* M1-TEST CYCLE INFO, please assist!

[FORTUNE]

i can get nolvadex off a buddy for $1.60 CDN per pill....not sure if this is a good or bad deal or exactly what MG the pills are.....but here is my cycle plan:

14 day m1-test @ 15mg per day. 9 hours sleep in cold, very dark room, plus napping for expected "lethargy" side effect, diet on point 6-7 meals per day,2 whey iso shakes, lots of lean chicken breasts, tuna, cottage cheese, milk, some ANPB, good clean shit, TONS OF WATER...(for real)

stats: 6'3 / 165 lbs / 22 years old / been training pretty hard for years, compound movements going up well, deadlifted 255 today!, diet finally coming on point and seeing large gains in the past few months....i used to weigh even less believe it or not....some would say just EAT EAT EAT and this would be alright but i know myself too well and unless I see a massive body change I wont 'realllly' stick with bodybuilding , and only do it half assed.

I'm liking this SuperPump250 by Gaspari Nutrition as well and today will be day 6, taking 2 scoops on workout days and 1 scoop on non workout days (contains creatine, no2,etc) also now using omega 3 supps and a good multi-vit. this is a very good time in my life to do this cycle, lots of free time (a rarity, and i heard u get lethargic on the m1test...also i will not realistically be injecting test, just not gonna happen at this point in my life, even tho i know its better)

QUESTION 1: is there a TIME in the day (especially on workout days) when I should be taking the m1test....ie day, night, pre workout , 1 hour pre workout, pwo, etc?

QUESTION 2 and main question: HOW MUCH NOLVADEX do i need, what mg specifically, and when do i start using it (on day 1, on day 8?, not till the end?) and also do i need clomid. also, what SPECIFICALLY do i do for PCT?

QUESTION 3: are there any concerns using SuperPump250 (Gaspari Nutrition pre-workout forumla, creatine, no2,etc) with the M1-test? trying to avoid ephedrine because it suppresses appetite....might take a caffiene pill as well to stay focused

any other tips and info is seriously appreciated...i have a great training partner and i watched him get BEASTLY off the m1t's....i have done a high dose cycle of D-BOL (methylandrostenolone @ 35mg/day for 35 days) this was 3.5 years ago (ill advised cycle, shitty diet, training and too young, probably negatively affecting bone/growth plate development) and probably still have some gyno from that....im not afraid of gyno but i would like to avoid it , obviously, and kill it off. also afraid of high choloestorol (heard this happens with m1test and also liver toxicity...(LivTone or Milk thistle?)

i have delayed the college lifestyle and gone very very easy on the liqour and beer recently and wont be drinking a drop during cycle or PCT...and no weed either, weed made me feel very weird when I was on dbols,,very painful PAINFUL getting to sleep for some reason...)

dont mean to rant just want to give all the info possible, please please assist!! thanks so much EF has been fucking awesome from my transition from skeleton man 130 lb wet @ 6'3 to hopefully 210 jacked in the next few years....

 

[Iron Man #1]

I have took M1T a while ago. Don't get me wrong it did work just not the gains I expected. You are goin to have to take that for more than 14 days to get good results you are not going to blow up in 2 weeks. Also even if that were potent enought to do it eating just lean chicken breasts and tuna is not gonna let you just blow up. You need to eat a good portion of protein which it sounds like you are but also some carbohydrates as well as a good source a fat. As far as worrying about the nolvadex, personally i would say fuck it. I went on a cycle of m1t for about 6 weeks, never took any pct, my balls were back to normal in a week, and I kept about 90% of my gains if not all of it. I personally don't know anything about gaspari I hear it is supposed to be good. But hell yeah make sure you are taking your creatine with it trust me it will help. And yes I do strongly recomend taking the milk thistle as as a vitamin c source. Don't worry about the high cholesterol you are 6' 3" and 165 the last thing you have is cholesterol problems, you have other things to worry about.

No offense dude but if you are 22 and are proud you are deadlifting 255 you need to wake up and realize that just sucks. You need to start eating everything in sight, yes you are goin to put on a little bit of fat weight but you need to first be big then cut to what you want it is pretty much impossible to just get big and stay lean at the same time. If you went on a hardcore bulking diet, without the M1T and lifted with intesity, and stay away from the drinks for a while there is no doubt in my mind you will be able to deadlift 300 in max of 2 months.

 

[FORTUNE]

ya my lifts suck no doubt...no realization necessary....my bench is laughably low at about 150....long arms are not an excuse but they are fucking hard to work with. i could consider a slightly longer cycle for sure...somebody gimmie some more info on the nolvadex tho,, i dont agree with you that you dont need it, check this thread, where 10 people all disagree with your point completley, they say the nolvadex is absolutly necessary "if you want to have kids in the future" even, not to flame you, but check out this thread:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/18678-m1test-post-cycle.html

(some one please gimmie specifics on nolvadex!!!) what if i made it a 3 week cycle, where would i start using the nolvadex?

 

[mattrich]

wtf is m1 test???

 

[Triple J]

i am going to try to be nice abot this... you got no business messing with drugs you just need to learn to eat and workout right ... drugs will do you more harm than good at this point especially harsh substances like M1T

 

[FORTUNE]

first ,thanks for looking out for me and being careful. i actually appreciate your stance and opinion and if i was anyone else i would probably listen to you, but i have already done steroids before (as i explained) and i know how powerful and life changing they can be. even if i were to eat near perfectly and train near perfectly for almost a full year there is no way it will match the gains i can make off a proper cycle of m1test...granted it is not injectable test but my questions above were about nolvadex, when to take it in the day, how many milligrams and especially when to start, and also what to do for PCT. these were the specific questions i asked in this thread and i hope some experienced persons could help me awnser these questions...thanks! (for a 3 week cycle, of m1test at 15mg a day)

i have already convinced myself i am doing them because i need a massive change in my body, i hope u can accept this....i cant crawl from 165lbs to 175 after a year and then 185 after 2 years with no cycling ....i need a massive change to keep my focus, even 185 is LIGHTWEIGHT for my height, for my goals of 210 i will be far off that even after this cycle of m1test..

 

[mattrich]

i take it you're scared of needles then?

 

[FORTUNE]

ya for sure.....can anybody awnser my nolvadex related questions in the original post? what happened to the striaght up scientific awnsers elitefitness is known for....on topic awnsers are appreciated..thanks all

 

[mattrich]

i didnt know ef was known for giving 'straight up scientific answers'.
anyhow. i dont know what m1 test is but for almost every other steroid, keep nolva on hand in case you get signs of gyno. then start pct 2 weeks after last injection(but you're scared of needles )
40 mg/day for 2 weeks...... then
20mg/day for another 2 weeks.
done.
is m1 test long or short esther?

 

[camshaft]

wtf is m1 test????????????

 

[Pikaberdot]

M1T is "Methyl 1-Test"

It's a pro hormone.

Just to let you know, it's generally safer to inject Testosterone than try and take a Methylated Pro Hormone version of it for two reasons:

1- Your liver
2- Depot Testosterone (Injectable Testosterone) has been around for ages. Therefore, more research has been done on it and more is known. This means that any negative side-effects you may have will more easily be combatted.

The bottom line is get over the fear of needles, and you'll be better off because of it.

 

[iHulk]

seriously wtf is M1T?
You don't need Nolv with a 15mg ed dosing Test.
Advice is get over not sticking yourself & get some normal T (Sus, T-E, Prop).

 

[FORTUNE]

holy fuck your pic looks jacked...whoa.....is there seriously this little experience with m1t on this board? other boards it seems like everyone is trying it, or has recently tried it! thanks for the specific info....is there a time of day to take nolvadex....AND DO I NEED CLOMID? and how are they different..thanks for specifics...

 

[swole]

I've run 2 cycles of M1T, both with great results. You should really split M1T up in 6 week cycles, 2 ON, 2 OFF, 2 ON:

WK 1-2 15mg ED
WK 3-4 OFF
WK 5-6 20mg ED

You might want to keep it at 15 mg for the last 2 weeks, but I'm 205lb (usually around 210-215 at that point) and find 20mg is perfect to end the cycle with. See how your body responds. I recommend you check liver values as well.

I also suggest avoiding caffeine pills since M1T raises blood pressure. Try upping your carb intake instead.

PCT should be a normal 4 week dose of clomid, Nolva, etc. If you eat a boatload of clean carbs and protein, you should see a solid 10lbs of muscle following PCT.

Copy/paste off another board:

1. What is methyl-1testosterone?

Well, the simple answer is that it is 1-testosterone with a 17aa methylation. To go more in depth, I will explain what 1-testosterone is.

1-testosterone is a bit of a misnomer, in that, it isn’t directly related to testosterone; while they share similar characteristics chemically speaking, 1-testosterone is more closely related to boldenone (equipoise). In fact, 1-testosterone is the 5-alpha reduced version of boldenone (the same thing that turns testosterone into DHT - causing prostate and hair loss issues, among other androgenic side effects.) However, boldenone isn’t as androgenic as testosterone, so its 5alpha-reduced version isn’t as androgenic as dht, though it does seem to be more active than dht. Technically, 1-testosterone is really dihydroboldenone (dhb). This makes it very similar to primobolan and stenbolone, in that both primobolan and stenbolone are DHB with a 1-methyl and 2-methyl group attached, to make it more orally bioavailable.

2. Ok, so 1-test is really dhb, so what about m1t?

Well, when you add a 17alpha-alkylation to boldenone, you get the popular steroid dianabol (methandrostenolone). So adding the 17aa to 1-testosterone would make m1t the 5alpha reduced version of dbol, which is actually more potent and active than dbol itself. Since dbol does not bind well to the 5alpha reductase enzyme, there is a rather small amount of dbol converted into m1t.

3. Does m1t convert into estrogen?

No, the fact that it is 5alpha reduced prevents this.

4. So that means I can't get gyno from m1t.

No, gyno is a rather common side effect of m1t, while the 5alpha reduction should prevent the aromatization into estrogen; no studies have shown this to be the case. It is more likely that m1t gyno is progesterone or prolactin induced. Nolvadex should still help prevent/alleviate any gyno symptoms. Supplementation with vitamin B6 @ 300mg a day may also prove useful.

5. Will m1t make my hair fall out?

It can - m1t is very androgenic, which can lead to many androgenic side effects such as acceleration of male pattern baldness, benign prostate hypertrophy, acne, and aggression. Finasteride (propecia) would have no effect on this; the only solution would to use a topical agent such as spironolactone, minoxodil, azelaic acid, or nizoral shampoo.

6. Are there any other side effects?

Yes, many people report bad bloating from m1t - the cause is unknown, but I could speculate that it is due to progesteronic activity. Many others report moderate to severe back cramping/tightness. Supplementation with taurine and potassium can help alleviate this side effect. Shut down of the HPTA is severe with m1t, so using testosterone or 4ad along with m1t would be advisable to prevent loss of libido. HCG would also be recommended during the cycle to prevent testicular atrophy. Lethargy is another side effect of m1t, the cause of this is unknown, but it is often reported. High blood pressure is one other major side effect of m1t. The increase in bp often causes headaches. Supplementation with hawthorn berry, garlic and/or celery extract should help alleviate some of these sides. M1t is 17alpha-alkylated, making it very harsh on the liver, so ideally your liver values should be checked before, during and after the cycle. Supplementation with alpha lipoic acid and milk thistle can help prevent liver damage. Other methylated substances SHOULD NOT be taken concurrently with m1t.

7. This stuff sounds nasty, why would anyone take it?

Well, because it is a very potent mass builder. It is without a doubt the most potent legal mass builder out there. So some people will risk the sides, to get big.

8. Is 6oxo enough for pct?

No, you should pct with nolva or clomid. 6oxo simply won’t cut it.

9. How do I cycle this stuff?

Well, it is recommended you run some form of compound that will convert to testosterone or testosterone itself. Here is the most common m1t stack:

Weeks 1-2 10mg m1t, 400-600mg 4ad (transdermally) (1500mg orally) a day

weeks 3-4 400-600mg 4ad (transdermally) (1500mg orally) a day * Note, some people run pct during these weeks, but it is likely not a good idea, since you wont have time to fully recover, and will just be shut down again soon.

Weeks 5-6 10mg m1t, 400-600mg 4ad (transdermally) (1500mg orally) a day

pct - nolva 40/40/20/20 (4 weeks) or clomid (3 weeks) 300 day one, 100 10 days, 50 10 days.

10. What is the half life of m1t?

Well, the active life is speculated to be around 12 hours. Though, I believe it to be at least 48 hours. There have been no tests to my knowledge to confirm or deny one way or the other, but from personal experience, m1t seems to last a couple days after your last dosage. Also, one could speculate that since m1t is a dbol derivative, its active life would be similar – around 9 hours or so. So this is definitely up in the air.

11.Will I lose all my gains after a cycle?

Not if you do proper pct and continue to train and eat properly after your cycle. Though, you will probably lose a few pounds of water after your cycle, this is expected.


12. What are the reccomended dosages?

Most people should start off with 10mg a day. Listen to your body and adjust the dosages as you see fit. The dosage should never exceed 20mg a day, unless liver values are closely monitored. Dosages of 40mg are not unheard of, but not recommended.

13. How long can I run m1t?

Most people prefer the 2on/2off/2on routine, but you could run it for 4 weeks straight. It should not be taken for more than 6 weeks straight.

14. How much can I gain on m1t?

If your diet and workout is in check, you could gain up to 20lbs in 4 weeks. The results will vary, but 10-20lbs is the most common. Keep in mind that some of this weight is likely water, and will probably be lost in pct – the lean gains should be kept though.

15. Can I run m1t with my cutting cycle?

You can – though m1t builds mass very well and quickly, so it is better suited for bulking, but remember, diet determines whether you cut or bulk.

 

[krishna]

What's transdermal 4ad? And this guy says that nolva will help with progesterone gyno?? WTF?

 

[alcatraz1662]

can't believe no one picked up on this...

stats: 6'3 / 165 lbs / 22 years old / been training pretty hard for years, compound movements going up well, deadlifted 255 today!

wow...you are no where near your full natural potential, buddy. stay off the sauce and EAT!!!

~Alc

 

[mattrich]

i've also read somewhere that another side is that it increases your bad cholesterols?

 

[swole]

i've also read somewhere that another side is that it increases your bad cholesterols?

yes, it's very harsh on the liver

i got my values checked after the cycle and they were fine, but then again i was heavy on the liver supps and don't drink while on and very little when i'm off

What's transdermal 4ad? And this guy says that nolva will help with progesterone gyno?? WTF?

4-AD is a prohormone that converts to test, ergopharm was famous for this product but it came in caps

the transdermal spray had a higher bioavailability than caps, it was called 4derm from dermabolics

4derm counters the loss of libido and the usual lethargy that comes with M1T since it converts to test

my first 2 cycles were prohormones, with proper planning you can acheive amazing results from these once legal products

i have gotten bigger and kept more of my gains than some AAS users I know using 4-AD trans with M1T...here's a pic following that cycle:

M4OHN, Superdrol and 1-AD were popular as well but since they're no longer legal AAS are by far the better choice nowadays

i'm currently in my 2nd week of this cycle:

WK 1-2 15mg M1T ED
WK 3-4 OFF
WK 5-6 20mg M1T ED
WK 7-20 600mg EQ EW
WK 16-20 60mg VAR ED

PCT: Nolva, Clomid
SUPPS: ProLiver (mostly milk thistle), hawthorn, cranberry, flax & fish oil, V8

 

[FORTUNE]

macrophage69alpha has told me that nolvadex is not necssaey and instead CLOMID at 50mg each day is necessary for "2-3 weeks" although i have to clarify if that is entirely POST cycle ...or if i start the clomid on cycle.?

info:

dont take nolva after m1t, its a progestin. Besides nolva is not particulary effective or proven for PCT (aside from claims by "gurus" that it is).

use clomid 50mg 2-3 weeks.

why are you using m1t? its a extremely toxic oral steroid that was discarded and not developed and just as illegal as legitimate pharmaceutical steroids

AIFM would be good with dbol, test, eq, etc. But ai's wont do much with m1t its a methylated progestin that does not convert to estrogen

AIFM is a separate or addition to clomid (pct)
it works by "killing" the enzyme that converts test to estrogen. its a suicidal inhibitor, arimidex is a competitive inhibitor.

if you want a good cycle it hard to beat TEST and an oral of your choice. you can add in a anabolic like EQ or NPP.

orals only cycles are pretty harsh on your body and progestins tend to disrupt the endocrine system alot. Would avoid an m1t cycle.


thanks for the great response, im so stubborn that im willing to try them more because i know they will be better than the dbols beacuse im using a lower dose, for less time, have WAYYYYY better training base, WAYYY better diet, and a great time in my life to actually do them and recover, plenty of time to sleep and workout.....stubborn move maybe but im NOT injecting until i get a nurse to do it for me...havent found one yet,gotta fuck em first i guess

 

[rg78]

You can go from 6,3 165 to 205 naturally in 1.5 years.

 

[golferstud84]

you may want to get some milk thistle or liver detox for your M1t.... i use to get constant liver pains taking that shit...

oh and btw m1t sux... tons of sides... its a POS in my opinion

but then again your to young anyways to be taking steroids so i guess pro hormones like m1t is a better alternative for you.... and 150 bench? shouldnt you try working out before you mess with extras?

injectable test is 1000x greater than m1t... there is no level of comparison on the 2 so i wouldnt mix it up with the steroid testosterone

 

[paridhm]

Does M1T have a high chance of causing progesterone-based gyno?

 

[hardgraf]

You don't need prohormones.

Your goal of 210 lbs is attainable naturally. You need to evaluate your diet.

I'm 6'7 & in under 3 years natural training have gone from 200lbs 14% bodyfat to my weight now of 235lbs 8% bodyfat.

I deadlift 400lbs for 5 reps & bench 245lbs for 8 reps.


I know It's hard with long arms & legs but at 6'3 you don't have that much of an excuse. Just eat & lift heavy, gains will come quick.