Making AS legal???

[IronKop77]

Rick what would it take to make steroids legal in the United States?
I honestly understand where the government is coming from when it comes to the legality of certain drugs because thru the use of them others in society can be at risk. But I dont understand how the US government can put bans on such items as AS and other prescription drugs without posing a script. Now they are targetting ephedra and prohormones. How do these drugs fall into the same category as coke or crystal meth? When takin no one else is in harms way with the exception of the user, and if the user is even remotely educated in that area it is even of little risk to them. All I want to do is be able to juice legally and not worry about legal ramifications. I understand they dont want teenagers and such getting their hands on something that can be POTENTIALLY dangerous but what about the blue colar middle class health guru/bodybuilder.
Is there anything we as the people the US citizens can do to change this? What would it take to lessen the penaliies or make AS legal when under a DR supervision.(this is just a suggestion to keep them out of the hands of ignorant people and kids).
I think we as a bodybuilding community and citizens of the United States need to voice what we want it is our country after all and honestly who is goin to oppose this besides some overweight politician? I dont understand how these laws even come into being?

 

[Zyglamail]

The problem with steroids and many other things really isnt the drug in question. Its about our government trying to make themselvges look as if they are doing something to better the country.

Think about it? The government almost always makes decisions that are detrimental to the minority. Now that in and of itself sounds like a democracy, where the majority wins. However here in the US it has nothing to do with the majority, the majority of people are not voting on these issues and most could care less about these issues. Its simply a witch hunt where the government seeks to justify its gross overspending. Its so mired down that it cant actually accomplish anything of mass importance (ie hunger, shelter, jobs etc) that it concentrates on smaller issues with less impact. If you went around and asked people for a list of 10 things they think should be addressed, do you think steroids would be on the list of most people? Of course not, most people do not care.

The gov cant work on getting rid of tabacco which has been proven fatal and kills nearly half a million people yearly in the US because there is too much money it it for them and too much opposition. Our government has strayed so far from the course its not even a democracy anymore, its a dictatorship in the guise of democracy.

 

[Rick Collins]

Zyglamail's astute comments remind me of a quotation about how bureaucrats operate. I'll try to find it later and post it. Anyway, of the things I wanted to accomplish with LEGAL MUSCLE, one of my primary goals was to provoke a discussion about our steroid laws and policy. While each chapter covers a different topic, taken all together they form a compelling case for reform. I recognize that there's a long road ahead on this issue, but the book is selling better than I thought it would to mainstreamers on Amazon. I'm grateful to have had the opportunity, in some small way, to help get people reading ... and talking.

Now, I'm off to the gym.

 

[IronKop77]

Ok so I understand that this is definately not an issue that the general public cares to deal with but I believe if presented accurate information the generla public would not object to this legalization. Isnt there a way we could bring this to the House if we all pull together and sign some kind of petition.
Just food for thought
iron

and Zyg i couldnt agree with you more yet I love this country for what it is supposed to be BASED on

 

[Rick Collins]

People have been brainwashed for years, and it's hard to undo it. I've been experiencing this on the prohormone issue, with which I am very actively involved. The general interest on Capitol Hill isn't to relax our steroid laws, but to expand them. The primary culprit behind all this is the sports anti-doping lobby, which has done a brilliant job over the last few decades of convincing the public that steroid use is not only dangerous but unethical, period. But the fight to save prohormones is forcing to some degree a reevaluation of our steroid laws.

 

[HULKSTER]

People have been brainwashed for years, and it's hard to undo it. I've been experiencing this on the prohormone issue, with which I am very actively involved. The general interest on Capitol Hill isn't to relax our steroid laws, but to expand them. The primary culprit behind all this is the sports anti-doping lobby, which has done a brilliant job over the last few decades of convincing the public that steroid use is not only dangerous but unethical, period. But the fight to save prohormones is forcing to some degree a reevaluation of our steroid laws.

As Rick said, the IOC (International Olympic Committee), as well as the hundreds of corporate-owned professional sports teams, as well as the politicians who force public bonds to finance new stadiums down voters throats, all have their hands in the hypocrisy of AAS laws. Banning AAS has more to do about keeping the integrity---and thus fan interest and profit---of professional sports, rather than using logic and intelligence. Once again, money has triumped righteousness, and the corporate owners and sponsors of Olympic and pro athletics have used their power over politicians to ensure they keep bringing in millions....at the expense of innocent bodybuilders being thrown in jail. Doesn't it piss all of you off that people have to be jailed for using AAS, just so corporations can continuing making millions by ensuring the integrity of professional sports?

 

[Bulldog_10]

I don't care what anyone says...if steroids were made legal, only bad things would happen. Especially in our inpatient society...everyone wants to see gains overnight, and most people think that juice is the answer.

Sure, there are many people, mostly guys on this and the other boards, that can use them responsibly...but for every one person that knows how to use AAS responsibly I am willing to be there are hundreds, maybe thousands, that have no fucking clue.

For now, basically everyone that knows how to use them responsibly also knows where to get them, and how to get them safely. Why is that not good enough? Sure, it sucks that good people get busted, but if you take a look at who gets busted, it's the people who make large orders. If customs grabs 20 amps of test and 100 tabs of dbol, they're most likely not going to pursue it. It's the people that order a shitload, even if it's for personal use, that get shit over it. I'm sure someone is going to come up with a story about how a guy got busted with a small amount, but I'm talking in general terms.

For now, I think it's best for them to be illegal...and all this government bashing is rediculous.

 

[Zyglamail]

For now, basically everyone that knows how to use them responsibly also knows where to get them, and how to get them safely. Why is that not good enough? Sure, it sucks that good people get busted, but if you take a look at who gets busted, it's the people who make large orders.

For now, I think it's best for them to be illegal...and all this government bashing is rediculous.

If you think only those making large orders are falling into the legal system your sadly mistaken and I am sure Rick can tell you storeis that would truely horrify you at just how little it takes for them to try and hit you with everything they can throw at you. Read Ricks book and you will hear of many such cases.


You make a good point that simply making them legal for anyone to buy would have dire consequences, but the fact that simple possession can be punished with jail time is a fucking joke at best. Like so many other issues AAS being made illegal was the easiest and cheapest thing to do, it wasnt the right thing, but then again doing whats right by the people isnt what government isnt about (any more).

Bulldog, as for government bashing, tell me my statements are not true. I am not anti government, they serve a purpose and governments cost money to run. However, our government has become a cancer that grows and devours. Maybe if the government spent less time hassling AAS users and more time watching murderers etc we would not have lost 11,000 lives on sept 11th.

Let me ask you this, the government is supposed to protect the people and look out for the general well being of its citizens, if that is the case, how come alcohol and tabacoo are legal and they are working to ban prohormones???? Answer me that! CORUPTION! As I have already mentioned, the goverment has expanded, created new things to govern, impose all sorts of rules etc that benefit virtually no one. If Professional baseball saw prohormones as an issue then the league should outlaw thier use, why on gods green earth should the rest of the public have to sit by and watch our tax dollars wasted by the millions for the fucking beurocrats to sit around and argue weather or not to make something illegal that affects an incredibly small portion of the actual countries population? Why arent they spending the effort they waste on issues like ephedra, prohormes etc on making sure our homeless have jobs, our starving have food and that we have affordable health care. They take and put such a high priority on dealing with issues that affect the minority just so they can simply justify their existance. Im saddened that the government sits and points fingers at AAS users and calls them criminals while they sit back in their comfy leather chairs smoking cuban cigars laughing all the way to the bank at our expense.

 

[Bulldog_10]

If you think only those making large orders are falling into the legal system your sadly mistaken and I am sure Rick can tell you storeis that would truely horrify you at just how little it takes for them to try and hit you with everything they can throw at you. Read Ricks book and you will hear of many such cases.


You make a good point that simply making them legal for anyone to buy would have dire consequences, but the fact that simple possession can be punished with jail time is a fucking joke at best. Like so many other issues AAS being made illegal was the easiest and cheapest thing to do, it wasnt the right thing, but then again doing whats right by the people isnt what government isnt about (any more).

Bulldog, as for government bashing, tell me my statements are not true. I am not anti government, they serve a purpose and governments cost money to run. However, our government has become a cancer that grows and devours. Maybe if the government spent less time hassling AAS users and more time watching murderers etc we would not have lost 11,000 lives on sept 11th.

Let me ask you this, the government is supposed to protect the people and look out for the general well being of its citizens, if that is the case, how come alcohol and tabacoo are legal and they are working to ban prohormones???? Answer me that! CORUPTION! As I have already mentioned, the goverment has expanded, created new things to govern, impose all sorts of rules etc that benefit virtually no one. If Professional baseball saw prohormones as an issue then the league should outlaw thier use, why on gods green earth should the rest of the public have to sit by and watch our tax dollars wasted by the millions for the fucking beurocrats to sit around and argue weather or not to make something illegal that affects an incredibly small portion of the actual countries population? Why arent they spending the effort they waste on issues like ephedra, prohormes etc on making sure our homeless have jobs, our starving have food and that we have affordable health care. They take and put such a high priority on dealing with issues that affect the minority just so they can simply justify their existance. Im saddened that the government sits and points fingers at AAS users and calls them criminals while they sit back in their comfy leather chairs smoking cuban cigars laughing all the way to the bank at our expense.

Well, first off, I think we all agree that prohormones suck and should not be on the shelves. So why not ban them? They're not good for people, and these companies are making millions on pretty much false claims.

I'm totally with you on ephedra, it shouldn't be banned, but there should be more warnings on it, and they should educate people on the dangers of its use. While that Orioles pitcher might not have known exactly what he was doing, it's safe to assume he was a somewhat intelligent man. And if a common, somewhat intelligent man can suffer such severe consequences from a substance, something must be done about it...especially when kids can buy this stuff off the shelves.

As far as alcohol and tobacco go, I think it's hypocritical to say that they should be made illegal while you also say that AAS should be made legal. Both have potentially harmful side effects, both have benefits. If used responsibly there is no problem with any of those substances. The one thing that seperates them is education...

Like I said in a post a couple weeks ago. When comparing AAS, alcohol and tobacco: It is MUCH easier to educate people on the proper use of alcohol and tobacco than it is to educate them on the proper use of AAS. It took me (and many other people I'm sure) about 2 years to fully understand how to use AAS properly enough to actually use it. It took me about 3 seconds to get the idea that I shouldn't drink and drive, and that smoking can kill me and doesn't have many potential positive effects. That's my theory on why they are legal while AAS is illegal. And sure, they keep alcohol and tobacco legal because of pressure from the companies manufacturing them...but those are billion dollar industries which are major contributors to our economy. Make them illegal and you're asking for trouble as far as our economy goes.

Now, when you tell me that people were busted for having small supplies of AAS I believe you...but can you honestly tell me that if you order 20 amps of test and a couple hundred dbol let's say twiec a year, you think the odds of getting in serious trouble are more then 1%? I seriously doubt it. I can tell you from experience that I've had 2 packages caught by customs, and they were't small orders, but all i got was a couple of letters. And that was enough to tell me to cut the shit.

And facing jail time for possession of a personal supply of AAS? I seriously doubt you there....I'm sure there have been rare cases...But you'll NEVER convince me that I could face jail time for a personal supply of AAS, as long as my criminal record wasn't shitty.

While there is no right and wrong on these issues, these are just my opinions, take them for what they're worth. If you think AAS should be made legal, or alcohol and tobacco should be illegal, do something about it...

 

[IronKop77]

Bulldog thats my point of starting this post. What the hell can we do about this. Im not all for 100% legalization becasue those who are going to abuse them will have easier acess to them but if you think these kind of people arent using them now your fooling yourself bro. I think there is a happy medium that can be achieved here to protect the public yet not restrict us. I dont think alcohol and tobacco should be made illegal. Thats just taking another right away from us. We are supposed to be free people until our freedom and personal good infringes on another person.


The government isnt supposed to be a parent figure telling us whats right and wrong and whats safe and not thru limiting what we can and cannot do to OURSELVES. The government is based on the functionality of society and the preservtion of rights and safety from others. Its to bad the gov doesnt run by these guidlines and the almighty dollar reigns. Im not bashing the gov I damn well love America and how it runs now but I think there is room for improvement. As time goes on things need to change for the better thats all im trying to get across.