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the nature boy
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Apöllo said:Look dudes, you have to remember the Number #1 Watched Sport in America is NASCAR. That says a lot about our population. People need those low paying jobs.
i thought that was pretty funny.
Losing jobs overseas
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i thought that was pretty funny.
The Nature Boy said:
It;s too true to laugh at.
atlantabiolab
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Nordstrom is correct in the "human motivation" factor. People will always favor the candidate who promises "rivers of milk and honey", and chastise the candidate who says "take it like a man". The problem is that it is the latter response that is most beneficial long term, for individual and collective.
Increase wages, raise costs of imported goods to level competition, and what happens is that you reduce the ability of the lowest income levels to afford goods. By forcing prices higher -which protectionists claim the people will willingly pay extra for the security of our "prosperity"- makes goods less available for the poorest of the nation. So again, you punish many for the sake of the few.
The US, even with its recent number of jobs lost, had been producing more jobs per year than European countries that partake of more rigorous protectionist schemes. The IT/computer jobs being lost is a constricting effect of the overvalued 90's fiasco. You simply cannot have more industry than the consumers desire, unless you subsidize it through various means public or private.
Increase wages, raise costs of imported goods to level competition, and what happens is that you reduce the ability of the lowest income levels to afford goods. By forcing prices higher -which protectionists claim the people will willingly pay extra for the security of our "prosperity"- makes goods less available for the poorest of the nation. So again, you punish many for the sake of the few.
The US, even with its recent number of jobs lost, had been producing more jobs per year than European countries that partake of more rigorous protectionist schemes. The IT/computer jobs being lost is a constricting effect of the overvalued 90's fiasco. You simply cannot have more industry than the consumers desire, unless you subsidize it through various means public or private.
Island Son
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atlantabiolab said:
Of course not. People will do anything to survive.
And, the official definition of unemployment is always changing. Right now I think the US standard is, if you don't mail in a resume every month you are not considered unemployed; or, if you're registered with a temp agency but not actually on a job, again, not unemployed.
Island Son
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http://www.nap.edu/issues/19.4/bloch.html
(quoted from linked article)
Many countries in the European Union and Asia have exceeded U.S. degree production in the natural sciences and engineering. Europe overtook the United States in degree production in 1988 and has stayed ahead, and Asia pulled ahead in 1998. During this same period, U.S. degree attainment in these fields has declined.
No other issue, however, compares in seriousness to that of the deficit in human resources. For the past 30 or 40 years, the United States has substantially depended on the brainpower of people who came here as immigrants--students or faculty, permanently or temporarily. But as other countries continue to build their own bases in science and technology and increase their levels of industrialization, fewer qualified people will come to the United States or stay here. In addition, U.S. companies are sometimes moving operations to foreign countries explicitly to take advantage of the increasing number of highly educated people abroad. The United States could eventually be faced with a reduced science and technology base.
(quoted from linked article)
Many countries in the European Union and Asia have exceeded U.S. degree production in the natural sciences and engineering. Europe overtook the United States in degree production in 1988 and has stayed ahead, and Asia pulled ahead in 1998. During this same period, U.S. degree attainment in these fields has declined.
No other issue, however, compares in seriousness to that of the deficit in human resources. For the past 30 or 40 years, the United States has substantially depended on the brainpower of people who came here as immigrants--students or faculty, permanently or temporarily. But as other countries continue to build their own bases in science and technology and increase their levels of industrialization, fewer qualified people will come to the United States or stay here. In addition, U.S. companies are sometimes moving operations to foreign countries explicitly to take advantage of the increasing number of highly educated people abroad. The United States could eventually be faced with a reduced science and technology base.
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Island Son
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Re: Re: Re: Losing jobs overseas
Whatever.
Check out the last names on up to 1/3 of the computer science and programming books written in the last 2 years. Or take some Sun or IBM courses.
Just because people are from another country doesn't mean they're stupid.
A few companies have jumped in foolishly going for the cheapest headcount and got taken advantage of. The smart ones do their research first and deal with reputable contractors. There is NO WAY stuff would come back with flaws if it was properly spec'ed out in the first place and you're applying the Rational Unified Process and test cases to validate the finished work.
MattTheSkywalker said:
Whatever.
Check out the last names on up to 1/3 of the computer science and programming books written in the last 2 years. Or take some Sun or IBM courses.
Just because people are from another country doesn't mean they're stupid.
A few companies have jumped in foolishly going for the cheapest headcount and got taken advantage of. The smart ones do their research first and deal with reputable contractors. There is NO WAY stuff would come back with flaws if it was properly spec'ed out in the first place and you're applying the Rational Unified Process and test cases to validate the finished work.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Losing jobs overseas
I have written 4 IT training books, (network engineering) and developed dozens of other training materials. You have any qualifications you'd like to share? Why don't you send me your books and we can discuss the topic further?
I never said they were. Don't put words in my mouth and then criticize me for "saying" it.
Hey bro - I'm just telling you abour current market realities. A lot of companies are having problems with outsourced development and are having to de-bug it at great cost.
If you've got an agenda take it somewhere else.
Island Son said:
I have written 4 IT training books, (network engineering) and developed dozens of other training materials. You have any qualifications you'd like to share? Why don't you send me your books and we can discuss the topic further?
I never said they were. Don't put words in my mouth and then criticize me for "saying" it.
Hey bro - I'm just telling you abour current market realities. A lot of companies are having problems with outsourced development and are having to de-bug it at great cost.
If you've got an agenda take it somewhere else.
Lao Tzu
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If you bring back apprentice programs i think protectionism would go down. If you could get a flexible education and a liveable wage at the same time there would be alot more job/educational/career mobility, which is deeply needed in todays economy. Most 4 year degrees are 120 credit hours and only about 40 of those hours relate to the degree itself (40 hours biology for a 120 hour biology degree for example) and of those 40 hours, only a fraction matter on the job. Our educational system is a bureaucratic mess which prevents people from surviving in todays economy.
Lao Tzu
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Island Son said:
Not necessarily. if anything we are overeducated.
besides, as long as someone can make 50k a year in america and 2k a year in their home country they will continue to immigrate.
Testosterone boy
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It is a clear that ABL and MTS are both employed in sectors than cannot be easily replaced by Habib, Wang, and Juan.
I have taken some time to respond to this thread because I needed to tally their compassion for individuals more vulnerable than themselves. Oddly the tallying vessel contains not one drop.
One can only surmise that concerns about the cheapest product fills the remainder of the vessel that is already half full with documented evidence that only money matters to some particular individuals.
I know that the Bushbarians own manufacturing concerns in Asia. I would surmise that they are also heavily invested in India. Why else would tax incentives be given to companies to rip jobs away from America and transplant them to Asia?
I have taken some time to respond to this thread because I needed to tally their compassion for individuals more vulnerable than themselves. Oddly the tallying vessel contains not one drop.
One can only surmise that concerns about the cheapest product fills the remainder of the vessel that is already half full with documented evidence that only money matters to some particular individuals.
I know that the Bushbarians own manufacturing concerns in Asia. I would surmise that they are also heavily invested in India. Why else would tax incentives be given to companies to rip jobs away from America and transplant them to Asia?
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