Low test level...mods, need some input please.

[Rickdarula]

Alright bro's I need your input here.

I kicked off my first course of AAS about 5 months ago.

It consisted of 500mg/Week of Sustanon 250 and 300mg/Week of Deca for 16weeks. I then ran 600mgs of Cyp for an additional two weeks after my last Deca/sust shot. AI was 1mg of Adex EOD the entire cycle.

Two weeks after my final shot of Cyp, I started my PCT which was 6 weeks total. It consisted of 22mgs/Nolva, 500IU of HCG, and 1200IU of Vit-E ED for three weeks and then just 22mg of Nolva and the Vit-E for an additional three weeks.

My natural test level before my cycle was low normal 340's or so. I finished my PCT 6 weeks ago and just had my bloodwork ran again. It was a late afternoon draw and my total test came back 226!!

My cholesterol came down from 206 to 188 which is good but my test went from 2600 and change mid cycle to 226 six weeks after PCT!!

I made some great gains and lost a lot of BF on my cycle, but can I expect to lose everything I gain on cycle coming off to such a low test level everytime?

I haven't noticed any huge difference in my muscle mass or poundage in the gym yet. My sexdrive is still normal as well.

I guess my question is, do I have problems or can I work with a low normal test level in between cycles. I really don't want to go on HRT at 32.

 

[thebrakes]

sometimes PCT takes longer than 6 weeks, especially with very suppressive gear like deca. give it some time...in the meantime, try a milder, side-free AI like aromasin or formestane or androstenetrione. all three stimulate the HPTA.

 

[Zircon]

what was your pct like?

ur test level was low to start off with. But what was your free test, and what is it now?

Many also advocate using 6 weeks nolva 20mg ed...esp after ldeca cycle like urs

 

[Dellyo]

More info

 

[Zircon]

ur cycle was very long...as well ur ancillary usage doesnt make sense to me.

22mg nolva? huh?
HCG what doseage how much how long?

 

[Rickdarula]

ur cycle was very long...as well ur ancillary usage doesnt make sense to me.

22mg nolva? huh?
HCG what doseage how much how long?

I appreciate the responses, however all of the answers to your questions are in my post. I'll answer again anyway.

My PCT was 6 weeks total. It consisted of 22mgs/Nolva, 500IU of HCG, and 1200IU of Vit-E every day for three weeks and then I dropped the HCG and just took the 22mg of Nolva and 1200IU of Vit-E everyday for an additional three weeks.

On-cycle I took 1mg of A-dex eod.

Why does my ancillary usage not make sense?

 

[njmuscleguy]

sometimes PCT takes longer than 6 weeks, especially with very suppressive gear like deca. give it some time...in the meantime, try a milder, side-free AI like aromasin or formestane or androstenetrione. all three stimulate the HPTA.

^^^

completely agree with everything he said - it's tough for most people to recover from deca, especially after 16 weeks! I personally prefer aromasin as well... and I personally prefer clomid to nolva during PCT... if you're not noticing any negative effects on your workout performance and your libido, I suggest waiting a few more weeks then get bloodwork again... if it still is lower than where you should be, run another PCT for 4-6 weeks

 

[Ulter]

266 is GREAT 6 weeks post cycle. I would try some Clomid for a couple weeks and just continue what you're doing.

 

[Dellyo]

I appreciate the responses, however all of the answers to your questions are in my post. I'll answer again anyway.

My PCT was 6 weeks total. It consisted of 22mgs/Nolva, 500IU of HCG, and 1200IU of Vit-E every day for three weeks and then I dropped the HCG and just took the 22mg of Nolva and 1200IU of Vit-E everyday for an additional three weeks.

On-cycle I took 1mg of A-dex eod.

Why does my ancillary usage not make sense?

Update us

 

[tbolking]

i cant stand clomid for more than 4-5 days i wish there was something better. but clomid is the best out there for PCT

 

[Rickdarula]

i cant stand clomid for more than 4-5 days i wish there was something better. but clomid is the best out there for PCT

Everything I read seemed to state that Nolvadex was a superior product to clomid and was the prefered choice for PCT. That coupled with the fact that clomid has a tendency to screw with your eyesight...I stayed away from it.

I know every body is different. Have most experienced better recovery with Clomid vice Nolvadex when used in conjunction with HCG?

Would running some AIFM help boost my natural test levels up to a better range without inhibiting my natural recovery?

Ulter, my T level was 226 and it's been about 11 weeks post cycle. I waited two weeks to start PCT, ran my PCT for 6 weeks and its been about 3 weeks since I discontinued my PCT. Do you still think my level is somewhat normal after such a long cycle?

TIA

 

[Rickdarula]

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[Zircon]

Apologies I didnt see "ED" and the 22mg confused me. Still wonder why 22 and not 20mg?

Anyway. It looks fine. THe only thing I can think of is I would have added clomid (which u dont like) - even at 50mg ed?

And perhaps in week 2 and 3 run the nolva at 40mg, but thats debateable.

I can only think of keep running the nolva at 20mg ed. It was def a long cycle, so you would take a hit on hpta.

Are your nuts back to full size?

What is your LH? Your total test was pretty low to start off with.

 

[Rickdarula]

Apologies I didnt see "ED" and the 22mg confused me. Still wonder why 22 and not 20mg?

Anyway. It looks fine. THe only thing I can think of is I would have added clomid (which u dont like) - even at 50mg ed?

And perhaps in week 2 and 3 run the nolva at 40mg, but thats debateable.

I can only think of keep running the nolva at 20mg ed. It was def a long cycle, so you would take a hit on hpta.

Are your nuts back to full size?

What is your LH? Your total test was pretty low to start off with.

No worries bro. The explaination for 22mg's is the Nolva I used came in 11mg tabs....why 11mg's who knows...so I took 2 a day.

I ran my PCT based off what I read here and in lewllyn's and AR's books. I read that some stack Nolva and Clomid, however I couldn't find any real reason why you should do that besides a carpet bomb effect. Everything I read stated that Nolva is the superior SERM on a mg for mg basis. Since this was my first go, I kept it simple...Nolva and HCG. Maybe it wasn't enough Nolva, maybe I should have shot more HCG...or maybe I just have a low natural test level so 226 11 weeks post-cycle is right on for me. Being this is my first time for everything it's hard to tell.

My nuts seem to be back to full size and my sex drive seems normal. My nuts definitely atrophied some on-cycle and my sex drive was through the roof of course.

I ordered some AIFM, so I will try that out and get my bloodwork taken again in another few weeks.

 

[Rickdarula]

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