Making Muscle Last the Years

[stevesmi]

^^ again no one can answer your questions exactly.

we can make assumptions. and like i said above.. if you keep eating, workout out hard, and are disciplined you stand a greater chance of keeping your gains then a guy who doesn't

 

[C.K.]

I think an ideal first cycle for a man would be T prop 150mg every other week. That's one week natty, one gassed up, for a total of 16 weeks. The short ester punches that T up prior to the first hard workout, and you hit it again to keep it up through the workouts and the first rest day. Allow the levels to fall back to normal within 7 days and maybe you never suppress your gonadal production at all.

You'd run that with a pretty standard hard/easy workout cycle. So hard week gassed up, easy week natty. Might possibly need to raise the total weekly dose in 50mg increments every 4 week depending on results.

For someone who really did train all the way to the natural limit, I bet the gains from a cycle like this would be quite nice.

get your female dosages outta here

 

[zwhit]

^^^agreed. It all boils down to the extra nitrogen retention we get from the juice. Without it gains will eventually fade.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I disagree. It's possible to maintain some of the gains, but it will require proper training , increased nitrogen retention (That's where GEAR is a godsend). And it won't be 50 pounds over your limit. Maybe 15-20.

And eventually, HRT -- but I'd wait until after 40 for that.

 

[GreenEggsnHam]

IN THE LONG RUN U WILL LOOSE ALL of wat u gain beyond your natural 100% limit

PCT, supplements etc might slow it down but at a minimal rate, but fact is, you will loose it

how fast will you loose it? well it really depends on your genetics and other factors

alot of guys will admit that once theyve passed there natural limit it wont be longer then 6 months before uve lost most of wat uve gained beyond your natural limit

HOWEVER that being said, alot of guys underestimate or overestimate there natural limits, ive seen some guys hit 455 bench press and once coming off cycle went back down to 335 with a period of 3 months

while other guys ive seen carry 19.5inch arms lean and stayed off AAS for over a year

everyones genetics do vary,

i can use myself as an example n tell ya wen i use to come off cycle i use to loose almost all my arm size n strength i ever gained becoz my arm genes are very poor, while my back hardly looses any size wen i was on or off, while on other hand once i came off AAS and train my shoulders, everytime i walk into the gym my dumbell shoulder press will become 2 reps weaker everytime i trained my shoulders

people are always trying to maintain there AAS gains but realistily those who do maintain there gains or 100% of there gains are they guys who start on 160 pounds, gain 20 pounds n then brag how theyve maintained all there gains

while some other AAS users are not off AAS for very long periods of time or they cycle on and off n never have enough time to see how much of there gains they will really loose as they hop back on AAS again to prevent the muscle loss and regain what theyve lost

but apart from all this, there is always simple math to make my point clear

we all know testerone is anabolic/androgenic (muscle building/fat burning) and is naturaly produced by the male body

we know the more testerone you take the more muscle you can build/maintain and burn fat

now on average we can say a male naturaly produces the equivalant to 100-150mg of testerone cypionate weekly

you train naturaly (100-150mg tsteron) for years and finally hit your natural 100% limit

so you decide to take 500mgs of testerone cypionate for 12 weeks to make gains BEYOND ur 100% limit

now you come off AAS and are back on 150mgs or 100mgs

how long do you think muscle mass gains that required 500mgs of testerone will last?

Well then it would seem unless your gonna juice more than once to maintain the mass. What is the point in juicing at all? All it is, is added risks to your natural t level and your telling me youll never be able to maintain it anyway for a long period of time without AAS. In this sense I dont see the purpose of roids then? Or is it because its so hard to reach your 100% genetic limit

 

[gymjunkie09]

You think too much everyone is different also depending on pct and diet and consistent training there is no rule or definite answer to your question

lol