many people recommend test for a first cycle....

[kentucky]

So are you recommending a particular type of test, or are you recommending sust ?

 

[Juice Authority]

Single acting ester like Enan or Cyp would be a better option than Sust for a first cycle.

 

[Texas Ranger]

Yup! Test Enanthate or Cyp would be GREAT for a First Cycle.

 

[RADAR]

I agree and just for giggles if you want a jump start until the test kicks in run some dbol for the first 4-5 weeks.

RADAR

 

[genarr4]

Test is test. It really doesn't matter what kind.

 

[Juice Authority]

Test is test. It really doesn't matter what kind. [/QUOTE

I agree and disagree. How can you compare Sust (4 blend) with a single acting ester? There's also a big difference between test Enan and Test Prop. There's little difference however between Test Enan and Cyp - structurally. I think Enan has one more carbon atom than Cyp or maybe it's the other way around - I forget.

 

[Dr. M]

JA -

enanthate has a linear, 7-carbon chain; cypionate has a 7-carbon chain which has a 5-membered ring on the distal end.

Think of it this way in terms of structure - enanthate is like a pencil, and cypionate is like breaking the pencil in half and stabbing it into a tennis ball.

Bad analogy, but I guess you guys probably get the idea...

-M

 

[Juice Authority]

JA -

enanthate has a linear, 7-carbon chain; cypionate has a 7-carbon chain which has a 5-membered ring on the distal end.

Think of it this way in terms of structure - enanthate is like a pencil, and cypionate is like breaking the pencil in half and stabbing it into a tennis ball.

Bad analogy, but I guess you guys probably get the idea...

-M

Not to get technical but this is incorrect. Enan is 7 instead of 8 carbons in length so its safe to state that 500 mg of enan contains more testosterone than does 500 mg of cyp.

 

[VIOLENT J]

That is right about the enanthate having more free testosterone than cypionate, because of the weight of the ester. The difference in the amount of test is small, probably within 10 mgs of eachother. My question is, if this is true, then why does enanthate not sell for more than cypionate?

 

[Lift Chief]

No one could ever tell the difference between cyp and enth. They are technically different, but it doesn't actually make a difference in practice.

 

[geoffgarst]

The Depo-Test (cypionate) peaks at 2-4 days and the Test Enanthiate peaks at 5-7 days. The Enan is longer lasting in your system. Some mix them for better results.

PS: Karma is always welcome here!

 

[Triple J]

that is not correct the cyp will last slighty longer in your system due to the longer ester which takes more effort for your body enzymes to cleave off freeing the T molecule

 

[Bulk King]

A single ester test like cyp or enath is best for the lower doses of a first cycle IMO. Once you are hitting a shot ed or eod then sus is better IMO becasue you are taking advantage of the short chained esters.

 

[kentucky]

so for my first cycle, would it be BEST for me to go with test cyp or en just to see how my body reacts to it. Or will it pretty much react the same way to sust?

 

[QuadzzJr]

Great thread

I too am going to try a test only cycle for my first (though I may add dbol if a source comes thru)..I have a doc friend who will write the script...ethanthate is twice the price of cyp...wierd...so, since so many posts say that it will be hard to tell a real, significant difference, I will go with the less expensive

 

[houseofpain]

I would recommend test ethan, lasts longer in your system and requires less frequent injections to keep your levels on a relatively even keel

 

[papucho]

I would recommend test ethan, lasts longer in your system and requires less frequent injections to keep your levels on a relatively even keel

So how often should you take cyp and how often enan?

 

[VIOLENT J]

LIft Chief has answered and is right on. Cypionate and Enanthate are too similar to notice a difference. For first cycle 500-750mg of either long acting test once a week is fine IMO.

 

[drgoodbody]

Test alone is a great first cycle - just be sure to have your ancillaries so you don't get gyno, etc.

DrG

 

[tiger88]

I agree and just for giggles if you want a jump start until the test kicks in run some dbol for the first 4-5 weeks.

RADAR

that is the best first time cycle around ......classic d bol and test

 

[genarr4]

Get whatever is cheaper.
While not gettting Propinate or Suspension. Too many injects.


Or of better quiality. Don't go overboard with the dose either. No more then 500mgs/week.