my problem with them are for one madden talks to much about nothing. he always has something to say even though it's irrellevant. i notice all he does is cowboy and packer games. he knows football but he's not the ultimate authority on it though i think he thinks he is at times. summerall is just boring. monatone voice and very little input during the game. now i wonder if madden will stop making football games(video games) and let the same company use different announcers and have a wider variety of plays and such. should be interesting.