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maximizing fat loss while on DNP

Andy13

Andy13

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The obvious is to not eat so much. I recomend no more calories than 11 x bodyweight (lbs).

The second is to increase light activity during the day. Of course, this can only be considered if it is ULTRA low intensity and on a low dose..

What DNP does is make aerobic respiration a little less efficient. And when you walk to find the remote or go out to check the mail, DNP is making your metabolism for these activites less efficient. It was once thought that DNP ONLY affected your basal metabolic rate. This is simply not true. If affects your ENTIRE metabolic rate so long as you stay in aerobic respiration. If you were on a LOW dose and doing aerobic respiration, whatever % DNP increases your resting metabolism, it will increase the calories you burn during the exercise by that much... Maybe more!

But you would have to be REAL careful to keep in aerobic respiration. I think heart rate moniters would help, but you would have to make sure that you are expirience no burning sensation in muscles (lactic acid) whatsoever. Lactic acid is indicative of anaerobic respiration, and DNP has an effect on aerobic respiration ONLY.

One decent way to make sure you are in aerobic respiration is if you can keep a conversation going while doing cardio.. If you are mostly in aerobic respiration, you will.. If not, you will be huffing and puffing and won't be able to talk like normal.

For cardio types, I'm thinking walking. This is dose dependant of course. And maybe walking would be too much on higher doses.. Heck, this homeless guy whom I consult from time to time is on 200mg/day and he can hardly keep his breath talking with me just standing there.. So this may not be for everybody..

This might inspire some to get thier VO2 max up before a cycle. Then while on the cycle, it maybe easier to do light cardio while staying in aerobic respiration.

Andy
 
ANDY13,

Glad that you have come around on the Cardio Issue. From the data available it is easy to see why one might go the other way.

The best way to figure out how much cardio you can stand is to try it (WELL HYDRATED with AC or in front of good fan)- fast walking outside may be good (especially at night- its cooler). With proper hydration ,stimulants(EC + Y), and a cool environment one can sustain(45min-1hr) moderate cardio on 4-6mg/kg
 
Great read Andy, thanks!! It's good to see you back and posting. I know myself and others have missed having you around

M18
 
That'll definately help when i start it in december, i weight 228 and i'm going to do 400 mg/day. for 2 1 week cycles
 
I worry about O2 consumption though.. Some guys get out of breath putting their shorts on.

I don't know much about exercise phys.. But I wonder what kind of high intensity cardio program and for how many days or weeks to have a measurable effect on VO2 max..

That might be the way to go.. A few weeks of high intensity cardio for 20 minutes a day before a DNP cycle.

Andy
 
MUSTANG_18 said:
Great read Andy, thanks!! It's good to see you back and posting. I know myself and others have missed having you around

M18
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I've been SOOOOO busy lately.. I'll try to post when I can though.. I did miss you guys!!!
 
for cardio I like to put 5 pound weights on my ankles all day long I feel I burn a ton more kcals.

in my figuring it would seem that EPO would help a lot with O1 consumption yes?
 
andy13----would i get a better fat burning effect if i went for say 2-3 days at a high dose then took off for a day or two before repeating? or something like a high dose every other day? what do you guys think?
 
GOOD post andy, question for you, where can i get empty capsules? Gnc stoped selling them, i tryed a couple of pharmacies and they dont have them either.
 
rich197 said:
for cardio I like to put 5 pound weights on my ankles all day long I feel I burn a ton more kcals.

in my figuring it would seem that EPO would help a lot with O1 consumption yes?
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Adding EPO to a DNP cycle?????

VERY BAD IDEA!!!!

EPO increases red blood cell production which in turn
increases blood viscosity(thickness. Otherwise called
hematocrit), and DNP is essentially a diuretic due to the
fluid loss it causes(Unless you drink PLENTY).

If you did do EPO+DNP I'd be VERY, VERY
CAREFUL.

Remember, you can't "feel" EPO working........

AND, Andy13, DNP is more of a caloric dissipator
than a metabolism booster.
It makes the glucose-ATP energy conversion pathway
FAR LESS efiicient.(Depending on the dose of
course).

I just experimented with 600mg/day DNP+5000Kcal/day
for 9 days w/ no excercise and only gained 0.3lbs Fat.

Go figure......

Now, time for the anabolic rebound effect.........woo hoo!!!

Fonz
 
regardless of the validity about the cardio statements (because theyr are conflicting opinions)....the amount of calories you will burn in one light cardio session is almost negligible...even if u walk for 30 mins thats only like 250 calories...you down that in a large cup of orange juice that you will drink to replinish liver glycogen. I think of more importance is watching your diet, espicially if your active, if your constantly moving about all day their really is no need cardio...if your sitting around the fan maybe but light cardio is still pointless in and of itself while on dnp. Like i posted earlier, keep your calories to what you would have them on the first week of a diet to get results.
Andy im dissapointed....no profound information here, lol j/k missed some of ur posts.
 
DNP makes oxidative phosphorilation less efficient. During aerobic exercise, you are utilizing ATP from oxidative phosphorilation. DNP increases your entire metabolism that passes through oxidative phos. And while on DNP, you should be in ox. phos. (ideally) for the entire time-- so, DNP elevates your metabolism from the entire time.

Actually, glucose--> ATP production is the only means of ATP synthesis that DNP DOES NOT affect.


and overrx-- I couldn't agree more.. I would rather sit on my lazy ass and watch football and just eat 500 calories less that do 500 calorie's worth of cardio.. Even if it is 750 calories worth on DNP!!


Andy
 
getbig27 said:
andy13----would i get a better fat burning effect if i went for say 2-3 days at a high dose then took off for a day or two before repeating? or something like a high dose every other day? what do you guys think?
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I have very good reason to believe that dose:fat loss ratio is a linear one. This holds to a point, then thyroid levels mess with things.. But, essentially, for set number of calories, there is some xmg of DNP that will give you ylbs fat loss.

The reason why is because there is not one limiting factor (other than thyroid). But DNP's mechanism will work at the same efficiency at any dose. Meaning, the more you take, the more fat you will lose. It's not like testosterone where 1000mg/week is way better than 500mg/week but 2000mg/week really isn't all that much better than 1000mg/week..

With DNP, the more you take, the more fat you lose. But how miserable do you want to be? That's the question!

But really, if you had done enough DNP cycles with some sort of semi-analytical body fat analysis, I bet you could guess how much of a lb of fat you will lose off of xmg of DNP.


It's powerful shit!
Andy
 
w/ regards to T3...if your on high doses of t3 ( >100mg) and you want to start DNP....will this greatly increase the intensity of sides or only maintain fat loss despite dnp dosage? basically is it better to taper off the t3 first and then use dnp or is it ok to use dnp while on t3?
 
I'd hate to deal with the post DNP munchies with a supressed thyroid.. DNP is hard enough on your thyroid.
 
MACRO ----I CANT FIND ONE OVER THER COUNTER APPETITE SUPPRESOR THAT WORKS.....CAN ANYONE SHED SOME LIGHT HERE???
 
NYC (norephedrine, caffiene and yohimbine)
this with added yohimbine- topical or oral- is very effective at suppressing appetite... though individuals do vary
 
Andy13 said:
I'd hate to deal with the post DNP munchies with a supressed thyroid.. DNP is hard enough on your thyroid.
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That's the worst fucking part of a dnp cycle... I have the willpower DURING, but by the end of the cycle I'm ready to break down and quit the dnp... and that's when Pizza Hut gets the #1 slot on my phone.
 
Andy,

What would you recommend for somebody who has a desk job?

I'm sitting down for about 7 hours a day with a 1hr lunch break thrown into the middle. I always walk around the city at lunch. Would wearing say, 5lb ankle weights, and taking a 45minute walk get me the aerobic exercise that you suggest?

I will be starting DNP next week. I am doing the pre-DNP week of high intensity cardio (20--30min/day) to see how things go.

I'll also be using Phenyltropic PPA while on to keep the appetite suppressed and the energy up :D

Also, would taking a fast acting drug like Finaplix while on DNP have any benefits? Or since it'd only be 8 days, the Fina would not do anything?
 
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PsychoSkitz said:
Andy,

What would you recommend for somebody who has a desk job?

I'm sitting down for about 7 hours a day with a 1hr lunch break thrown into the middle. I always walk around the city at lunch. Would wearing say, 5lb ankle weights, and taking a 45minute walk get me the aerobic exercise that you suggest?

I will be starting DNP next week. I am doing the pre-DNP week of high intensity cardio (20--30min/day) to see how things go.

I'll also be using Phenyltropic PPA while on to keep the appetite suppressed and the energy up :D

Also, would taking a fast acting drug like Finaplix while on DNP have any benefits? Or since it'd only be 8 days, the Fina would not do anything?
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I've done 200mg/day and felt alright until about 10 days or so. Then, it's not so much the heat that get's me, it's the lethargy. I start to get lazy and de-motivated, but after taking a day off and starting again, I seemed to reboot myself for a little while. I, personally, would not stay on DNP for a whole month.. But that is just me personally.

For cardio, you can do anything so long as your muscles don't burn and you aren't gasping for air. That indicates that there is not a lot of O2 present and DNP is not working. The lighter, the better.

Or, you can just eat less. That accomplishes essentially the same thing as doing cardio.

For appetite supression, I like ECA and 5HTP.

As far as DNP and AAS, doing any AAS on any effective dose of DNP is like doing AAS on a keto diet. ANd most people will tell you that AAS are simply not effective on a keto diet. Is it better than nothing? Absolutely.. But I don't think it's something that MUST be done. If you diet is good, you won't lose much muscle at all. A good diet is all carbs and protein and next to zilch fat.

Andy
 
If you have the time, take some shorts and do a quick jog or some sprints.

H.I.T trainning is awsome for cutting up and it makes it quick for a short period of time.

Doing it evryday is not good though, do to the possibility of overtraining especially while on DNP. Your body runs rapant using up its carbs to try and hit the glycolysis and fire the ATP process that the DNP is intruding on.

Good luck..........
 
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