Losing your gains

[IronKop77]

Obviously when you go off even whith the proper anti e's to reduce water retention you are goin to lose some of your weight gains. It may not be muscle loss but it is weight loss. The loss of water causes you to lose some strength also. Now my qestion is how long do you guys think it takes for this loss to take place. Within the first few weeks of being off or do you find it to be a more gradual loss.

Also how long do you vets feel that actual muscle can be maintained without AS use. For example Joe hits his natural limit of 195 lbs of lbm with the use of AS he gains 35 lbs over a 4 yr period of hard training and cyclying.(time off=time on) Now suppose he completely stops AS use but continues to workout. I know he will lose that 35 lbs bec his body's natural test production etc etc cannot support that kind of mass. But how long until astrophy occurs. and at what rate?

 

[Diabolical]

Bro, all I know is, after clomid therapy is over....I continue to gain strength. (due to nat. test being up.)

I lose my strenght during clomid as the water tends to go way, then once nat. test comes back up...I can put on a few more lbs.(2-4) before next cycle.


BTW, use arimidex and you wont even have to worry about water weight as the a-dex keeps you from retaining water, so all the muscle you get, you can keep as long as you get proper PCT.

Anyone agree.....or want to flame me?

I want to know what others think on this subject.



As for your freind, I doubt that 195lbs was his natural limit.

With proper training and diet and rest..he probably could have gotten up to 220...... but ya never know.

So most of his gains MIGHT be keepable....tell him these three words if he is coming off over his nat. potential:

EAT, TRAINHARDER, AND EAT, and muscle gain (or most) might be able to be kept.

JMO,
-Dr. D

 

[IronKop77]

Wow you gain after your cycle is over? As in the clomid therapy part. Are you sure that the AS you were using are completely out of you? I wish that was my case I always lose something even if its only a few lbs. But ive definately never gained post cycle.

as far as the 195 guy. Its not a friend but a hypothetical situation. We can say that Joe was 245 when he hit his natural limit and then gained 35 lbs of lbm. I just wanted to know how long it will take for his body to go back to complete homeostasis and not carry that extra muscle mass. Hence the 35 lbs. From what I understand you can only maintain so much muscle mass naturally. Do you bro feel this is true?
And how long until he would lose that muscle. my guestimate would be about 18-24 months to go back to the 195(245).

 

[thate]

As for your freind, I doubt that 195lbs was his natural limit.

With proper training and diet and rest..he probably could have gotten up to 220...... but ya never know.[/B]

My limit was 180, I could only gain fat after that. So if you're saying I could've hit 220 natty, then I never would've touched gear in the first place. Remember there are some short dudes on this board.

 

[Diabolical]

My limit was 180, I could only gain fat after that. So if you're saying I could've hit 220 natty, then I never would've touched gear in the first place. Remember there are some short dudes on this board.

I realize some are shorter than other, but he should have ststed that.

After cycle(if you havent reached your max potential) you can gain if you lay off of the juice for awhile after cycle, but it will be natural gains....which are slow gains but still worth it.

BTW, if my posts dont make any sense(not this one....the above ones), it is because the vic's I had to eat for my surgery last monday...so I am not all the here right now....

I'll chime in on this subject tommorow and verify it for ya bro.

-D

 

[AlbinoAssassin]

I read a post about this that was very interesting, I will see if I can find it and put a link up for anyone interested.

 

[macDbol]

if everyone kept their gains and even added some weight after their cycles then you wouldnt have ppl doing 3+ cycles a year on this board.

Im not calling you a liar diabolical, im just saying post cycle "shrinkage" is a reality for many on this board even with post cycle drugs

 

[deez]

if everyone kept their gains and even added some weight after their cycles then you wouldnt have ppl doing 3+ cycles a year on this board.

Im not calling you a liar diabolical, im just saying post cycle "shrinkage" is a reality for many on this board even with post cycle drugs

I agree. I try not to pay to much attention to the scale but more to the mirror. Cause bf% and water retention can result in serious weight differences. I just make sure i see inprovement with every cycle in appearence and strength. Weight doesnt mean shit really.

 

[bigp3]

with me it seem that I lose half of what I gain,,, add 30 lbs to my bench lose 15 post cycle, but that is just me