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Low test with higher tren?

SinisterUproar

SinisterUproar

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So it was suggested to me in another post where I was considering 500 mg test with 300mg tren per week, that I actually keep the test lower than the tren. Which would help with estrogen problems and actually help the tren work better. I'm just wondering who else agrees with this or has personal experience. I thought test was always suppose to be the highest mg ran in any cycle? Won't lower test kill my libido and whatnot?
 
im runnin 250mg test e a week and 100mg tren eod and have had zero sides so far

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SinisterUproar said:
So it was suggested to me in another post where I was considering 500 mg test with 300mg tren per week, that I actually keep the test lower than the tren. Which would help with estrogen problems and actually help the tren work better. I'm just wondering who else agrees with this or has personal experience. I thought test was always suppose to be the highest mg ran in any cycle? Won't lower test kill my libido and whatnot?
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Its not the low test that kills your libido, its the high prolactin from the tren.. control prolactin and you will be horny as hell..

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you obviously haven't been paying attention to my threads on this matter. i will go a step further and help you out. lower your test to 0. add in something like var or EQ instead with tren. then stack the cycle with 1 cap of phyto-serms a day. not only will sides be less but your results will be far superior. and you will be humping everything
 
Yes elevated prolactin is the cause of a lot of tren sides but this doesn't generally occur without elevated estrogen from the test. Keep the test at 100-150mg max. Sides are minimal even with higher doses of tren.
 
I tried tren with lower test and liked it....read Steves thread and ran tren ZERO test and loved it! Check out his threads, good reads. Also you need to try it ans see what works for you!
 
Currently on SteveMi's test P .75 EOD and Tren A 100mg EOD protocol for three weeks now and love this shit. A little more sweat during the day but very little sides. Horney as shit every morning. Read his thread and learn from his experience. "Kill it in the gym" gonna try and Zero out Test and add EQ or Var. lets see how it works for me.
 
im currently on with 200mg test n 400mg tren a week and zero sides. no sweats, no insomnia. prolactin controlled with caber. only side is 10lb gain in 2 weeks ;)
 
Test vs. tren is subjective at best. I prefer client go with lower doses of tren due to the sides (no matter if caber is used or not) but overall you can even balance the dose of T vs TR. The best is a shorter Tren run and a longer test run, with lower tren dosages and higher test dosages.
 
I think a lot of things will depend on the individual. If you get bad sides from higher dosed tren, you may be better off with a lower tren, higher test approach. Those that tolerate Tren well would probably enjoy the opposite more.

Just have to find what works best for you in terms of benefits vs sides
 
the reason why a higher dose of test in any cycle will increase sides is the high aromatization rate. the only AAS that aromatizes as fast and as much is dbol (and perhaps 'deca' although you don't hear it run as much as the latter). this is why you see guys who run dbol/test cycles bloat up like pigs. very hard to control estrogen related water retention
 
I am actually starting to lower the test dosagw on my cycle for this same reason. With eq at 600/wk and tren at 250/wk I am thinking the test may not be needed.

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SinisterUproar said:
So it was suggested to me in another post where I was considering 500 mg test with 300mg tren per week, that I actually keep the test lower than the tren. Which would help with estrogen problems and actually help the tren work better. I'm just wondering who else agrees with this or has personal experience. I thought test was always suppose to be the highest mg ran in any cycle? Won't lower test kill my libido and whatnot?
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Whatever you decide,,,use some testosterone with your TREN. I dont ever suggest running it solo.
 
stevesmi said:
the reason why a higher dose of test in any cycle will increase sides is the high aromatization rate. the only AAS that aromatizes as fast and as much is dbol (and perhaps 'deca' although you don't hear it run as much as the latter). this is why you see guys who run dbol/test cycles bloat up like pigs. very hard to control estrogen related water retention
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I would agree with that assessment for the majority. However some,like myself, never get sides or estrogen issues from aromatizing compounds like testosterone. I am one of the lucky ones that can get away with running higher test doses without an AI. I don't bloat on test, I'm currently running a long ester blend at 600mg test, 400mg tren, and 400mg Masteron per week along sith some EPI. I'm running no AI at the moment, because if anything my estrogen may be low just from the masteron and EPI. I am dry as a bone, and starting to notice the joint dryness. I'm experiencing zero side effects other than my cardio blowing balls and sweating at night from the tren. I wouldn't recommend that approach to everyone, but my body really seems to love and tolerate test well. At some point in the future I will probably try a higher tren, lower test cycle to see what I think, but I can't imagine enjoying it more than the cycle I'm on now
 
I've ran tren every way you can run it with test ranging from 250-1000 mg and tren from 150-800. The best cocktail to date with astounding results and no sides for me is 250mg test and 800 mg tren which I'm on now. In also running 300 mg decca and 200 mg mast with dbol and winny at the same time. The only cycle support and ais are n2guard and arimadex. No caber necessary and my libido is off the chain with 2 nandrolones. So IMO test dose should be low when running nandrolones for best results.
 
joeblow12345 said:
I've ran tren every way you can run it with test ranging from 250-1000 mg and tren from 150-800. The best cocktail to date with astounding results and no sides for me is 250mg test and 800 mg tren which I'm on now. In also running 300 mg decca and 200 mg mast with dbol and winny at the same time. The only cycle support and ais are n2guard and arimadex. No caber necessary and my libido is off the chain with 2 nandrolones. So IMO test dose should be low when running nandrolones for best results.
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Wtf is your goal from this cycle sounds like overkill
 
If you're bulking, run higher test, but I wouldn't suggest doing that for too long through the cycle. Sides typically (except for Rick) become too harsh. Switch it pretty quickly to lower test than tren. As was said, 100-150mg Test is good. Tren without test is also fine. Some of you believe too much shit without ever trying a damn thing.
 
ALIN said:
Whatever you decide,,,use some testosterone with your TREN. I dont ever suggest running it solo.
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when you run tren you ARE already running test. tren didn't come from rubber or plastic.. it is a male hormone.

its like saying you should add water to lemonade. lemonade is already made from water. the only difference is you will need a bigger glass cause it will be more. obviously more hormones will equal more sides. this is common sense.
 
I'm a lower dose test guy too, test gives me gyno and when I run a higher dose test with tren definite gyno... My favorite test dose is 125-250mg per week with tren or nandrolone at 100mg EOD, I could mess about with AI dosages etc to be able to run more test but it seems simpler to just add in compounds that don't give me those side effects... I looked WAY better when I used a lower dose of test with my tren....
 
SinisterUproar said:
Wtf is your goal from this cycle sounds like overkill
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To get as strong and muscular as possible in that time frame. Every compound is ran at low doses except the money maker tren. And the reason that is so high is to see how much I can push it without sides. And at 800 mg I'm experiencing little to none because my test dose is low and I'm controlling estrogen. And as with any cycle its about experimenting and learning.
 
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