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Why do women never ask men out?

Why don't they make the first move - in 95% of the times- and usually expect the guy to do all the job (even if it means jeopardizing their chance with him)?

I'm sick of it.
 
I have had women ask me out before, its really a turn off for me, it takes the whole fun out of the thrill of the chase!
 
They just drop hints. Sometimes just to get you to take the bait so they can feel attractive without any intentions of ever following through. Occasionally, men do this as well.
 
chesty said:
bitches...all of them!

LOL. Match.com not working out for you?
 
It worked, but everyone of them have some psycho issue or some shit. I was out at the Library the other night saw a group called Metalhead and spent two hours in the middle of 20 hotties, one of which had no shirt on, just a loose blazer. She had perfect tits and nipples!
 
Pretty sure I asked out my last two boyfriends. Maybe a confidence issue for some women? Sure its not always a skankass bitch issue.
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"We deceive ourselves when we fancy that only weakness needs support. Strength needs it far more."
 
anthrax said:
Why do women never ask men out?

Why don't they make the first move - in 95% of the times- and usually expect the guy to do all the job (even if it means jeopardizing their chance with him)?

I'm sick of it.

I'm not too sure about this but here's another perspective...perhaps men can accept rejections more than women can and to an extent they are not so humiliated as much as women would feel should they be rejected, hence women would rather be in the decision-making position ie: having a man to ask her out and all she has to decide is whether to say yes, no or give some other excuses.
 
just get a few drinks in you, makes everything so much easier.

Sometimes its hard to tell if a girl likes you- unless you're on testosterone and every girl likes you. haha.

But each woman has their own ways of hinting, some hard to pick up on etc.
 
uh...welcome to the world

you see, in our (very rational) reality, men (who are supposedly in control) are supposed to work their balls off in order to secure money, housing, status, a wife, a 'future' and a whole other bunch of bullshit while the women on the planet are expected to...ummmm...lets see...look pretty.

and men think theyre in control

hahahahahahahhahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! *30mg morphine to the jugular*
 
GoldenDelicious said:
uh...welcome to the world

you see, in our (very rational) reality, men (who are supposedly in control) are supposed to work their balls off in order to secure money, housing, status, a wife, a 'future' and a whole other bunch of bullshit while the women on the planet are expected to...ummmm...lets see...look pretty.

and men think theyre in control

hahahahahahahhahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! *30mg morphine to the jugular*

lets get some of that brotha
 
99% of the time in relationships I've been in I've been the one who asked the guy out. I've always been kind of turned of by someone pursuing me. There were a couple of exceptions. I think I just wanted to feel like I was in control.
 
it happens pretty often. but most women want to feel the attention and feel the pursuit so they can get the ego boost. but more often than not (at least in my experience) the ones that make the first moves are more sexually "available"
 
GoldenDelicious said:
uh...welcome to the world

you see, in our (very rational) reality, men (who are supposedly in control) are supposed to work their balls off in order to secure money, housing, status, a wife, a 'future' and a whole other bunch of bullshit while the women on the planet are expected to...ummmm...lets see...look pretty.

and men think theyre in control

hahahahahahahhahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! *30mg morphine to the jugular*

Wait, wasn't that true in the 1950's? If women want equal rights and all that jazz, then they can't expect to sit home and wait for a man to call them, etc. Some women may still consider themselves to be 'Old Fashioned' and I think the term says it right there. I think it takes two working to secure money in this day and age, just so they can have nice things and retirement, and so on. I don't know - I just can't stand the type of mentality where a woman thinks a man is supposed to support her. I've worked since I was 15 and no one has every paid my way and never will.
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"We deceive ourselves when we fancy that only weakness needs support. Strength needs it far more."
 
Quadsweep's Sister said:
Wait, wasn't that true in the 1950's? If women want equal rights and all that jazz, then they can't expect to sit home and wait for a man to call them, etc. Some women may still consider themselves to be 'Old Fashioned' and I think the term says it right there. I think it takes two working to secure money in this day and age, just so they can have nice things and retirement, and so on. I don't know - I just can't stand the type of mentality where a woman thinks a man is supposed to support her. I've worked since I was 15 and no one has every paid my way and never will.
of course there are exeptions (such as yourself), though overall, the onus to be successful/financially secure etc etc is well and truly on the males in our society, and while women in this day and age are expected to have a job etc etc, it is far more acceptable for them to spend most of their money on themselves and take relatively little into a marriage

im not going to spend 30 minutes tapping away so as not to offend, and of course i realise that generalisations about large groups of people are a bit silly, but overall, if you took the average girl of marriagable age, waved your magic wand and turned her into a man, her (him) socioeconomic status, financial habits etc etc would count heavily against her (him) when viewed by a prospective (female) partner.

theres a bit of a double standard going on at the moment, as we go from a gender based (male dominated) to genderless society, and imo, men get the short end of the stick far more than the reverse. many women i know can have their cake and eat it, too, with their boyfriends 1) paying for everything when they go on dates, 2) protecting them physically when needed, 3) usually buying a house/unite, 4) mostly being expected to drive everywhere, while the girl, who is on around the same salary, either hoards her money or blows it on clothes/shoes/drugs/holidays

and dont you dare argue, im talking about my friends and their girlfriends/fiancees, alright! :D

personally, when a girl dates me, the following is provided: 1 (ONE! ...ok maybe two ;) ) drinks/coffees/cafe food, and some of the finest male company in town. thats it. kiss my butt!
 
Although I'm married, if I were single, I'd prolly not ask men out as: 1) I'm very shy when it comes to meeting people and 2) fear rejection.
 
ceasar989 said:
I'm poor a picking up subtle signals.

The only way I'll know the chick is interested in is if she's doing reverse cowgirl en moi.

That's because they never give you signals, loser.

just kidding



well, not really.
 
GoldenDelicious said:
...and dont you dare argue, im talking about my friends and their girlfriends/fiancees, alright! :D

personally, when a girl dates me, the following is provided: 1 (ONE! ...ok maybe two ;) ) drinks/coffees/cafe food, and some of the finest male company in town. thats it. kiss my butt!

Oh for the love of God...:rolleyes:

If I don't dare argue, then what? The conversation goes nowhere. So....if you are providing some of the finest male company in town, why do you provide drinks/coffee/food and whatever else you decide to throw in there? Because you 'feel' you're expected to or because you 'feel' its expected? I wouldn't expect you to, and yes, again that's me - but me is all I have to form an opinion about. Well, and maybe my friends who pretty much pay their way. But you see, we are older and established in our jobs and lives, went to college and knew we were going to have to make our own way. When it comes down to it - its how a woman is raised that creates a picture in her mind of "the way its supposed to be."

Maybe you just need to look a bit harder for a self-supporter - unless your happy with your coffee tab. :)
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Quadsweep's Sister said:
Oh for the love of God...:rolleyes:

If I don't dare argue, then what? The conversation goes nowhere. So....if you are providing some of the finest male company in town, why do you provide drinks/coffee/food and whatever else you decide to throw in there? Because you 'feel' you're expected to or because you 'feel' its expected? I wouldn't expect you to, and yes, again that's me - but me is all I have to form an opinion about. Well, and maybe my friends who pretty much pay their way. But you see, we are older and established in our jobs and lives, went to college and knew we were going to have to make our own way. When it comes down to it - its how a woman is raised that creates a picture in her mind of "the way its supposed to be."

Maybe you just need to look a bit harder for a self-supporter - unless your happy with your coffee tab. :)
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Mythicwrld

"We deceive ourselves when we fancy that only weakness needs support. Strength needs it far more."

Oh boy. I am available.
 
What the sexes really need is some sort of unbiased 3rd party or middle man at all times.

Hmmm....Perhaps an educated gerbil or hamster would do the job nicely. If he or she needed to pass on a message to someone, the rodent would wiggle its nose and then lead the pursuee to the pursuER.

Comprende?
 
chesty said:
Pursuing is too much effort

Fuckin A. Especially when you've got other responsibilities. I think I'm gonna drive down to Mexico tonight and get me a housekeeper/sex slave.
 
chesty said:
Pursuing is too much effort

Is getting out of bed in the morning too much effort? Bustin your balls, yes - but you put them out there...:)
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Mythicwrld

"We deceive ourselves when we fancy that only weakness needs support. Strength needs it far more."
 
Quadsweep's Sister said:
Is getting out of bed in the morning too much effort? Bustin your balls, yes - but you put them out there...:)
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Mythicwrld

"We deceive ourselves when we fancy that only weakness needs support. Strength needs it far more."

Quite frankly, getting out of bed is an effort :)

I went to college, Marines, etc, and even the college educated, self supporting women I have dated, still sit there at the end of the dinner waiting for me to pull out my card and pay for the bill. They don't even make an attempt at an offer till I am already paying. I think they are wanting to see what type of card I use or if I use cash. Like a subtle test to see if I am financially respectable enough to warrant their continued presence.

The pursuit can be fun, but it is too much effort when the girl thinks it is cute to play hard to get, etc. which is what I have noticed among the female ranks. They like being pursued and intentionally make it difficult to get to them. I am not into that kind of pursuit. That is just bs games!
 
chesty said:
Quite frankly, getting out of bed is an effort :)

I went to college, Marines, etc, and even the college educated, self supporting women I have dated, still sit there at the end of the dinner waiting for me to pull out my card and pay for the bill. They don't even make an attempt at an offer till I am already paying. I think they are wanting to see what type of card I use or if I use cash. Like a subtle test to see if I am financially respectable enough to warrant their continued presence.

The pursuit can be fun, but it is too much effort when the girl thinks it is cute to play hard to get, etc. which is what I have noticed among the female ranks. They like being pursued and intentionally make it difficult to get to them. I am not into that kind of pursuit. That is just bs games!

Chesty. Just put a pic like this in your match.com profile and they'll come flocking to you. You won't have to put out any effort at all.
 
anthrax said:
Why do women never ask men out?

Why don't they make the first move - in 95% of the times- and usually expect the guy to do all the job (even if it means jeopardizing their chance with him)?

I'm sick of it.

Fear of rejection.....I've always said that if society depended on female agressiveness for procreation the human race would be doomed....
 
I'm aggressive once i get to know someone
JavaGuru said:
Fear of rejection.....I've always said that if society depended on female agressiveness for procreation the human race would be doomed....
 
Not really.. Maybe if no guy ever went for me i would feel differently..

I haven't ever felt the need to go after a guy
chesty said:
That's like saying I'll shoot back after I get shot
 
So then, how hard is it for a guy to pick up on you?
 
No, serious. If I were to run into say at a club, how would I know whether or not to even ask you your name let alone try to start up a conversation, etc?
 
I'm always smiling.. or laughing...

cept at the gym.. there i mean business
chesty said:
No, serious. If I were to run into say at a club, how would I know whether or not to even ask you your name let alone try to start up a conversation, etc?
 
So, if I ran into you at the bar or something you would be smiling at me and I would know then I should put the moves on? That is kinda of a hard one, that could mean a lot of different things.

I mean what would be something specific that a guy could pick up on that you would be signaling that it was okay to advance?
 
IMHO the "Fear of rejection" argument is plain BS: how many single men will reject a female who ask them out?

A guy may think she's not his type but would, in most cases, take advantage of the situation and a have a little fun with her for a while
 
Quadsweep's Sister said:
Oh for the love of God...:rolleyes:

If I don't dare argue, then what? The conversation goes nowhere.
what! thou darest argue with The Delicious? :evil:

actually i was just trying to head off an outright denial :D sorry mate ;)

Quadsweep's Sister said:
So....if you are providing some of the finest male company in town, why do you provide drinks/coffee/food and whatever else you decide to throw in there? Because you 'feel' you're expected to or because you 'feel' its expected?
no, its because *I* like having casual refreshments and am more than happy to pay for them for anyone who sits with me. and of course, seeing as im about use use and abuse them for sex, its only fair that i pay, you know, 5 bucks for drinks so that they dont feel toooooo bad after and say bad things about me to their frineds...who might be my next victims :evil: ;)

Quadsweep's Sister said:
I wouldn't expect you to, and yes, again that's me - but me is all I have to form an opinion about. Well, and maybe my friends who pretty much pay their way. But you see, we are older and established in our jobs and lives, went to college and knew we were going to have to make our own way. When it comes down to it - its how a woman is raised that creates a picture in her mind of "the way its supposed to be."
quick, get over here and start giving seminars :D i know lots and lots of professional girls (not prostitutes ;) ...doctors, lawyers etc) and they must be related to chesty's dates ;)

Quadsweep's Sister said:
Maybe you just need to look a bit harder for a self-supporter - unless your happy with your coffee tab. :)
eh the coffee tab wont break the bank ;) its alright ;)

...the rohypnol costs more ;)
 
chesty said:
It worked, but everyone of them have some psycho issue or some shit. I was out at the Library the other night saw a group called Metalhead and spent two hours in the middle of 20 hotties, one of which had no shirt on, just a loose blazer. She had perfect tits and nipples!


lol wednesday nite at the library

i prolly saw u there LOMMGMMG
 
generally speaking, the girls who made the first move were sexual freaks ( :chomp: ), but they also ended up cheating ( :redhot: ). iow, they see something they want they go get it. today thats you, next day/month/year its the next guy. you go out the way you came in.

both behaviors are probably related to higher than average test levels (sexual agression/STRONG libido and wanderlust) - iow their brains are wired more like a guys brain is.
 
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GoldenDelicious said:
what! thou darest argue with The Delicious? :evil:

actually i was just trying to head off an outright denial :D sorry mate ;)

no, its because *I* like having casual refreshments and am more than happy to pay for them for anyone who sits with me. and of course, seeing as im about use use and abuse them for sex, its only fair that i pay, you know, 5 bucks for drinks so that they dont feel toooooo bad after and say bad things about me to their frineds...who might be my next victims :evil: ;)

quick, get over here and start giving seminars :D i know lots and lots of professional girls (not prostitutes ;) ...doctors, lawyers etc) and they must be related to chesty's dates ;)

eh the coffee tab wont break the bank ;) its alright ;)

...the rohypnol costs more ;)

Well, at least you admit the use and abuse. If they're the type of girls that go for this tryst then I imagine the $5/drinks/bed...triple play would suit them just fine. If they're related to Chesty's dates then they are just sad. A gal who 'sits there' and waits for a guy to pull out a card to pay and says nothing is just a selfish person in general. If I am out with someone, I make sure both of us know in advance where we stand for the evening, ie; This is on me or vice versa - and then next time the other picks up. Just common courtesy and kindness I think. Not everybody's made of money so its nice to be treated once in awhile, guy or gal.

Roofies....whateva!!!
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tiger88 said:
lol wednesday nite at the library

i prolly saw u there LOMMGMMG

Remember the lead singer Lucky when he stopped the show to point out "hot chic, hot chic, hot chic, DUDE!"? That was me he was pointing at. I could have cared less as all the hot chics were around me! Best seat in the house.
 
Quadsweep's Sister said:
Well, at least you admit the use and abuse. If they're the type of girls that go for this tryst then I imagine the $5/drinks/bed...triple play would suit them just fine. If they're related to Chesty's dates then they are just sad. A gal who 'sits there' and waits for a guy to pull out a card to pay and says nothing is just a selfish person in general. If I am out with someone, I make sure both of us know in advance where we stand for the evening, ie; This is on me or vice versa - and then next time the other picks up. Just common courtesy and kindness I think. Not everybody's made of money so its nice to be treated once in awhile, guy or gal.

Roofies....whateva!!!
sisterofquad, for future reference, i just want you to know that between 30 and 90 percent of my posts are bullshit, usually designed to entertain....me :D

SO just so you know, i dont use and abuse women. i actually treat them very well, unless they piss me off and lose my respect, in which case they become a plaything i use to tickle my ego ;)

oh and ive only ever touched rohypnol when giving it to a patient :)

oh and im not cheap on dates - but given my current location and the accompanying social demographic (read: scum) i am far less generous than i would be in other states, because im a bit jaded, and guarded because of it

all in all it would be nice to go out with women who were independent, self sufficient, and had a bit of style....then id simply proposition them and that would be that ;)

(after the rohypnol ;) )
 
anthrax said:
IMHO the "Fear of rejection" argument is plain BS: how many single men will reject a female who ask them out?

A guy may think she's not his type but would, in most cases, take advantage of the situation and a have a little fun with her for a while

I've turned girls down before. One girl even told her friends I was gay after I told her no.
 
i've made the first move on many of ocassions. If its the right person and the right time i am completely comfortable with that. My first impression of a person is very important, If i feel it then I go for it. If not then he's yesterdays news.
 
Mavafanculo said:
generally speaking, the girls who made the first move were sexual freaks ( :chomp: ), but they also ended up cheating ( :redhot: ). iow, they see something they want they go get it. today thats you, next day/month/year its the next guy. you go out the way you came in.

both behaviors are probably related to higher than average test levels (sexual agression/STRONG libido and wanderlust) - iow their brains are wired more like a guys brain is.

Makes sense
 
Quadsweep's Sister said:
If I am out with someone, I make sure both of us know in advance where we stand for the evening, ie; This is on me or vice versa - and then next time the other picks up. Just common courtesy and kindness I think. Not everybody's made of money so its nice to be treated once in awhile, guy or gal.

OMG sense!

Aweseome
 
Smurfy said:
OMG sense!

Aweseome


The problem is that the whoever pays first can quite easily get the short end of the stick as the one who more than likely will not get the chance to receive the same courtesy on the second date as most dates never go past the first.
 
chesty said:
The problem is that the whoever pays first can quite easily get the short end of the stick as the one who more than likely will not get the chance to receive the same courtesy on the second date as most dates never go past the first.
I assume you are speaking of your own personal experiences.
 
Evil_Frisky said:
i've made the first move on many of ocassions. If its the right person and the right time i am completely comfortable with that. My first impression of a person is very important, If i feel it then I go for it. If not then he's yesterdays news.

I hear ya on the first impressions part, but if you hadnt noticed, people suck at them. A lot of the time they are either not themselves (and might give off a good FAKE impression) or are a little conservation because perhaps they are nervous. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and assume that their first impression isnt their best, because I know for a damn fact mine isnt. If you skip out on those who arent so upsie daisy the first time round, you are missing out on a lot of quality people.

And if you say you dont have enough time for them to roll around (and I'm not saying give them a LONG time) make time. If you're looking for a person to add to your life, its best to do the filtering process a little more efficiently rather than speedy.
 
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