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Low carb and alcohol

cozmokramer

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does anyone drink while on low carb?

there is something called a "gay mans drink" for those
gay men on low carb diets that want to stay lean... its....

captain morgan and diet coke...

but I was sure that captain morgan has sugar in it...

anyone?
 
cozmokramer said:
does anyone drink while on low carb?

there is something called a "gay mans drink" for those
gay men on low carb diets that want to stay lean... its....

captain morgan and diet coke...

but I was sure that captain morgan has sugar in it...

anyone?
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All alcohol has carbs in it.
 
bump, I'm still doing research on this. Alcohol doesn't contain carbs itself from what I've read, but since alcohol isn't served as pure alcohol, there are some carbs associted with vodka and whiskey , etc. I'll let you know if I find anything.
 
Hey Coz! Haven't seen you around in a while, on the Diet board anyway.

Captain Morgan is rum if I remember. Rum is alcohol from sugar cane. So yeah, as alcohol goes, it's pretty much the worst. Not only does it have carbs, but they're simple carbs, a big no-no on a low carb diet.

Nature Boy's on the right track. The main problem with alcohol is not so much the alcohol itself, but the sugary mixers that are often added. If you have to drink, the best is probably going to be straight vodka or gin. Diet 7-up, diet tonic or club soda mixer, something like that.
 
Gymtime...

thanks... yes I am back... will take back my role as a mod and
help out anyway that I can...

yes i agree and know that rum is high in sugar... just trying to
figure out why so many "gay" men drink it thinking it will keep
them lean on a low carb diet?
 
I figure most people know that drinking in general while lifting and dieting is less than ideal. I don't think anyone thinks rum and diet coke is harmless, just kind of a lesser evil.
 
yes but if we are looking for a lesser evil... you said it yourself...

wouldn't vodka and diet 7up be better on a low carb diet?
 
if you want a safer drink while on a low carb diet, get a bacardi O on the rocks, or bacardi limon on the rocks. I stay in ketosis and can drink 12 or 13 a night if i wanted....but if i drink 12 beers i go right out of ketosis.
 
I found some intresting reading on lite beer. Basically it's watered down regular beer. So it has less carbs, calories, and ALCOHOL! But people that drink to get drunk will drink more, thereby negating the "lite" benefits.

I also found a site with a link to a carb/calorie table of hard alchohol drinks.... but it was a dead link. :(
 
Hi there Cozmo. This one might be worth a short term sticky since it keeps coming up a lot......Rum (or any other straight distilled spirit) has NO CARBS in it. The only carbs would come frome the mixer, but diet coke also has no carbs, so this combo is fine for maintaining ketosis. I think I need to repeat this. Distilled spirits DO NOT HAVE any carbs in them.

So now that we've got that sorted, this does not mean it's OK to drink lots of rum on a keto diet. Ketosis means a lack of liver glycogen. Glycogen is the main source of fuel for all of the hundreds of metabolic feats your liver performs (including detoxification of alcohol and processing of most drugs, proteins and phytotoxins). So you will stress your liver big time if you burden it with alcohol while in ketosis. It doesn't seem a good idea to me.
 
not to mention that alccohol slows the metabolism too. And I found this interesting, alcohol, like rum for example, has calories, yet they dont come from carbs, fats or proteins. Alcohol is like it's own entity, seperate from carbs fats and proteins.
 
The Nature Boy said:
And I found this interesting, alcohol, like rum for example, has calories, yet they dont come from carbs, fats or proteins. Alcohol is like it's own entity, seperate from carbs fats and proteins.
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How does that work?

That runs contrary to what I've been taught.

Did you find that in a study somewhere? Maybe online? If so, I'd like to see the link.
 
TheProject said:


How does that work?

That runs contrary to what I've been taught.

Did you find that in a study somewhere? Maybe online? If so, I'd like to see the link.
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hey project! I've been doing research all day on this, go to yahoo and do a search on "alcohol and calories" and "alcohol and carbs"..... you'll see what I'm saying.
 
Alcohol has 7 calories per gram. Unlike carbs, protein or fat, alcohol's calories CANNOT under any circumstances be stored as energy (ie fat, muscle or glycogen). Therefore your body must burn alcohol before it can burn any other cals floating around in your system. This effectively means that non alcohol calories will likely be stored as fat/glycogen if consumed at the same time as the alcohol. This is true even in ketosis. However, if you drink alcohol without any other calories, it can't make you fat unless your total daily calorie intake is above maintenance. A significant proportion of alcohol calories gets burned off as heat. Vasodilation and an increased feeling of warmth are noticeable after consumption. Because of this it appears that alcohol, without directly increasing metabolism, can result in an increase in calories bured as heat rather than stored as fat. Modest alcohol consumption also increases insulin sensitivity in women, but not men (this is assuming you're not on a keto diet), so if used in the right quantities at the right time, it may aid women in gaining muscle. A single drink as part of a post-workout meal is ideal for women, especially if they're premenstrual. Otherwise it makes good sense to avoid alcohol if you're on a calorie restricted diet since it's basically empty calories and hard on the liver.
 
Yep, MS nailed it pretty much on the head...ETOH can be used as energy under the the alcohol dehydrogenase system in the form of NADH, and it can be burned off as heat under the alcohol Oxidizing System in the form of NADP+ (and not energy/ATP). ETOH will yield 7Kcal/gram (7.1 to be exact I believe), and as long as you are under maintenance calories, then you shouldn't gain fat...Lyle McDonald has I believe stated this in the past as well if I remember right.

Here are some things to keep in mind:

12 oz of beer: 13.4 grams ---->94 calories
150ml wine : 16grams-------->112 calories
45ml. Whiskey: 18grams------->126 calories

Distilled spiritis equal NO CARBS as stated many time by MS:)

ETOH is completely used as an energy source when its <25% of energy intake.

90% of ETOH is metabolized by the liver and 2-10% is eliminated unchanged by the lungs or kidneys.

The ETOH Oxidizing system (etoh as heat) becomes more important with consumption of large amounts of alcohol (MS or anyone, if you have anything refuting this let me know), and chronic alcoholism. This could be an explanation as to why many alcoholics do nnot normally get fat (as well as if they are eating under maintenance calories).

When large amounts of alcohol is consumed, the ETOH dehydrogenase system will become saturated (lack of enzymes to quickly break down the alcohol from the stomach for absorption/energy), but the ETOH Oxidizing System doesn't. Therefore, heat will continue to be put off.

The induction of the alcohol-oxidizing system leads to a 50% increase in the rate of alcohol metabolism.

Additional notes:

ETOH is just an abbreviation for alcohol for those who are wondering.

ETOH-Oxidizing System is also known as the Microsomal Ethanol-Oxidizing System (MEOS).

There are other things I could add but are probably irrelevant at this time for this thread. Therefore, i'm stoppin' here.

MR. BMJ
 
The Nature Boy said:


hey project! I've been doing research all day on this, go to yahoo and do a search on "alcohol and calories" and "alcohol and carbs"..... you'll see what I'm saying.
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What's up man?

I'll have to give those searches a try. I could've done that originally, but I thought I'd skip the work if you'd already done it. :D
 
This thread has gotten pretty interesting. I learn something new every day from this board.

MR. BMJ and MS, thanks for the detailed responses! :)
 
NateDogg said:
tonic as in club soda = carbonated water = no carbs.

NateDogg
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Incorrect sir. Tonic water is sweetened (however they do sell diet tonic water). Club soda is not.
 
gymtime said:


Incorrect sir. Tonic water is sweetened (however they do sell diet tonic water). Club soda is not.
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Thanks for the correction, I grew up thinking they were the same thing.

NateDogg
 
just thought i would post what my nutritionist told me the other day regarding alcohol. she said that it isn't only the added calories/carbs that contribute to weight gain, but it is the fact that your liver can only process about an ounce of alcohol per hour and the rest gets stored as fat in that time frame. i haven't done further research on this but she is a very intelligent lady and this is probably true when looking at the girls who reduce their calories to fit alcohol into their daily intake still gain lots of extra fat in a short time regardless of what type of diet they are on.
 
Sorry pumped, she may be intelligent, but she is also wrong :)

Not only can alcohol NOT BE STORED as fat (reread MR BMJs post), but epidemiological evidence shows that people who regularly drink alcohol do not have a higher BMI in spite of the fact that they generally have higher calorie intakes. Yet another piece of evidence that some of the excess calories from alcohol get burned off as heat, or through other metabolic inefficiencies. Of course, as MR BMJ also pointed out, there is an issue of moderation.....if you're getting a significant amount of calories from alcohol, then you're an alcoholic and your metabolism and diet is hardly normal.

Perhaps your "nutritionist" was referring to calorie and carbs/fat dense drinks such as pina coladas? Women who reduce their calories dramatically while maintaining alcohol consumption probably have other dietary/metabolic issues going on which would explain the fat gain.
 
The Nature Boy said:
not to mention that alccohol slows the metabolism too. And I found this interesting, alcohol, like rum for example, has calories, yet they dont come from carbs, fats or proteins. Alcohol is like it's own entity, seperate from carbs fats and proteins.
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Yep, alcohol has 7 cal/gram.
 
ok here we go again... everyone keeps asking this question so I will stick this thread for those to see and read carefully...
 
red red wine

The best thing to drink is Red wine. While it made have some suger in it, the other ingredents help you stay lean are piss out water.
 
1oz of:

Brandy
Rum
Tequila
&
Vodka

do not contain carbs.

Yet, you're better off drinking it straight or with water or club soda because the Aspartame in diet drinks is a killer.


And to answer your question - generally no.
If I am dying I'll do a shot of tequila.


Oh and before it's pointed out to me - I don't get the Rum thing either - Rum is made from molasses spices, vanilla and some with cane sugar no? I would think it would be a carb - perhaps it's the amount and the proof level that makes a difference.
 
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I'm on a low carb diet right now and I drink about once a week(I can't help it, I'm in college :) ). Anyways, Seagrams 7 and diet 7-up is the shit-tastes just as good as 7 and regular 7 up. I've lost 10 lbs. in the 4 1/2 weeks on my diet and it's not much muscle loss. Does the drinking affect fat loss-sure. It is impossible for you to burn fat when you are drinking/drunk. The key to the whole deal is not getting wasted and then going and eating 10 white castles. If you're going to drink, make sure you have something healthy to eat when the 3 am munchies kick in. I know this isn't exactly the greatest dieting advice in the world, but you can get away with certain things if you don't take it to the extreme.
 
by the way the drink is called a gay fag and it is made with mount gay rum not cap. morg. I know this because I tend bar.
 
good thread :)

nice to see a thread discussing this because I go out just about 5-6 nights a week.. I'm no alcoholic, but its hard to resist drinks when one goes out that much.

Rum and coke is MY favorite drink but yeah I've realized that it would probably be better to drink something with less sugar..
(in the coke)..

I tried vodka/tonics but blech..

I'm currently drinking red wine.. good for the heart right? heh

heh just something about red wine that makes me think its healthy or something ;)
 
Keep the Proofs High!

The higher the proof of the alcohol the less syrups and simple carbs are found in the liqour. Although if your thinking of staying in ketosis while you drink on Thurday- Sunday forget about it. Although Alcohol is not classified as a carbohydrate (7 calories/ gram) it does impact glucose levels in the body when it is being processed.

For the least amount of carbs I suggest drinking 151 rum or 180 proof grain alcohol mixed with a diet beverage. You'll never be called a fag ordering that gasoline at a bar even if it is with diet coke or 7up

The BEEF
 
Re: Keep the Proofs High!

BEEFSTEAK67 said:
The higher the proof of the alcohol the less syrups and simple carbs are found in the liqour. Although if your thinking of staying in ketosis while you drink on Thurday- Sunday forget about it. Although Alcohol is not classified as a carbohydrate (7 calories/ gram) it does impact glucose levels in the body when it is being processed.

For the least amount of carbs I suggest drinking 151 rum or 180 proof grain alcohol mixed with a diet beverage. You'll never be called a fag ordering that gasoline at a bar even if it is with diet coke or 7up

The BEEF
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151 and diet coke, now that is hardcore!
 
Re: Keep the Proofs High!

BEEFSTEAK67 said:
The higher the proof of the alcohol the less syrups and simple carbs are found in the liqour. Although if your thinking of staying in ketosis while you drink on Thurday- Sunday forget about it. Although Alcohol is not classified as a carbohydrate (7 calories/ gram) it does impact glucose levels in the body when it is being processed.

For the least amount of carbs I suggest drinking 151 rum or 180 proof grain alcohol mixed with a diet beverage. You'll never be called a fag ordering that gasoline at a bar even if it is with diet coke or 7up

The BEEF
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Alcohol has NO IMPACT on Blood Glucose levels.

What happens when you drink alcohol in Ketosis?

Your blood glucose levels will DROP.

I'm assuming here of course that you're drinking straight-up
spirits.

I jig Jose Cuervo Tequila+1/2 lemon and down it goes.......

In ketosis, I can get merry of just 2.

Remember, that its LIVER GLYCOGEN that interferes with
the speed which you will get drunk at
.
i.e. Full Liver glycogen = A lot of drinks to get merry.

No Liver glycogen = Instantly merry after 2/3.

Fonz




Fonz
 
KillerLoop said:
So does that mean that eating a lot of fruit may make it harder to become drunk and make you more of a 'heavy weight'??
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Yes, but you'll get lots of gas that way.

Better is 120g Honey before going out.
High fructose content.

A lot of people use this trick.

Fonz
 
Fonz said:


Yes, but you'll get lots of gas that way.

Better is 120g Honey before going out.
High fructose content.

A lot of people use this trick.

Fonz
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what for? heh.. the less drinks i need to get "merry" the better.. that stuff ain't cheap :P
 
Since the additives.. and not the alcohol are the problem(so you say), it'd be safer to drink high proof alcohol like Everclear(190 proof) and dilute it in mineral water(with gas) or just drink it straight if you can handle it. Also Bacardi makes a 151 proof rum that goes down easily straight. I made be completely wrong but that's just what I understood from the theory that everything but the alcohol is bad.
 
hehe.. i ordered the 151 and diet coke recently.. the bartender was making fun of me saying "Don't pee next to an open flame!" hehe.. she also said that she uses 151 when they blow fire.. one of those fire blowers i guess *shrug*
 
i know alcohol will kick you out of ketosis. I tried drinking on a keto diet using soli and crystal light. it didn't work.
 
alcohol is the byproduct of the fermentation of starches and sugars.

ALL alcohol has carbs in it. not only does alcohol inhibit the proper digestion of proteins in the stomach it also causes insulin levels to rise high enough to promote fat storage
 
So lets sum it up....

What would be the BEST possible health wise alcoholic drink for you? So many opinions but if you were going to drink and wanted to minimize carbs/cals leading to fat, what would be best?
 
Liquor doesn't have carbs in it, even Captn' Morgan & Diet Coke. I'm not a gay man, but a straight chick and it's usually what I'll drink when low-carbing. It's my favorite even when I'm NOT low-carbing.

None of the straight liquors have carbs; rum, whiskey, gin, vodka, etc. Stay away from the liquers though - tons of sugar. Beer is usually pretty high. Lite beers can be anywhere from about 3-6. The new low-carb beers has about 2.6 and I think it's called Michelob Ultra. I've heard it's pretty good from other low carber's.

I have Cpn Morgan & Diet Coke and stay in ketosis just fine afterwards - but get drunk on just 2-3. I also usually get a pretty bad hangover from drinking when low-carbing, especially when I'm in deep ketosis.

You'll find that the dehydration from drinking will make you show purple pretty easily. If you're still in the pink range two days later, you probably haven't done any damage.

The biggest problem with drinking and long-term low-carbing is that it's really easy to rationalize eating a bunch of crap when you're drunk. :)

Fawn
 
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