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Razorguns

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Army National Guard.

My recruiter says the army will probably take full advantage of my advanced computer skills. So I'm not worried about being blown up. I'm not 18 and be thrown at the frontlines. But ya never know.

The US Govt now owns me. I have to write some ASVAB (?) test next week. Anyone have any info on that? I know it'll be easy but I don't leave anything to chance.

Sit down, sit down, no standing ovations necessary. But I'll take a Miller.
 
Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery.

It's a big multiple choice test to help them pigeon hole you. At least you're already enlisted, I took it and scored really well and they called me trying to get me to enlist for about 8 years.

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
Razorguns said:
Army National Guard.

My recruiter says the army will probably take full advantage of my advanced computer skills. So I'm not worried about being blown up. I'm not 18 and be thrown at the frontlines. But ya never know.

The US Govt now owns me. I have to write some ASVAB (?) test next week. Anyone have any info on that? I know it'll be easy but I don't leave anything to chance.

Sit down, sit down, no standing ovations necessary. But I'll take a Miller.


Wanna hear something fucked up? My best friend was very knowledgeable about computers etc. He was a mechanical engineer and computer science major in college. He was put on the front lines as a combat engineer. On January 25, 2005, he was killed in Iraq at age 20. His unit was bombarded by an RPG. He was basically blown up.
 
Wow man, that's a big step. what made you decide to do it? can you pass the drug test?

the ASBAB is a test, pretty basic and easy stuff.
 
Scotsman said:
Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery.

It's a big multiple choice test to help them pigeon hole you. At least you're already enlisted, I took it and scored really well and they called me trying to get me to enlist for about 8 years.

Cheers,
Scotsman

yeppers. All MOS's require a certain score from the ASVAB. If you score high, you can basically pick the job you want. If you score low, you're infantry. :D
 
the-short-one said:
yeppers. All MOS's require a certain score from the ASVAB. If you score high, you can basically pick the job you want. If you score low, you're infantry. :D


I got a direct invite to OCS but turned it down in favor of going to college, this is something I will never regret.

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
I scored really high and yeah, they havn't stopped calling yet. Good luck with that!! I got a few friends over there, one already died.
 
If you score low in the ASVAB you will be in Iraq very soon because you will be a member of an infantry unit.

A miller? Yuk! You reckless teenager. I'll buy you a pint of Guiness draught!!
 
I took the ASVAB when I was going to go into the Navy...I qualified for alot of jobs, but post whoring wasnt one of them, so I told them to go fuck themselves.

Actually I wanted to go to the Academy, but my grade point average was just a hair too low and they were gonna shave my bon jovi hair. I wouldnt have that.

The mistakes we make in life :rolleyes:
 
33. I have a bachelor's. Ca. national guard pays like a $15,000 bonus.

I have 1 year to go to boot camp. 3 months for that. 6 months after that is spec. training. After that it's only about 1 year left.

So only the last year really I would have a chance to be deployed realistically.
 
Razorguns said:
33. I have a bachelor's. Ca. national guard pays like a $15,000 bonus.

I have 1 year to go to boot camp. 3 months for that. 6 months after that is spec. training. After that it's only about 1 year left.

So only the last year really I would have a chance to be deployed realistically.
is this a full time deal or are you in the reserves?
 
Scotsman said:
Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery.

It's a big multiple choice test to help them pigeon hole you. At least you're already enlisted, I took it and scored really well and they called me trying to get me to enlist for about 8 years.

Cheers,
Scotsman
I took a similar if not the same test for the navy and scored really high. They were on my jock for months after that trying to get me to enlist. I was ready to, they just couldn't seal the deal and totally sell me on it
 
Razorguns said:
Army National Guard.

My recruiter says the army will probably take full advantage of my advanced computer skills. So I'm not worried about being blown up. I'm not 18 and be thrown at the frontlines. But ya never know.

The US Govt now owns me. I have to write some ASVAB (?) test next week. Anyone have any info on that? I know it'll be easy but I don't leave anything to chance.

Sit down, sit down, no standing ovations necessary. But I'll take a Miller.

I am a proud member of P.A.P.E.R. C.L.I.P. (People Against People Ever Re-Enlisting, Civilian Life Is Prefered), but since it is your first enlistment, I will say congratulations :)

The ASVAB is pretty basic stuff so you shouldn't have any problems with it... When I came through MEPS I was told that anything over a 75 will get you pretty much any job you want (as long as it is available in your region for the reserves... don't know how National Guard works)....

By the way, it doesn't really matter what type of unit you are assigned to, you will be going down-range as they call it before it is all said and done... There are two types of people in the reserves and national guard right now, people that HAVE been, and people that WILL be :) That is the damn truth.

Good luck on the asvab, don't take the Drill Sergeant's remarks too personally, try not to stand out in basic, and for Gods sake, leave your pride on the bus!

PG
 
Razorguns said:
My recruiter says the army will probably take full advantage of my advanced computer skills. So I'm not worried about being blown up. I'm not 18 and be thrown at the frontlines.

That is the WORST fucking assumption you can make.

You enlisted, they will use you as they see fit, not as you see fit.... and the fit doesn't have to make sense.
 
Lestat said:
is this a full time deal or are you in the reserves?

National Guard. 2 streets away from where I live.

1 w/e a month. Most of the work they "say" will be in California. Job is protected. $180/monthly pay.

I got a cool pen and t-shirt. That makes it right there! :)

I told them about my EF experience, but they didn't care. Bahstads.

Range of jobs from combat, to repair, to military police, to human resources, to warehouse to dental assistant. Not sure. I know I can best be utilized in an office/tech setting -- but then again, that's what i've been doing for 10+ years. So not sure.
 
jnuts said:
That is the WORST fucking assumption you can make.

You enlisted, they will use you as they see fit, not as you see fit.... and the fit doesn't have to make sense.

True. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. But it does make logical sense that you want your most intelligent to work behind the scenes. You need brains + brauns for today's military. No one at the NG i was at, 25 y/o+, been in Iraq longer than 3 months. They all have f/t jobs and mortgages.

Oh I interegated them good. Almost 2 hours. :)
 
Razorguns said:
But it does make logical sense that you want your most intelligent to work behind the scenes. You need brains + brauns for today's military.

Logic does not matter. It doesn't always matter in big business and it sure as hell doesn't matter in the DOD. Hope for the best, prepare the an ass reaming. :)
 
Razorguns said:
33. I have a bachelor's. Ca. national guard pays like a $15,000 bonus.

I have 1 year to go to boot camp. 3 months for that. 6 months after that is spec. training. After that it's only about 1 year left.

So only the last year really I would have a chance to be deployed realistically.


Yes, and it can be extended without your consent during war time.
 
is it full time or reseves bro? you said one weekend a month, that sounds like reserves?
 
also, have you passed the medical exame, are they aware of your recent stroke?
 
Lestat said:
is it full time or reseves bro? you said one weekend a month, that sounds like reserves?
He joined the National Guard... Same deal as the reserves as far as the one weekend/month 2 weeks AT in the summer sometime.... Guarunteed year long deployment in Iraq.... you know, the usual.... Except for the fact that the National Guard falls under STATE jurisdiction whereas the reserves fall under FEDERAL jurisdiction....
 
powderguy said:
He joined the National Guard... Same deal as the reserves as far as the one weekend/month 2 weeks AT in the summer sometime.... Guarunteed year long deployment in Iraq.... you know, the usual.... Except for the fact that the National Guard falls under STATE jurisdiction whereas the reserves fall under FEDERAL jurisdiction....
so you still have to have another job on top of this one?
 
Yes most are firefighters, cops, etc. so most have f/t jobs. Many are in govt where getting time off is easy.

I see 2 doctors every week and he says i'm good to go for anyting. Miraculous my recovery isn't it? Damn good genetics.

It's 1 w/e a month. $20,000 bonus. You get 50% of that during boot camp. You have 1 year to join boot camp. I'll join near the end cuz i'm booked up this year.

I told them I played guitar, and they asked if I wanted to join the army marching band. I said no, unless they allow me to play Slayer.
 
I don't mean to scare ya dude, but let's be realistic here... :)

Take what the recruiter says with a grain of salt, a questioning mind and a bit of mistrust.
 
What about Air National Guard? I was looking at that too. But it looks like mainly f/t jobs only with no bonuses.

Should I look into that?
 
Scotsman said:
I got a direct invite to OCS but turned it down in favor of going to college, this is something I will never regret.

Cheers,
Scotsman

Why is it that the people who never served always claim that they could have done this or that? There is no such thing as a "direct invite" to OCS, and you have to go to college first.

Razorguns, congratulations and thanks.
 
jnuts said:
I don't mean to scare ya dude, but let's be realistic here... :)

Take what the recruiter says with a grain of salt, a questioning mind and a bit of mistrust.



No shit maing. These recruiters get paid to recruit, bonuses and shit. They will tell you exactly what you want to hear.
 
I was thinking of doing the Air Guard as you only get deployed for up to 4months as opposed to 2yrs like the Army Guard.
 
galaxy said:
When do u get the other half of that bonus?

at the end. Kinda like a carrot to finish.

I went to the air guard website, but it sucks and i learned very little of how it works. I don't mind taking a f/t job as long as i ain't stuck with it for 3 years if i don't like it.
 
Razorguns said:
at the end. Kinda like a carrot to finish.

I went to the air guard website, but it sucks and i learned very little of how it works. I don't mind taking a f/t job as long as i ain't stuck with it for 3 years if i don't like it.
what is wrong with your current line of work?
 
Lestat said:
what is wrong with your current line of work?

Nothing. It's a w/e thing. I think i can handle that and still work f/t. Most if not all work will probably be in cali. If those mexicans riot in la -- guess who'll get called. :)

Tho, i'm NOT lookingn fwd to showering naked with other naked guys. That's gonna be the hardest part of training I think.
 
eat big said:
Wanna hear something fucked up? My best friend was very knowledgeable about computers etc. He was a mechanical engineer and computer science major in college. He was put on the front lines as a combat engineer. On January 25, 2005, he was killed in Iraq at age 20. His unit was bombarded by an RPG. He was basically blown up.

May he RIP. God bless his soul. I have an incredible amount of respect for people that choose to defend our country. Willing to make the ultimate sacrifice.
 
Stillhere7 said:
If you score low in the ASVAB you will be in Iraq very soon because you will be a member of an infantry unit.

A miller? Yuk! You reckless teenager. I'll buy you a pint of Guiness draught!!

I think he'd rather have a cold "draft."
 
galaxy said:
I was thinking of doing the Air Guard as you only get deployed for up to 4months as opposed to 2yrs like the Army Guard.

It's looking like it will be 6 month rotations for AF pretty soon. :)
 
the-short-one said:
yeppers. All MOS's require a certain score from the ASVAB. If you score high, you can basically pick the job you want. If you score low, you're infantry. :D

Hold on, some of the smartest guys in the army are infantry. I was, lol. Actually scoring well enabled me to get a 2 year contract. That's why I chose infantry. Don't want to commit myself to 4 years of something I have very little clue about. My GT score was a 123. Its all common sense stuff. If you start to run out of time just circle A for everything. Every question is graded even if you don't answer it. You have a 25% chance of getting it correct if you circle A down the board. Good luck.

BOOGS
 
I heard a rumor that they "mitigate risk by spreading it around" meaning infantry doing dangerous missions get replaced by other people for a couple months then replaced by others.

Reason being it's not fair some soldiers get in the line of fire for so long. So you could be doing warehouse duty, or living in the us -- and get called up to spend 3 months replacing infantry. So they can go home and relax.

Is that true. Would make sense I guess.
 
Razorguns said:
Army National Guard.

My recruiter says the army will probably take full advantage of my advanced computer skills. So I'm not worried about being blown up. I'm not 18 and be thrown at the frontlines. But ya never know.

The US Govt now owns me. I have to write some ASVAB (?) test next week. Anyone have any info on that? I know it'll be easy but I don't leave anything to chance.

Sit down, sit down, no standing ovations necessary. But I'll take a Miller.

The real question is why ? maybe in the US the army has a better reputation but here it's usually for the weaks. Good luck bro !
 
jnuts said:
Logic does not matter. It doesn't always matter in big business and it sure as hell doesn't matter in the DOD. Hope for the best, prepare the an ass reaming. :)

What does NAVY stand for? Never Again Volunteer Yourself.
 
manny78 said:
The real question is why ? maybe in the US the army has a better reputation but here it's usually for the weaks. Good luck bro !

I'm not looking forward to showering with men.

It's prestige. While I've had a stellar life full of romance, adventure & pure comedy. It was the thing i had to do so i woudltn' be just "RazorGuns: He just ate, shit and died" when I passed away. At least i could get the memories when i'm an old fart.

Canadian Army = Dollar store army. Nothing like using 20 y/o technology.
 
cboogsrun said:
Hold on, some of the smartest guys in the army are infantry.

Yep, it's a misconception that only dumb go infantry. Those who want the most action and direct troop leadership often request infantry and it remains one of the most demanded branches at Westpoint. Most General officers are infantry, armor or artillery.

One of the smartest guys on this board, MTS, was a proud wearer of the "crossed dumbsticks".
 
Razorguns said:
Yes most are firefighters, cops, etc. so most have f/t jobs. Many are in govt where getting time off is easy.

I see 2 doctors every week and he says i'm good to go for anyting. Miraculous my recovery isn't it? Damn good genetics.

It's 1 w/e a month. $20,000 bonus. You get 50% of that during boot camp. You have 1 year to join boot camp. I'll join near the end cuz i'm booked up this year.

I told them I played guitar, and they asked if I wanted to join the army marching band. I said no, unless they allow me to play Slayer.
Slayer KICKS ASS! bad ass band.... DIE BY THE SWORD!!!!
 
Razorguns said:
I'm not looking forward to showering with men.

It's prestige. While I've had a stellar life full of romance, adventure & pure comedy. It was the thing i had to do so i woudltn' be just "RazorGuns: He just ate, shit and died" when I passed away. At least i could get the memories when i'm an old fart.

Canadian Army = Dollar store army. Nothing like using 20 y/o technology.

Nothing like not having to use your army.

Good luck.
 
Razorguns said:
National Guard. 2 streets away from where I live.

1 w/e a month. Most of the work they "say" will be in California. Job is protected. $180/monthly pay.

I got a cool pen and t-shirt. That makes it right there! :)

I told them about my EF experience, but they didn't care. Bahstads.

Range of jobs from combat, to repair, to military police, to human resources, to warehouse to dental assistant. Not sure. I know I can best be utilized in an office/tech setting -- but then again, that's what i've been doing for 10+ years. So not sure.


I get the vibe that you have no freakin idea what you're getting yourself into. You'll find out soon enough though....
 
Razorguns said:
It's 1 w/e a month. $20,000 bonus. You get 50% of that during boot camp. You have 1 year to join boot camp. I'll join near the end cuz i'm booked up this year.
.

Actually you don't get half your bonus until about a month after you graduate AIT.
 
Longhorn85 said:
Yep, it's a misconception that only dumb go infantry. Those who want the most action and direct troop leadership often request infantry and it remains one of the most demanded branches at Westpoint. Most General officers are infantry, armor or artillery.

One of the smartest guys on this board, MTS, was a proud wearer of the "crossed dumbsticks".
ya plus if there is no war all them fucken grunts do is go to college and sit in thre rooms.
 
Longhorn85 said:
Yep, it's a misconception that only dumb go infantry. Those who want the most action and direct troop leadership often request infantry and it remains one of the most demanded branches at Westpoint. Most General officers are infantry, armor or artillery.

One of the smartest guys on this board, MTS, was a proud wearer of the "crossed dumbsticks".

Not only dumb but infantry is still a popular choice among dropouts, dumbs and other "unfortunate" folks. After all they get a secure job.
 
These are the jobs that were listed:

6 yr

11B INFANTRYMAN
13B CANNON CREWMAN
21B COMBAT ENGINEER
31B MILITARY POLICE
63B LIGHT WHEEL VEHICLE MECHANIC
88M DRIVER
91W NURSE
92A SUPPLY
92G COOK
92Y SUPPLY

3 yr (what i'm looking at)

11C MORTARMAN
13E CANNON FIRE DIRECTION SPECIALIST
13F FIRE SUPPORT DIRECTION SPECIALIST
15T UH-60 HELICOPTER REPAIRER
15U CHINOOK HELICOPTER REPAIRER
19D CALVARY SCOUT
19K ABRAMS TANK CREWMAN
25D TELECOM OPERATOR
25U SIGNAL SUPPORT SYSTEMS SPEC
42A HUMAN RESOURCES SPEC
63A M1 TANK MAINTAINER
91E DENTAL SPECIALIST
92A AUTOMATED LOGISTICAL SPECIALIST
92R PARACHUTE RIGGER
96B INTELLIGENCE ANALYST
97A HUMAN INTELLIGENCE COLLECTOR
97B COUNTER INTELLIGENCE AGENT

Since I have no military exp -- I really don't know yet. I want to help, have fun, and not get blown up (where my posting abiliteis would be replaced by KB how sad) -- so not sure.
 
Razorguns said:
These are the jobs that were listed:

6 yr

11B INFANTRYMAN
13B CANNON CREWMAN
21B COMBAT ENGINEER
31B MILITARY POLICE
63B LIGHT WHEEL VEHICLE MECHANIC
88M DRIVER
91W NURSE
92A SUPPLY
92G COOK
92Y SUPPLY

3 yr (what i'm looking at)

11C MORTARMAN
13E CANNON FIRE DIRECTION SPECIALIST
13F FIRE SUPPORT DIRECTION SPECIALIST
15T UH-60 HELICOPTER REPAIRER
15U CHINOOK HELICOPTER REPAIRER
19D CALVARY SCOUT
19K ABRAMS TANK CREWMAN
25D TELECOM OPERATOR
25U SIGNAL SUPPORT SYSTEMS SPEC
42A HUMAN RESOURCES SPEC
63A M1 TANK MAINTAINER
91E DENTAL SPECIALIST
92A AUTOMATED LOGISTICAL SPECIALIST
92R PARACHUTE RIGGER
96B INTELLIGENCE ANALYST
97A HUMAN INTELLIGENCE COLLECTOR
97B COUNTER INTELLIGENCE AGENT

Since I have no military exp -- I really don't know yet. I want to help, have fun, and not get blown up (where my posting abiliteis would be replaced by KB how sad) -- so not sure.
most of those look dangerous bro
 
needtogetas said:
funny part is cook comes with the bigest bones now.50 thousand.
this is what I would want to do:
INTELLIGENCE ANALYST
 
Lestat said:
this is what I would want to do:
INTELLIGENCE ANALYST


....and you'll need to get a security clearance for that job (possible TS) which can pay you bank on the outside...
 
The school for 19D Cavalry Scout consists of learning how to hold your hands over your ears while you stomp the ground in front of you.
 
97B counter intel you could go to warrant officer school and become an investigator. You'd get an allowance to wear civilian clothes and you would investigate internal events like rapes, suicides and accidental deaths.
 
Longhorn85 said:
97B counter intel you could go to warrant officer school and become an investigator. You'd get an allowance to wear civilian clothes and you would investigate internal events like rapes, suicides and accidental deaths.

You serious??

That doesn't fit the definiton of counter intelligence.

Counterintelligence Agent (97B)

Having access to the correct information is absolutely necessary to plan for our national defense. Intelligence specialists, such as the Counterintelligence Agent, are integral to providing Army personnel with information about enemy forces and potential battle areas. Intelligence specialists use aerial photographs, electronic monitoring and human observation in order to gather and study information that's required to design defense plans and tactics.

The Counterintelligence Agent is primarily responsible for supervising and conducting counterintelligence surveys and investigations of individuals, organizations, installations and activities in order to detect, assess and counter threats to national security. Some of your duties as a Counterintelligence Agent may include:

Studying aerial photographs of foreign ships, bases and missile sites
Studying foreign troop movements and codes
Operating sensitive radios to intercept foreign military communications
Conducting security investigations
Processing counterintelligence evidence
Preparing and distributing counterintelligence reports of Force Protection information to all relevant parties
Performing counterintelligence support to anti-terrorism operations
Consolidating intelligence data
Conducting liaison operations
Maintaining counterintelligence files and databases

I'm leaning towards Human Resources until I learn more about the army. After being in an office for 10 years, I know at least all about that. I feel like a 1st grader choosing what to select for college. I just hope it's not a "chick" job.
 
Human resources is a lot better than getting crucified.
 
Razorguns said:
You serious??

That doesn't fit the definiton of counter intelligence.

Counterintelligence Agent (97B)

What I'm saying is do that (97B) for a few years and make SGT. Do your job well and take some college courses. Then put in an application for Warrant Officer school as a CID investigator. Your skill set will be perfect.
 
Razorguns said:
Army National Guard.

My recruiter says the army will probably take full advantage of my advanced computer skills. So I'm not worried about being blown up. I'm not 18 and be thrown at the frontlines. But ya never know.

The US Govt now owns me. I have to write some ASVAB (?) test next week. Anyone have any info on that? I know it'll be easy but I don't leave anything to chance.

Sit down, sit down, no standing ovations necessary. But I'll take a Miller.

A recruiter told you they would take full advantage of your what? And you believed him? Man, you in deep do-do now. 1st rule in the Army is they run the show and do what they feel is necessary. 2nd it, everyone in the army is a grunt and carries a rifle.

I knew a guy in the Air Force, was a licensed Aircraft airframe/powerplant technician. You think they put him with aircraft maintenance? Hell now, Missiles and atomic bombs. Yep they will utillize your skills, where they want them.

well Good Luck !
 
SlimJim52 said:
A recruiter told you they would take full advantage of your what? And you believed him? Man, you in deep do-do now. 1st rule in the Army is they run the show and do what they feel is necessary. 2nd it, everyone in the army is a grunt and carries a rifle.

I knew a guy in the Air Force, was a licensed Aircraft airframe/powerplant technician. You think they put him with aircraft maintenance? Hell now, Missiles and atomic bombs. Yep they will utillize your skills, where they want them.

well Good Luck !

I was also interested in the coast guard, and the recruiter just called and left a message.

great. nothing like being confused.
 
powderguy said:
He joined the National Guard... Same deal as the reserves as far as the one weekend/month 2 weeks AT in the summer sometime.... Guarunteed year long deployment in Iraq.... you know, the usual.... Except for the fact that the National Guard falls under STATE jurisdiction whereas the reserves fall under FEDERAL jurisdiction....

If there is a need for men overseas, can the federal govt. step in and take what it needs from the National Guard? Are there National Guardsmen (this includes women) in Iraq?
 
nycgirl said:
If there is a need for men overseas, can the federal govt. step in and take what it needs from the National Guard? Are there National Guardsmen (this includes women) in Iraq?

Once I'm done basic training (have 1 yr to start that) -- the govt can do whatever with me for however long (til 2 more yrs). Scary to sign papers like that, but i'm sure the reality isn't all that bad as the doomsayers.

Nat. Guard make up 300,000 people. Army and others only have 50,000 to 250,000 members. The Feds tip into the Nat Guard pot a lot to do stuff.
 
Razorguns said:
I was also interested in the coast guard, and the recruiter just called and left a message.

great. nothing like being confused.

What's to be confused about? At the top of this thread you said you already signed with the NG and they own your ass.
 
Razorguns said:
I was also interested in the coast guard, and the recruiter just called and left a message.

great. nothing like being confused.

You chose the National Guard over the opportunity to possibly catch illegals off the coast of Florida.

Wow, you must be confused.
 
Razorguns said:
I was also interested in the coast guard, and the recruiter just called and left a message.

great. nothing like being confused.

Why not the AF? It is by far the easiest military life. I was in the USAF for 6 years.
 
I joined the Air Force back in November, and Im doing my tech training at Sheppard right now. I would definitely talk to an Air Guard recruiter before signing up with the Army. Shop around and explore all of your options before making a committment.
 
Doing my ASVAB mon. Let's see how high I get. Who knows maybe they'll be a tug of war.

I like the army nat. guard, cuz i got tons of stuff this year to do, camp ain't til next year, and i can sstill serve 1 w/e a month.

btw: Funny. While reading thru all the site -- i discovered a "hidden" amnesty for illegals. hehe. Too bad they're all too lazy to go for it, cuz ti's hard to send money back home when stuck in iraq.
 
nycgirl said:
If there is a need for men overseas, can the federal govt. step in and take what it needs from the National Guard? Are there National Guardsmen (this includes women) in Iraq?

Yes and Yes
 
Razorguns said:
Doing my ASVAB mon. Let's see how high I get. Who knows maybe they'll be a tug of war.

I like the army nat. guard, cuz i got tons of stuff this year to do, camp ain't til next year, and i can sstill serve 1 w/e a month.

btw: Funny. While reading thru all the site -- i discovered a "hidden" amnesty for illegals. hehe. Too bad they're all too lazy to go for it, cuz ti's hard to send money back home when stuck in iraq.

Dood ... I'm begging you. Look into the Air National Guard or Air Force Reserve. Your life will be immensely better.
 
Typical deployments for Nat. guard are 18 months including 6 months training in the us. If 250 are sent, 17 die. Yeech! Pay for active-duty is minimal, so i'd probably have to move out of my place and ship my stuff to my parents house. 18 months is a long time to not see your parents. Especially since i'm not 21 now, and they're not young either. I might even miss a sibling wedding.

I do have a Naval Reserve meeting on wed. Then coast guard later on. Mon is ASVAB. What a bitch to memorize those physics formulas i learned in h.s. lol.

decisions, decisons, sheesh.

Where's MTSW? Still eatin' tacos?

btw: Found this interesting article. I may not even be deployed. Boy would that be a hollow enlistment!

--

http://www.showmenews.com/2005/Jul/20050713News018.asp

Danger to Guard troops overstated, general says
Force’s recruiting numbers will rise next year, Blum believes.

WASHINGTON (AP) - The dangers faced by U.S. troops in Iraq have been exaggerated, adding to the difficulty of recruiting soldiers at home, the Army general in charge of National Guard forces said yesterday.

The casualty rate for Guardsmen is low compared with any previous armed conflict, said Lt. Gen. Steven Blum.

He said he recognizes that every death is a tragedy for that person’s family. "But I lose, unfortunately, more people through private automobile accidents and motorcycle accidents over the same period of time," he said.

"It is dangerous, but it is - I shouldn’t say it to this group but I’m going to - it is misrepresented, how dangerous it really is," Blum told reporters.

Surveys of recruit-age Americans and their parents have shown that fear of being killed or wounded in Iraq is one of the major reasons that young people are choosing other careers after high school. The National Guard also has been squeezed by a slowdown in the number of active-duty soldiers switching to the Guard.

Blum said more than 250,000 National Guard soldiers and airmen have been mobilized for active duty since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, and 262 of them have been killed in the global war on terrorism. Pentagon casualty statistics show more than 90 percent of those deaths were in Iraq.

In all, more than 1,750 U.S. troops have been killed in Iraq since the U.S. invasion in March 2003 - the vast majority since President George W. Bush declared the end of major combat operations on May 1, 2003. More than 170 have died in and around Afghanistan as part of the ongoing offensive against Taliban and al-Qaida fighters.

National Guard soldiers represent about 40 percent of the U.S. ground force in Iraq, although that is scheduled to decline substantially next year when the Army deploys two newly expanded active-duty divisions - the 101st Airborne and the 4th Infantry.

The National Guard’s presence in Iraq is approaching its peak this month with the scheduled arrival of about 4,000 soldiers from the 2nd brigade of the 28th Infantry Division of the Pennsylvania Army National Guard. That will be the single largest combat deployment for the Pennsylvania Army Guard since World War II.

By next year, however, the level of National Guard commitment in Iraq will decline, Blum said, and that bodes well for a reversal of the decline in recruiting. He hopes to go from a total of eight Guard combat brigades and one Guard division headquarters in Iraq, totaling about 35,000 troops, to two or three brigades.

Blum said he does not expect the National Guard to achieve its recruiting goal for the budget year ending Sept. 30. Through June 30, it was running almost 25 percent behind. Blum said he doubts he can close the gap.

"Is it likely? No," he said, adding that he hopes to make up the difference in the next 18 months.

Blum insisted that although the National Guard has fallen short of its recruiting goals every month of the current budget year, "It’s not a case where we’re in serious crisis mode." He said the National Guard has nearly 95 percent of its authorized manpower level, and those already in uniform are signing up for additional tours.

"We’re doing pretty damn good considering we’ve been at war for three and a half years," he said.
 
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Still in the "information gathering" stage before making a final determination. On Army, Naval / AF / Coast Guard reserves. Jesus i'm so corporate. Maybe tomorrow i'll do a feasibility study on joining the each service. lol.

Us old educated pros. Recruiters must hate us cuz we question everything. :)
 
Razorguns said:
Typical deployments for Nat. guard are 18 months including 6 months training in the us. If 250 are sent, 17 die. Yeech! .

The AF is the only service that sends the officers off to do the fighting. You go back to your air conditioned living quarters and wish them good luck.

You tell them, "I'm with you in spirit".
 
Razorguns said:
Army National Guard.

The test is scored with an overall score Referred to as the "QT" score, as well as the following four area scores; Mechanical, Administrative, General, and Electronic. Every job that all branches offer has specific requirements for those five score catagories. Each job is different.Your recruiter has a list, or access to a list of every job and it's individual requirements(they're not supposed to show it to applicants though) Your recruiter should also offer you a condensed practice version that is usually a good indicator of how you'll score (QT only). Best of luck...
 
Bro just let me give you a little advice.

In the past, people were being let go if they freaked out and decided not to go to basic after signing in. That has changed now. I just bailed my good friend out of jail two weeks ago because he didn't go to MEPS to ship. He read all this stuff online and did a lot of research. Everything he read said that the military will not press charges if you decide not to go.

WRONG!

He is now facing an AWOL and 'missing movement' charge. So... moral of the story is... once you sign the papers you are in. No way out.
 
I never understood why people your age would want to enlist in the Army..... I joined the reserves in Canada at 25 and that was very stupid.

the army is for 18 - 20 year olds with no direction or discipline, the army can solve both those things.

I realized the first couple days that I did not want some 20 year old bossing me around, especially when most of my senior officers were those geeks in high school that had no life and got picked on... now they think they are big shots and pull rank on your ass.

this chubby corporal about 20 years old with glasses told me to run over to see him, literally sprint...... I thought to myself, there is no logical reason to run (I am not in danger, we werent doing any drill's), so I walked and laughed at this assclown who thought he was important. that is when I realized I could shit kick this tool at any second so I quit the next day. I rather think for myself in the civilain world and see my family and friends then fight in war that is not ours to begin with, the people in those countries dont even appreciate what we do there anyway, we are hated...... So In my eyes those young guys are dying for nothing I am sad to say !!! all that BS about protecting our freedom is propaganda BS, when did Iraq attack us ? this is over oil and political power... nothing else

there is no logic in it, they own you and tell you what to think and do...... even if it makes no sense. (that is why i couldnt do it) I am a logical person and could think for myself.... the army is for people that cant think for themselves.

please reconsider this razorguns....... I am glad I only joined the reserves in Canada and could quit at anytime. I am very happy i got out !!!
 
Maverick said:
there is no logic in it, they own you and tell you what to think and do...... even if it makes no sense. (that is why i couldnt do it) I am a logical person and could think for myself.... the army is for people that cant think for themselves.

It's about serving your country and presenting your knowledge to them -- to use if they see fit. If they waste my talent on holding a gun - that's their poor decision making. I could do 10x more damage developing software to blow up 5,000 enemy soldiers than firing a gun.

It's not about "me". If you value "me" over duty, i agree -- never sign up. It ain't no hotel.

My asvab got pushed to next mon, and apparently it's only math & verbal. i dont' get the h.s. one.

also looking at coast guard. Now THAT, i may enjoy. I love water.
 
Razorguns said:
It's about serving your country and presenting your knowledge to them -- to use if they see fit. If they waste my talent on holding a gun - that's their poor decision making. I could do 10x more damage developing software to blow up 5,000 enemy soldiers than firing a gun.

It's not about "me". If you value "me" over duty, i agree -- never sign up. It ain't no hotel.

My asvab got pushed to next mon, and apparently it's only math & verbal. i dont' get the h.s. one.

also looking at coast guard. Now THAT, i may enjoy. I love water.

your making a mistake. trust me !!! do you have children ? If you do, they want to have a daddy..... dying over oil or political power is not worth it
 
Well here's a FANTASTIC column by some guy explaining the meat & potatos of how the military works for new people.

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/joiningup/a/recruiter1.htm

must-read. Good thing I'm taking a month and a half to decide. My friend was in the Navy and he has nothing but good things to say -- and the ship is full of computers and technology. But the naval reserve offers no bonuses -- but it's not about money anyway.
 
Maverick said:
.. the army is for people that cant think for themselves.

please reconsider this razorguns....... I am glad I only joined the reserves in Canada and could quit at anytime. I am very happy i got out !!!

The army is not for everyone, and it clearly is not your cup of tea. Others feel differently. That is what is great about an all-volunteer military.

BTW I don't think you can really judge the U.S. Army based on your limited experience in the Canadian Forces.
 
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