Making AS legal???

[Zyglamail]

Well, it was probably made a law back when not much was known about AAS. And there is still alot that we don't know, let's just face the facts...there hasn't been enough research done on AAS on healthy men to warrant them being decriminalized.

AAS were invented to help sick people, not to be used by people without serious complications...alcohol and tobacco were made for everyone to get fucked up. I think the fact that steroids are medicine and alcohol and tobacco are recreational substances is the reason why this all started in the first place.

So, just because alcohol/tabacco have been around so long and are used for recreation...regardless of how many deaths have been documented to them, makes them legitimate and legal while something designed for medical use is illegal even though there have been virtually no deaths attributed to it. What you are saying is that in one case gov ignorance allowed tabacco/alcohol and that gov ignorance is fine and dandy however when an individual tries to claim ignorance in a court of law it doesnt fly.

I just find it very hipocritical of the government to allow things that have proven fatal time and time again while disallowing others that have far fewer sides.

As for people going out and fucking themselves up with AAS, its gonna happen weather its illegal or not and if its not AAS it will be booze and tabacco or even other drugs. You cant save man from himself, all you can do is educate him. Darwynism at its best and instead of letting natural selection take its place our gov is playing god....but only when it suits them. We could collectivly (we as in the fitness community) come up with a plan that would not only allow the educated use os AAS by keeping it illegal but have an education system in place whereas one gould attain a "license" to use the product. This would in essence allow those who were dedicated enough to go through the proper education and use AAS while still keeping legal ramifications in place for those that did not follow proper procedure. This would be a win win for AAS users as well as the government since they could potential tax the education process, sell licenses and tax AAS itself. This could also greatly benefit the research community since AAS use would be such a taboo subject. Will something like this ever happen?

 

[Bulldog_10]

We could collectivly (we as in the fitness community) come up with a plan that would not only allow the educated use os AAS by keeping it illegal but have an education system in place whereas one gould attain a "license" to use the product. This would in essence allow those who were dedicated enough to go through the proper education and use AAS while still keeping legal ramifications in place for those that did not follow proper procedure. This would be a win win for AAS users as well as the government since they could potential tax the education process, sell licenses and tax AAS itself. This could also greatly benefit the research community since AAS use would be such a taboo subject. Will something like this ever happen?

That sounds like it has potential...will it ever happen? That's depends if anyone wants to take the initiative and start something. You don't even have to get most people on your side...how about starting with a few doctors and scientists who have studied AAS, and think it should be decriminalized? If you get doctors saying that it can be used safely, you have a good start. Why not start by contacting a doctor who published an article about AAS use in healthy men? See what he has to say, and see if he thinks it should be decriminalized.

You can't just complain about it, and say it's wrong, but never do anything about it. Things are being done about tobacco, things can be done about AAS...it's just that no one has that much faith that it can happen...so no one is going to try.

 

[IronKop77]

Zyg your suggestion makes perfect sense Im sure it has it fall backs but it sounds like it could be a great start. I think half this battle is education. We (s in those of us on this board etc) know that steroid sides are greatly exagerated. All you hear about is roid rage and a shrunken package when in reality test gives most users a feeling of well being. If we want to make a change the time to start is now and here on this board. Get this out on the anabolic board. Get the idea out to other boards. Convince others to write to magazines of all sorts health and fitness oriented and weekly ones such as time newsweek etc. Have someone set up a website( I would if I had the knowledge but I lack in that area) with links so they can go to the site, point and click to e-mail their senators. Also have the site setup to educated the general public. Its only getting worse the gov. is now trying to ban prohorones ephedra and the such. I agree with maybe some kind of regulations for purity and potency of products and making it harder for false label claims but to downright make those things illegal Come on!
We need ot change this momentum the fitness industry is a several billion dollar business so there has to be some backing out there!
To me this isnt just a case of decriminalizing AS use its about us getting some of our rights back. Its bbullshit that we can spend years in jail for taking up a harmless hobby and healthy lifestyle. Granted there may be those that will abuse; but you dont think we have that now; look at greg valvoline!!!

 

[Zyglamail]

To me this isnt just a case of decriminalizing AS use its about us getting some of our rights back. Its bbullshit that we can spend years in jail for taking up a harmless hobby and healthy lifestyle. Granted there may be those that will abuse; but you dont think we have that now; look at greg valvoline!!!

Exactly my point. People talk about the potential for abuse with AAS and yes, it does exist and the last thing I want to see are a bunch of high schooler juicing. However at the same time I find it extremely hipocritical that cigaretts have been proven addictive AND DEADLY and are freely allowed.

For example look at the following quotes from the DEA web site.

The CSA places all substances that are regulated under existing federal law into one of five schedules. This placement is based upon the substance's medicinal value, harmfulness, and potential for abuse or addiction. Schedule I is reserved for the most dangerous drugs that have no recognized medical use, while ScheduleV is the classification used for the least dangerous drugs. The act also provides a mechanism for substances to be controlled, added to a schedule, decontrolled, removed from control, rescheduled, or transferred from one schedule to another.

Now if you ask me cigaretts have no medicinal value, they have been proven harmfull time and time again and account for nearly half a million deaths each year and lastly they are also addictive. Tabacco fits the description of the DEA's statements much more so than AAS, yet our hipocritical government is getting their pockets lines by the tabacco industry so its ok.

 

[wit]

I work in politics in Washington, DC, so it's appropriate that I finally register and make this my inagural post.

Some of you may think that this town is run by "big interest" and "big money" and the laws are made by some obscure politicians and bureucrats. In reality, neither is all that true. Laws pass all the time with only small, but voicerous, grassroots support, and bills get killed very often just because a few constituents complain. It it almost laughably easy for a few groups to organize and flood a congressman's office to demonstrate that his district is pro/against something.

That said, criminalizing AAS is easy to be in favor of, but hard to be against. As mentioned above, there's a sizable interest in keeping AAS illegal, and there's literally _NO _notable_ interest_ in making them legal. More people fight to legalize hard drugs than AAS.

That said, it is not all that hard to block new stringent regulations, but AAS users/supporters completely dropped the ball in ~92 when stiffer penalties were enacted.

Looking to the future, an easy first step for most people should be contributing money to a lobby/nonprofit group with a libertarian bent and good AAS/drugs proposals/focus. Gear costs lots of money, and if you want to make sure that it is available to you in the future, you should budget a certain % of your gear budget towards decriminalization/recrassification efforts. The key is to make yourself heard, but most gear users want to keep the lowest profile they can. (understandably so)

-wit

 

[Spidey]

Here's a thought (perhaps a naive one): Has anyone ever challanged a personal posession arrest on constitutional grounds that the law violates your constitutional right to "pursuit of happiness"? I mean, how can a substance that is not physically addictive, has no direct or indirect effect on any second parties and does not pose any danger to society at large be legally banned? Isn't that an unconstitutional law? That's like creating a law making possesion of gensing illegal. How could a law like that survive a challange on constitutional grounds?

Rick? RW?

 

[Zyglamail]

Here's a thought (perhaps a naive one): Has anyone ever challanged a personal posession arrest on constitutional grounds that the law violates your constitutional right to "pursuit of happiness"?

The truth of the matter is your happiness doesnt mean shit and takes a back seat to the politicians wallets. Your own personal happiness was just tossed in to give you the warm fuzzies and has no bearing on what you are allowed to do. AFter all the government feels we are all morons and therefor has to limit what we can do to ourselves and thereby save us from ourselves.

Have you ever wondered why you have the freedom to not eat and starve yourself to death, but you cant commit suicide?

 

[Spidey]

The truth of the matter is your happiness doesnt mean shit and takes a back seat to the politicians wallets. Your own personal happiness was just tossed in to give you the warm fuzzies and has no bearing on what you are allowed to do. AFter all the government feels we are all morons and therefor has to limit what we can do to ourselves and thereby save us from ourselves.

Have you ever wondered why you have the freedom to not eat and starve yourself to death, but you cant commit suicide?

LOL, your views on the US government are pretty well known. However, politicians (even corrupt, money-grubbing ones) can't change the constitution (at least without a 2/3 majority).

My question was a serious one. Why can't the AS laws be challanged on constitutional grounds? Surely a good lawyer who knows the way around a library could put together a shit-load of clinical and scientific evidence to discredit the mistaken impressions people have of steroid use. This would take the wind out of the sails for the government to claim that AS use is harmful to any second party or society at large and without that contention, the law becomes an unconstitutional infringement of your rights doesn't it? What would happen if such a case went before the supreme court?

 

[Zyglamail]

LOL, your views on the US government are pretty well known. However, politicians (even corrupt, money-grubbing ones) can't change the constitution (at least without a 2/3 majority).

My question was a serious one. Why can't the AS laws be challanged on constitutional grounds? Surely a good lawyer who knows the way around a library could put together a shit-load of clinical and scientific evidence to discredit the mistaken impressions people have of steroid use. This would take the wind out of the sails for the government to claim that AS use is harmful to any second party or society at large and without that contention, the law becomes an unconstitutional infringement of your rights doesn't it? What would happen if such a case went before the supreme court?

Because the laws take precedence over your constitution rights. Beleive me, I wish your arguement would hold up in court but lets face it , it wont. and for every claim we come up with saying its not harmfull they will come up with their own experts claiming it is.

 

[Rick Collins]

Part of the reason I wrote LEGAL MUSCLE was to provide a referenced, supported authority for what's wrong with our steroid laws. Chapter by chapter, my goal was to build a compelling case for the conclusion that we've made a terrible mistake in our approach.