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Cal_21

Cal_21

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So I finished up my first cycle a few months ago.

It was test e 250mg ew for 10 weeks/t-bol 20mg ed wks 1-3/40mg ed wks 4 &5

I started rehabilitating my shoulder. (collarbone broken into 3 pieces)

My lifts were understandably disgustingly low. By the end of my run I was benching 305 4-6. Didn't squat because i was afraid of putting that bar on my shoulder. But my leg presses were in the 1200 range and I'd do sets of 8-10. My straight leg deads went from like the bar by itself in the beginning to around 245 6x6.

They are not #'s to brag about, but I'm proud of my progress coming back from injury.

Basically I was thinking with an improvement that drastic on 250mg of toilet test. I might make even better gains with say, Rotex or Cidoteston stuff.

I wanted to run my next cycle at 500mg ew wks 1-10. But if my body responded to the low dosage the first time. is it reasonable to believe I'll get great results the 2nd time around?

I'm thinking about sticking to 250mg, but splitting up the dosage this time (to keep blood levels stablized).

Basically stay at this dosage until my body forces me to go up. What do you guys think?
 
go with the low dose,

most boards, will tell you others wise.. oh up the dose.. and shit

but use a short ester at low dose and see what happens, if u dont respond then adjust most morons just adjust from the get go without other things addressed ( diet,training)
 
Faizakafez said:
go with the low dose,

most boards, will tell you others wise.. oh up the dose.. and shit

but use a short ester at low dose and see what happens, if u dont respond then adjust most morons just adjust from the get go without other things addressed ( diet,training)
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exactly, people that HAVE to take higher doses just to get what 'you guys' get from low dose cycles is permissive. F'ing genetics.
 
Cal_21 said:
So I finished up my first cycle a few months ago.

It was testosterone enanthate 250mg ew for 10 weeks/t-bol 20mg ed wks 1-3/40mg ed wks 4 &5

I started rehabilitating my shoulder. (collarbone broken into 3 pieces)

My lifts were understandably disgustingly low. By the end of my run I was benching 305 4-6. Didn't squat because i was afraid of putting that bar on my shoulder. But my leg presses were in the 1200 range and I'd do sets of 8-10. My straight leg deads went from like the bar by itself in the beginning to around 245 6x6.

They are not #'s to brag about, but I'm proud of my progress coming back from injury.

Basically I was thinking with an improvement that drastic on 250mg of toilet test. I might make even better gains with say, Rotex or Cidoteston stuff.

I wanted to run my next cycle at 500mg ew wks 1-10. But if my body responded to the low dosage the first time. is it reasonable to believe I'll get great results the 2nd time around?

I'm thinking about sticking to 250mg, but splitting up the dosage this time (to keep blood levels stablized).

Basically stay at this dosage until my body forces me to go up. What do you guys think?
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Yo Cal, read Ironcheifs post in this thread, some good info if you haven't seen it. Post #11 http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/steroids-discussion-forum/test-mix-582228.html
 
trizo said:
Yo Cal, read Ironcheifs post in this thread, some good info if you haven't seen it. Post #11 http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/steroids-discussion-forum/test-mix-582228.html
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Thanks bro. I'll check it out.


And thanks for the responses guys.

I'm like. Dude I made good strength gains, leaned out. Feel great in the gym. I may not put on crazy size right away.

when i first planned on using gear. I figured I'd do like 2 or three big cycles and then just try and maintain those gains natty.

Now I figure joosing is a marathon. I'm okay with "decent" gains. As long as I'm consistent. I don't want to be somewhat jacked on a gram of test a week. If and when i get to that point i want it to be because i exhausted what i could get out of lower dosages and i want to be huuuuge. lol.
 
Great advice here.

No need to use 500mg. I just worked my way up to 500mg. And, I am about 10yrs older than you.

I also think it is better/safer to gain 8 - 10lbs than to try to gain 25lbs on a big cycle.

I confess I would bump it up to 300mg wk though.lol
 
all the whey said:
Great advice here.

No need to use 500mg. I just worked my way up to 500mg. And, I am about 10yrs older than you.

I also think it is better/safer to gain 8 - 10lbs than to try to gain 25lbs on a big cycle.

I confess I would bump it up to 300mg wk though.lol
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hey newbie u needs a 1gram.....jk
 
xrsist said:
agreed.

maybe use Dianabol - methandrostenolone - this time
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I like this idea. I remember reading that the bb's from the golden age could get great gains from tiny doses. I might try that as a kicker for my next run. I'm afraid of losing my hair. But with a really tiny dose i doubt it'll happen.

Say 10mg ed?
 
How do you feel now your off the that cycle, did you have any crash or sides. You didn't mention that. I know you did PST, but what did you use?
 
The art of gear is to get results with the smallest dose you can.
 
mrplunkey said:
The art of gear is to get results with the smallest dose you can.
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+1--that is the difference between use and abuse--this stuff in the best manner for you, and you along of a feeking art from not pysics
 
Cal_21 said:
So I finished up my first cycle a few months ago.

It was testosterone enanthate 250mg ew for 10 weeks/t-bol 20mg ed wks 1-3/40mg ed wks 4 &5

I started rehabilitating my shoulder. (collarbone broken into 3 pieces)

My lifts were understandably disgustingly low. By the end of my run I was benching 305 4-6. Didn't squat because i was afraid of putting that bar on my shoulder. But my leg presses were in the 1200 range and I'd do sets of 8-10. My straight leg deads went from like the bar by itself in the beginning to around 245 6x6.

They are not #'s to brag about, but I'm proud of my progress coming back from injury.

Basically I was thinking with an improvement that drastic on 250mg of toilet test. I might make even better gains with say, Rotex or Cidoteston stuff.

I wanted to run my next cycle at 500mg ew wks 1-10. But if my body responded to the low dosage the first time. is it reasonable to believe I'll get great results the 2nd time around?

I'm thinking about sticking to 250mg, but splitting up the dosage this time (to keep blood levels stablized).

Basically stay at this dosage until my body forces me to go up. What do you guys think?
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How much wt did you end up holding on to from that cycle?
 
Varga said:
How much wt did you end up holding on to from that cycle?
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I don't know. My bf was shitty because i was sidelined so long from my injury. I was doing a lot of cardio, and i was lifting with as little rest as possible between sets. So I actually came out of my cycle weighing less. But It was a noticeable difference in body composition.

I've been cutting for about a month. I'm probably going to do an eca stack before my next cycle to get leaned out as much as possible. I hate not knowing how much muscle i put on lol. But if I had to guess I'd say 7-8lbs? (While dropping at least 20 lbs of fat lol).

Either way, I'm happy with the results.
 
Anything less then 400-500 mgs is just not enough "umph"

sorry to rain in on your low dose cock parade, but gotta to say it like it is.....

:artist:

Supps will make the 400-500 go much further as well
 
trizo said:
How do you feel now your off the that cycle, did you have any crash or sides. You didn't mention that. I know you did PST, but what did you use?
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No real crash, didn't feel that great for a few days, but didn't lose too much size or strength. Just used a little clomid.

Only sides were in my head lol. I thought I was going bald. (shed a couple hairs, nothing noticeable). So I got on finasteride, then from that I felt shitty, so I stopped. Felt like i was retaining a little water from that. Took a lil a-dex for a few days, then I was good to go.

I'm not sure if this is technically a side effect...But I got drunk this one time (Halloween) And I think the test might have increased my already ridiculous personality/libido. Basically I told some random girl that I wanted to put my dick between her tits and make her ass bleed. (Line didn't work on her lol) There was another girl dressed as little bo peep. I grabbed her herder stick and pulled a third girl closer to me with it (jokingly) The little pole came apart and she giggled. I was totally blacked out the whole time...but apparently that girl made out with me.
 
OMEGA said:
Anything less then 400-500 mgs is just not enough "umph"

sorry to rain in on your low dose cock parade, but gotta to say it like it is.....

:artist:

Supps will make the 400-500 go much further as well
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!


That's the thing. I don't know what I'm missing with a 500mg Ew dose. I'm really curious too. hmmmmm
 
OMEGA said:
no brosephelus

400 mgs testosterone enanthate with creatine, Protien, and a good Fat Burner will do it.
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You keep pulling me back in :qt: :heart:

Now that my shoulder's feeling better, I'm going to move back into heavy squatting (slowly working my way back up). And more focus on deads, and even cleans and stuff lol. Compound movements and stuff that I had to hold back on while I was rehabbing myself.

I was thinking about running the creatine throughout since i want to close up the cycle with var.

Plus I like the idea of adding lipoflame if nothing else for the pre-cardio energy boost it gives me. I want to add in a lot more cardio to this next cycle. Lots of stadium stairs and sprints, even bear crawls and stuff lol. Just get super strict with everything squeeze out every last drop from all elements. Fawk I'm excited.
 
Oh yeah, I will also sleep a lot better when I'm on cycle lol. No more all nighters like tonight :yawn
 
Cal_21 said:
I don't know. My bf was shitty because i was sidelined so long from my injury. I was doing a lot of cardio, and i was lifting with as little rest as possible between sets. So I actually came out of my cycle weighing less. But It was a noticeable difference in body composition.

I've been cutting for about a month. I'm probably going to do an eca - ephedrine - caffeine - aspirin stack before my next cycle to get leaned out as much as possible. I hate not knowing how much muscle i put on lol. But if I had to guess I'd say 7-8lbs? (While dropping at least 20 lbs of fat lol).

Either way, I'm happy with the results.
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If you got the results desired that's what matters.....Omega is right, from a bulking perspective that dosage is underdosed....I mean you put your body through hormonal changes and P C T why not do it right
But as a cutter the dosage is fine because you keep your body anabolic while shedding fat.
So if you are looking to shed more fat stick with 250
 
OMEGA said:
Anything less then 400-500 mgs is just not enough "umph"

sorry to rain in on your low dose cock parade, but gotta to say it like it is.....

:artist:

Supps will make the 400-500 go much further as well
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Not enough "umph" in comparison to what? For those who already have run 500mg+ upwards for countless cycles? Well then yah, maybe...

But I have to respectfully disagree....250mg for those just starting or who have run that much previously could give plenty of "umph"... think about it, the body naturally produces something like 6-9 mg per day, so that's about 65 mg/wk? So now imagine 250mg / wk? That's fairly substantial... People have been on this "more is more" kick and totally disregarding the fact that comparitively lower dosages can still work quite nicely. Heck, the average HRT dosage is 100-150mg/wk. Finally, to repeat what someone else said...the "old-time" bodybuilders did quite well on lower dosages.... what's changed since then that we now need 3x, 4x, etc. higher dosages these days? Just my 2 cents.
 
Varga said:
If you got the results desired that's what matters.....Omega is right, from a bulking perspective that dosage is underdosed....I mean you put your body through hormonal changes and P C T why not do it right
But as a cutter the dosage is fine because you keep your body anabolic while shedding fat.
So if you are looking to shed more fat stick with 250
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This post makes a lot of sense to me. If I were looking to put on a ton of mass it would probably be much easier with 500mg ew.

250 made it possible to gain muscle while dropping fat, which I doubt I could have done as well without gear.
 
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