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Lestat

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Is there a difference between 1 x100 and 10 x 10?


I'm hoping samote took the time to read this one.
 
Let me be more specific.

When dealing with a VI schedule of reinforcement, do you think 1 large positive reinforcement would work better than 10 smaller ones over the same time frame adding up to the same total?
 
Lao Tzu said:
I doubt I know the answer, but is this a math question or an engineering question?
part math, part psychology.
 
In Euclidean space or Hilbert space? We're talking about abelian algebra or non-associative algebra here?




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mountain muscle said:
LOL Stat taking a physiology class?
bro, I have a B.S. in psychology from one of the top ranked schools.
 
samoth said:
In Euclidean space or Hilbert space? We're talking about abelian algebra or non-associative algebra here?




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god damnit
 
mountain muscle said:
Sweet with an MS in Pysch you could get a minimun wage job.
I've got an M.S., but its not in psych, because yes, I wanted to make some cash.
 
Lestat said:
I've got an M.S., but its not in psych, because yes, I wanted to make some cash.

So take way the controlled variables in a VI schedule of reinforcement and do you really think an equation is reliably predicative of behavior?
 
mountain muscle said:
So take way the controlled variables in a VI schedule of reinforcement and do you really think an equation is reliably predicative of behavior?

Relative error +/- 99.9% of predicting behavior.




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Lestat said:
I've got an M.S., but its not in psych, because yes, I wanted to make some cash.

So then would you consider youself an accurate representationof a VI system of response or a VR system?

I would venture from your response an FI system.
 
mountain muscle said:
So take way the controlled variables in a VI schedule of reinforcement and do you really think an equation is reliably predicative of behavior?
the equation doesn't predict any behavior, only determines the effectiveness of the reinforcement schedule. How can you get the strongest responses (another test would be done to measure this) and what leads to the longest period of extinction once the reinforcement is taken away.
 
samoth said:
I should totally copy this to the science forum, lol.




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go for it man, you guys need to spice it up over there
 
I would say that 10 smaller reinforcements would be of better value than 1 large one. IE you will develop a memory to the repeated reinforcements where the 1 large one would be quickly forgotten.
 
Lestat said:
go for it man, you guys need to spice it up over there

I know, I totally haven't had time with all the stuff going on around the home. It's been a bad past couple of years and I'm still catching up/recovering.




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chesty said:
I would say that 10 smaller reinforcements would be of better value than 1 large one. IE you will develop a memory to the repeated reinforcements where the 1 large one would be quickly forgotten.
excellent response. That is actually the correct one as well. Samote take note.

I've changed my green karma giving policy so that I give 10% hits now. The idea being, the quanity of green dots doesn't matter, its the message I leave and the sentiment that counts. PLUS, assuming there is a finite number of karma hits I can give (since they subtract from the k total), I can give 10 times MORE hits than if I gave 100%.

I still reserve the 100% and 110% for truly oustanding posts, but those don't come around too often.
 
Lestat said:
excellent response. That is actually the correct one as well. Samote take note.

I've changed my green karma giving policy so that I give 10% hits now. The idea being, the quanity of green dots doesn't matter, its the message I leave and the sentiment that counts. PLUS, assuming there is a finite number of karma hits I can give (since they subtract from the k total), I can give 10 times MORE hits than if I gave 100%.

I still reserve the 100% and 110% for truly oustanding posts, but those don't come around too often.

I.E. You don't have to give up as much of your stash, to put it another way. You can argue it any way you want, but it's true.




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It helps being a parent and dealing with childish engineers and self-absorbed, narcissitic singers/musicians.
 
samoth said:
I.E. You don't have to give up as much of your stash, to put it another way. You can argue it any way you want, but it's true.




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yes, part of why this works is because you don't have to give up as much of your stash as QUICKLY. The idea is to give it away at the same overall pace, but with more chances for reinforcement.
 
You can give out over 1907 100% hits.

I can give out over 183.

I always give 100%, yet I always gain in karma (before being a mod, to mute that argument.)

Furthermore, I don't get many (full) hits from the big boys, as we are sure that you do.

Sooooo......




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Lestat said:
yes, part of why this works is because you don't have to give up as much of your stash as QUICKLY. The idea is to give it away at the same overall pace, but with more chances for reinforcement.

We know you got quite a bit stashed away in the bank garnering interest, so don't talk about no depleting supply here.




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Lestat said:
the equation doesn't predict any behavior, only determines the effectiveness of the reinforcement schedule. How can you get the strongest responses (another test would be done to measure this) and what leads to the longest period of extinction once the reinforcement is taken away.


Again, your equation is dependant on a controlled, predicated schedule of reinforcement. Behavior is as of yet undefined by mathematical theory, maybe chaos theory helps, but it is still highly unpredictable. If you want to quantify responses based on a controlled stimuli then you run into another problem. How do you select a control group from such vastly, varied subjects?
 
samoth said:
You can give out over 1907 100% hits.

I can give out over 183.

I always give 100%, yet I always gain in karma (before being a mod, to mute that argument.)

Furthermore, I don't get many (full) hits from the big boys, as we are sure that you do.

Sooooo......




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bro, I don't get shit from the big boys anymore :( wow that sounded :rainbow:

but yeah, I can't argue with you in the numbers. I lose karma daily due a :turd: that doesn't like me and loves showing it. I can give out more than you though, and I think our k power decreases as our K does, so we both technically can give out an infinite number right? Just smaller and smaller as time goes on.
 
Lestat said:
bro, I don't get shit from the big boys anymore :( wow that sounded :rainbow:

but yeah, I can't argue with you in the numbers. I lose karma daily due a :turd: that doesn't like me and loves showing it. I can give out more than you though, and I think our k power decreases as our K does, so we both technically can give out an infinite number right? Just smaller and smaller as time goes on.

The lower limit for giving karma is 5000 karma points.




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samoth said:
With your bank account gaining interest monthly? Highly doubtful.




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lol. man keep that under wraps. I don't have the most stashed, but there will be some major movements in 2007 I can tell you that. Thats where the largest amount of new K is coming into the system now.
 
Lestat said:
lol. man keep that under wraps. I don't have the most stashed, but there will be some major movements in 2007 I can tell you that. Thats where the largest amount of new K is coming into the system now.

;)





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