of shit comes out.

I have zero confidence that if we got rid of the FDA anything would change for the better. In fact we'd probably see more ammonia and chemical byproducts in meat, more heart attacks from medication meant to prevent them etc, etc.

 

[smurf2]

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In typical Java fashion

 

[javaguru]

i don't have time for a 56 minute either but i'm sure it centers around how corrupt the FDA is and how their overbearing regulations can mitigated with the correct application of sporting event tix and fine establishment dining. There are valid points. Unfortunately there's no alternative. Because even with all these overbearing regulations, comapanies are still getting internally whistleblown and the truth about what goes on in these pieces of shit comes out.

I have zero confidence that if we got rid of the FDA anything would change for the better. In fact we'd probably see more ammonia and chemical byproducts in meat, more heart attacks from medication meant to prevent them etc, etc.

You realize that recalls are generally initiated by the producer and not the FDA?

Do you realize the FDA prevents drugs that are approved with a similar process in Europe from being available in the United States because they haven't gone through the specific FDA process?

Here is an interview with Dr. Mary Ruwart


Just for smurf...I love me some smart wiminz...

 

[redsamurai]

You realize that recalls are generally initiated by the producer and not the FDA?

Do you realize the FDA prevents drugs that are approved with a similar process in Europe from being available in the United States because they haven't gone through the specific FDA process?

Here is an interview with Dr. Mary Ruwart


Just for smurf...I love me some smart wiminz...

well yeah cause they got a former employee who's going public with their bullshit. Of course it's "voluntary" otherwise they open themselves up for even more liability. But the FDA can override them at any time, but since if you work for the FDA there's a good chance there's a cushy private sector job waiting for you after your stint there...they typically let the drug companies handle the shit themselves once they find something inappropriate.

On the second point, are you saying that the drugs pass approval in Europe so shouldn't they be fastlaned throught the american approval process?

Since i know nothing about how the euro's go about this I can't really add anything here except to guess what the counterargument would be from someone in the FDA. Should we just let the europeans with their own set of red tape dictate to us our regulatory process's? There's also probably alot of backroom dealing at stake here....the drug companies probably have to grease alot of palms during the whole approval process. SO why should these guys at the FDA care if the euro's approved something? Their palms ain't been greased...where's their cash money?

I don't really know what the answer here is Java, but i know i don't want to ingest drugs from these drug companies sans a rigorous vetting process. If the FDA didn't exist these guys would expand further on the current business model which says some folks are gonna fall over dead from this stuff we're selling....oh well, if ain't past the acceptable limit we're golden on liability.

 

[javaguru]

well yeah cause they got a former employee who's going public with their bullshit. Of course it's "voluntary" otherwise they open themselves up for even more liability. But the FDA can override them at any time, but since if you work for the FDA there's a good chance there's a cushy private sector job waiting for you after your stint there...they typically let the drug companies handle the shit themselves once they find something inappropriate.

On the second point, are you saying that the drugs pass approval in Europe so shouldn't they be fastlaned throught the american approval process?

Since i know nothing about how the euro's go about this I can't really add anything here except to guess what the counterargument would be from someone in the FDA. Should we just let the europeans with their own set of red tape dictate to us our regulatory process's? There's also probably alot of backroom dealing at stake here....the drug companies probably have to grease alot of palms during the whole approval process. SO why should these guys at the FDA care if the euro's approved something? Their palms ain't been greased...where's their cash money?

I don't really know what the answer here is Java, but i know i don't want to ingest drugs from these drug companies sans a rigorous vetting process. If the FDA didn't exist these guys would expand further on the current business model which says some folks are gonna fall over dead from this stuff we're selling....oh well, if ain't past the acceptable limit we're golden on liability.

Ever use juice or another illegal drug provided from a non-FDA regulated source? Killing/injuring your customer base isn't a good business model and EF is a free market site that provides feedback about potentially dangerous sources. About Euro drugs, why does the FDA think their process is better than those across the pond? If you watch the vid she explains how she worked on a drug that could have helped countless people but FDA regulations made it impossible. I'll give you the cliff notes, it was a liver drug but they had no metrics to follow other than biopsies which they considered unacceptable because they are too invasive. Finding new tests and protocols would have delayed development to the point where they would have lost patent protection within a few years of the drugs introduction.

 

[redsamurai]

Ever use juice or another illegal drug provided from a non-FDA regulated source?

yes and it was dumb as shit...lotta these underground labs would go bad overnight and ship out tainted or dirty juice that fucked people up. Only reason we put up with that was because it was a black market only acquisition for us.

Killing/injuring your customer base isn't a good business model and EF is a free market site that provides feedback about potentially dangerous sources.


and that system fails all the time java, what we do here is not something that can nor should be expanded to the general public. We're doing illegal drugs and we knew what kind of sources we have to be dealing with in order to procure these illegal drugs, came with the territory. Sorry i don't want the standards protocols of some of these fly by night labs applied to the drug market as a whole. That shit would last about a month before people demanded back a centralized regulatory body.


About Euro drugs, why does the FDA think their process is better than those across the pond? If you watch the vid she explains how she worked on a drug that could have helped countless people but FDA regulations made it impossible. I'll give you the cliff notes, it was a liver drug but they had no metrics to follow other than biopsies which they considered unacceptable because they are too invasive. Finding new tests and protocols would have delayed development to the point where they would have lost patent protection within a few years of the drugs introduction.

not gonna argue that the FDA isn't flawed....those guys are bought and paid for like almost every other regulatory body within our govt. Americans are just by and large corrupt at heart, that's something all of us really need to come to grips with. Americans are not to be trusted whether they're in govt or private sector. What has to be found is the best system that mediates said genetic corruption.

 

[javaguru]

not gonna argue that the FDA isn't flawed....those guys are bought and paid for like almost every other regulatory body within our govt. Americans are just by and large corrupt at heart, that's something all of us really need to come to grips with. Americans are not to be trusted whether they're in govt or private sector. What has to be found is the best system that mediates said genetic corruption.

When was the last time you heard about someone dying from ingesting their food? McDonalds, it may kill you in the long run, but it's still safe for consumption.