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Man Shoots Cop With Paintballs, Cop Fires Back With Bullets

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Man Charged With Shooting Cop With Paintball Gun
Officer Returns Fire But Does Not Strike Suspect

POSTED: 9:45 a.m. CDT October 7, 2004
UPDATED: 10:02 a.m. CDT October 7, 2004


Story by nbc5.com

CHICAGO -- A 20-year-old man who shot an off-duty Chicago police officer in the face with a paintball gun was lucky that the officer's return fire -- from a real gun -- did not strike him.

Dennis Byrd, 20, of Chicago, was charged with simple battery and aggravated assault -- both misdemeanors -- for allegedly shooting the officer with the paintball.

Investigators said the incident happened around 9:20 p.m., when the officer went outside his home near 73rd and Honore streets to check on noises. After being struck with what he believed was a real bullet, he said, he saw the suspect pointing a black weapon at him, pulled out his gun and fired.
 
should have had better aim. fucking punk kids. Looks like a gun, fires something, hits target. Get shot by real gun
 
stupid kid.
 
gymrat said:
so the "off duty" cop has a right to fire real bullets at the guy?
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I think so. He had reasonable reason to believe that he had been shot.

Bullets provide varying sensations, I can see why the cop thought he had been shot.
 
gymrat said:
so the "off duty" cop has a right to fire real bullets at the guy?
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Hell yes he has a right. What would be the difference if it had been a real gune the kid used and he missed? Should the "off duty" cop have returned fired becase he wasn't shot?

My point is that he returned fire in self defense. Have you ever been shot? You don't really feal the pain initially, espically with a low caliber weapon. You feel a lot of impact and some sting if you don't go out right away.

If when the officer was shot he thought it was a real bullet that hit him do you not think he was doing the right thing in returning fire? Or do you think he should have let a potential, if the gun was real, murder walk while he bled to death?

I think the real question is why the hell was the kid outside the house of the officer with a paint gun if he didn't want to get shot? Tell you what. Show up outside my house at night with something that looks like a gun and I'll shoot your ass too. Then I'll feed you to my pit bull.

Gig
 
Ok, so what if Joe nobody pulled a gun out and started firing? Is that legal?
 
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What do you think? If Joe nobody was firing a gun in the vecinity of you and yours and you found out that an off duty policie officer was at hand and he was armed would you not expect him to do something? Or would you rather he just cower down until someone is hit with a live round? Possibly you or your family.

I mean since we are playing the "what if" game.
 
if you had a CCW and someone started shooting at you and hitting you, and you did not take time to make sure what you were being shot with were paintballs, and you happened to blow his brains out...i dont think they would have an easy time convicting you for using deadly force.
 
You think? What about when a cop fires on a kid with a pellet gun because he thought it was a real weapon? Happens all the time.

Why should an officer have to wait until he is fired on with a real weapon before he defends himself? How is he supposed to know in the dark at a distance that it was not a real weapon? It would be hard to prove that he know it was not a real bullet that hit him.

I think that getting off on something like this might be easier than you think.
 
gigantasor said:
What do you think? If Joe nobody was firing a gun in the vecinity of you and yours and you found out that an off duty policie officer was at hand and he was armed would you not expect him to do something? Or would you rather he just cower down until someone is hit with a live round? Possibly you or your family.

I mean since we are playing the "what if" game.
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Sorry, I worded my post wrong. I meant what if someone was firing paintballs at joe nobody, and joe pulls out a gun and starting firing. Is that legal?
 
gymrat said:
so the "off duty" cop has a right to fire real bullets at the guy?
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Absolutely. That clown was an absolute fucking moron for doing that and is lucky, or maybe not, that he's not lying in a hospital somewhere or dead. That was a real DUMB move.
 
gymrat said:
Sorry, I worded my post wrong. I meant what if someone was firing paintballs at joe nobody, and joe pulls out a gun and starting firing. Is that legal?
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It's likely legal for Joe nobody to fire back since at the time they would likely feel their life was being threatened. You really don't have time to think about whether it's a real gun or a paintball gun at that point. The issue would come in whether Joe nobody had an intelligent enough lawyer to present the same information in court a lawyer for the police officer would should it go to criminal or civil court.
 
this argument is completely moot. A paintball to the eye will pulp the eye and cause permanent blindness if not brain damage

Is it worth shooting someone over keeping your eye, even if you knew he was only firing paintballs? absolutely.

the point is, if someone's assaulting you, you don't have to consider their welfare while defending yourself.
 
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