Mag-10 or 1-AD

[pa1ad]

It would be interesting to me to see if the 10 people who voted that they are both scams HAVE EVEN TRIED THEM?

Why is it that the people who vote towards negativity have often not even tried the product?

Anyway, 1-AD worked great for me: 18 pounds in 5 weeks and bp went from 285 to 315 4x. I gained an inch on both arms and legs.

My workout partner (Mr Skeptical) also took 1-AD and experienced increase muscle mass and strength. This comes from the same person who never got ANYWHERE from andro.

Another thing I noticed was the joint relief while on 1-AD. Although I did seem to have a lower libido while on it. I'd stack andro with it if I was doing it again (going with real stuff next time).

The first and second generation andros basically dissapointed so many people that they simply refuse to believe that any prohormones will ever work. 1-AD is a vast improvement over the original andros but I am afraid you will never convince alot of people of that fact. But who cares? Those who tried the stuff and like it are happy, and to hell with the others.

 

[Phil T]

Well said! 1-AD works for me! However, I wouldn't discount any other prohormone as "crap" for that reason. Besides, some things just work better for some people. I gained 20 lbs in 2 weeks with 1-AD but someone else may not even gain 5 lbs. That doesn't mean 1-AD is crap. I think there are too many closed minds when it comes to some supplements.

 

[Complete Muscle]

...I'm still super-curious as to the conversion rate of 1-AD upon its entrance into the liver...

Me too. I'm trying to compare the cost effectiveness of 1-AD vs 1-test. Assuming the oral availability is about the same for both, the answer would lie in 1-AD's conversion rate. Anyone know what that is???

 

[Par Deus]

Me too. I'm trying to compare the cost effectiveness of 1-AD vs 1-test. Assuming the oral availability is about the same for both, the answer would lie in 1-AD's conversion rate. Anyone know what that is???

There is no direct data. The conversion rate of 4-AD (can't recall what tissue) was found to be 15%, and they use the same enzyme.

 

[pa1ad]

There is no direct data. The conversion rate of 4-AD (can't recall what tissue) was found to be 15%, and they use the same enzyme.

the overall conversion of 1-AD is definitely alot greater than 4-AD due to the favored equilibirium of 1-AD/1-test towards the 17beta-hydroxyl form over 4-AD

The 15% number was after incubation in whole human blood, which is certainly NOT an indication of what conversion is after oral administration (where the compound is subject to intensive metabolism in the liver before ever reaching the blood). Maybe if you took your prohormones IV then it may have limited meaning, I dunno

 

[MohawkMuscle]

Good info on this stuff..

Im going on 1-Ad and need to know how do I come off

 

[the nature boy]

Re: Re: Re: hmm...

Maybe we have some stupid sense of integrity. I blame my father, that bleeding heart Jimmy Carter like son of a bitch

this probably has to be the funniest thing i've read on the supps board.