Low Libido/test, PCT advice

[mattyaggy]

Hi,

This is my first post on any forum. In 2010 I did 2 courses of deca on it's own, I finished the last one in Jan 2011 and it shut me down hard. I was/am completely clueless on what I was doing and did no PCT at all. (I know it's stupid, I have more than learnt my lesson trust me). For about a year I had virtually no sex drive and had bloodwork done about 4/5 times during the year, my test was always on the borderline on the very lowest level of 'normal', LH, FSH both absolute bottom of normal too. For a year I had no libido or morning woods or anything. I saw 3 endocrinologists who all told me to 'wait for my body to naturally recover'.

About 4 weeks ago I started Nolva 20mg ed and clomid 100mg ed. My balls gradually got bigger and my sex drive gradually increased, until after about 3 weeks I felt completely normal and was getting morning woods and thinking about sex all the time. At this time, about 9 days ago, i dropped my dose down to Nolva 10mg ed and clomid 50mg ed. Over the past 2/3 days my sex drive has noticeably diminished again and I'm getting worried. I'm still having night time and some morning erections, and I can get hard, but my libido is definitely lower.

I've read a lot of conflicting information on the forums and would appreciate some help and advice. It seems that as I lowered my PCT doses my sex drive seemed to lower too, which seems logical. But I also read that clomid and nolva can lower your sex drive and some people only feel better when they come off? It's really confusing, I don't know if I'm taking too much or not enough PCT now, would really appreciate some advice.

Can anyone give me some advice on this? I'm 34, never had low test or low sex drive before I took deca. I'm getting bloodwork done on friday. I know I am an example of how NOT to do things, I've been a complete idiot. I'll never touch steroids again...

Thanks in advance, any advice would be greatly appreciated.

 

[hadbadexp]

Did you run prolactin test?
Also how much test did you have on each lab result

 

[stevesmi]

your sex drive dissapeared cause you ran essentially one long deca cycle with no ancillaries. your estrogen is sky high, your prolactin is sky high.. this makes it difficult for your body to recover

sadly i won't lie to you.. your sex drive may never go back to where it was before or it may take longer than a year. i've been noticing a pattern of guys who end up doing bloodwork and everything comes out normal yet their libido is still shot. post up your bloods when you get them and lets see what is going on. also i hope you aren't still taking nolva and clomid. get off of those immediately.. and wait 3 weeks before doing bloods. in the mean time while you are waiting pick up a bottle of hcgenerate and run the bottle.. 2 caps 3 X per day.

 

[mattyaggy]

Thanks for the replies.

hadbadexp - I got prolactin tested and it was in the normal range (dont have the exact numbers sorry, but endo said it was normal)... my test was 5.4 in march, 9.8 in august, 14.2 in october, then 10.2 in feb this year, normal range 10-35 it said on the sheet.

stevesmi - thanks for advice, why should i stop taking clomid and nolva? I have just googled hcgenerate and it looks good, im going to get some. Yeh i have seen guys in these forums with normal blood and no libido too :-s

 

[Nelson Montana]

Taking nolvadex for low libido is like using leeches for anemia.

Stop the nolva and CLomid, get this :Protein Factory Unleashed

and this:Protein Factory Post Cycle

and take a double dose of each for 4 weeks and then repost. I guarantee you be a happy boner poppin pappy.

 

[hadbadexp]

your sex drive dissapeared cause you ran essentially one long deca cycle with no ancillaries. your estrogen is sky high, your prolactin is sky high.. this makes it difficult for your body to recover

sadly i won't lie to you.. your sex drive may never go back to where it was before or it may take longer than a year. i've been noticing a pattern of guys who end up doing bloodwork and everything comes out normal yet their libido is still shot. post up your bloods when you get them and lets see what is going on. also i hope you aren't still taking nolva and clomid. get off of those immediately.. and wait 3 weeks before doing bloods. in the mean time while you are waiting pick up a bottle of hcgenerate and run the bottle.. 2 caps 3 X per day.

Steves, if everything went in check, why would the lipido still short?
you mean pcychological? or some other factors cannot be changed

 

[eddymerckx]

If you are getting bloodwork, either have your endo fix you (not likely) or follow the suggestions above (esp. about no clomid or nolv--just dated and will make you feel worse).

 

[C.K.]

if you can acheive any sorta boner cialis will kick it into over drive (chemicalneed.com) there prami also takes me to boner town everynight

 

[MadeOfTren]

Never take nolva for deca pct

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I727 using EliteFitness

 

[Nelson Montana]

Never take nolva for deca pct

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I727 using EliteFitness

Nolva for PCT in general is the biggest myth in bodybuilding.

 

[stevesmi]

Steves, if everything went in check, why would the lipido still short?
you mean pcychological? or some other factors cannot be changed

could be a bit of psychological but my theory is once you open the can of worms and start using hormones the body will change, sometimes permanently. seems like the guys who do it all wrong are the ones who can never get back to normal.. the ones who do things right have no problems .. and then you have some guys who do everything wrong and don't report any problems.. so it just all depends.

 

[stevesmi]

stevesmi - thanks for advice, why should i stop taking clomid and nolva? I have just googled hcgenerate and it looks good, im going to get some. Yeh i have seen guys in these forums with normal blood and no libido too :-s

clomid and nolva are drugs and shouldn't be taken for long periods of times and especially at high dosages.. you are just gonna give yourself unnecessary sides and it could be very counter productive to what you are trying to achieve

hcgenerate is an herb.. its all natural.. it has no sides. it will really give you a bump. i will echo what nelson said but tell you to run the hcgenerate first.. then run the unleashed after.. you should feel great after that. the nolva is gonna stick around for a while in your body so you might not feel good at first but once the nolva is totally gone and the hcgenerate is in you will start feeling better. another reason i am telling you to STOP the nolva and clomid.. the sooner you stop them the sooner they will clear out of the body. nolva half life is 14 days, meaning it will take possibly an entire month to fully clear out!!! and trust me read the side effects from nolva, they aren't good.. i know a cancer survivor who said her liver was 3X normal size and she was throwing up almost daily and she was only taking 10mg nolva a day, but her idiot doctor wants her on it for 5 years!! .. i freakin hate nolva. docs love to prescribe it cause its cheap and its a drug that they got big kickbacks on.. the side effects are ridiculously high

 

[mattyaggy]

Thanks for the advice guys much appreciated, I've ordered some hcgenerate and I'm going to get some unleashed too, and I've stopped taking the clomid and nolva. I'll let you know what effect the hcgenerate and unleashed has.

 

[spezzy]

This board is extremely biased so take what people say with a grain of salt. A lot of salt.

I took HCGenerate to boost my libido after having been shut down for a year. I did a pct of clomid and libido and random woods were the best they'd been since before I started cycling. A month after cessation of Clomid I started HCgenerate.

Initially I got the libido boost, a huge one at that. After 2 days my nuts started shriveling up and I lost my morning and random woods. This was a little more than a year ago now. I'm trying to recover again, but clomid hasn't been working or any other test boosters.

There's a Dr. On anabolic minds that gave me advice regarding hcgenerate. Look for my thread there, same username.

Don't use too much of HCGenerate. It can make your problem worse as well as ruin DHT conversion which is probably what gave me my problems.

Good luck. You'll be fine.

 

[MadeOfTren]

Nolva for PCT in general is the biggest myth in bodybuilding.

What is your approach to this statement?