Losing jobs overseas

[MattTheSkywalker]

If you bring back apprentice programs i think protectionism would go down.

Protectionism only comes from one source: The government. No matter what system is present, the government can stick their nose in and fuck it up.

The apprentice system was no bargain either - start at age 8 and do a 7 year apprenticeship before becoming a journeyman and then finally getting fully licensed in your trade. This easily degenerates into guild socialism, which is basically a caste system.

If you could get a flexible education and a liveable wage at the same time there would be alot more job/educational/career mobility, which is deeply needed in todays economy. Most 4 year degrees are 120 credit hours and only about 40 of those hours relate to the degree itself (40 hours biology for a 120 hour biology degree for example) and of those 40 hours, only a fraction matter on the job. Our educational system is a bureaucratic mess which prevents people from surviving in todays economy.

You slapped that nail on the head. The perceived connection between education and wage earning needs to be severed, in a few places. Corporations need to sever it, as do universities. Universities never will.

My degree is in Math. Do you think I have done a differential equation since junior year? Most jobs can be trained for without a lot of dificulty - only the hardcore science and medicine stuff requires half-decades of schooling...I'm including engineering but a structural engineer is not a nuclear physicist.

Even the high end financial stuff....doesn;t require 6 years of schooling to do. I agree with you here - education system is a wreck. The education system is also the ultimate government protectorate.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

It is a clear that ABL and MTS are both employed in sectors than cannot be easily replaced by Habib, Wang, and Juan.

True. None of them can take my job.

I have taken some time to respond to this thread because I needed to tally their compassion for individuals more vulnerable than themselves. Oddly the tallying vessel contains not one drop.

That's because your vessel is designed to act as a feel-better-about-yourself instrument too. Our organization has created 100+ jobs for Americans, in the US with an average salary of over $55,000.

You're calling for big brother to step in, I'm already there. What you overlook every single time on this issue is that when big brother shows up and locks thigns down, a few things happen:

1. I get locked down too - policies and taxes get passed that limit my abaility to create jobs for Americans. I am a tiny little piece of what could be called "American industry/ entrepreneurship/ capitalism" etc.

Why handcuff us? We are the solution sir.

2. Protectionism always benefits the few at the expense of the many. It's impossible to calculate the number of jobs thatare not created because of unions, the number of construction projects that didn't get built, etc.

Taxes and hiring disincentives (various forms of protectionism) are a big part of the reason that these jobs are flying out of the US.

One can only surmise that concerns about the cheapest product fills the remainder of the vessel that is already half full with documented evidence that only money matters to some particular individuals.

One could also surmise that since you didn't get the stuff you wanted, you'd now prefer to take it from others who have in the name of "public good". I'm just as much the public as you, redistribute someone else's money!

I know that the Bushbarians own manufacturing concerns in Asia. I would surmise that they are also heavily invested in India. Why else would tax incentives be given to companies to rip jobs away from America and transplant them to Asia?

Move to Denmark or some other quasi socialist country where this bullshit flies.

 

[Apöllo]

What America should do is export NASCAR.

 

[Island Son]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Losing jobs overseas

I have written 4 IT training books, (network engineering) and developed dozens of other training materials. You have any qualifications you'd like to share? Why don't you send me your books and we can discuss the topic further?

Qualifications.... I read the books (well, the reviews, I don't have time to actually read all that dreck) and check the authors' names

I never said they were. Don't put words in my mouth and then criticize me for "saying" it.
Hey bro - I'm just telling you abour current market realities. A lot of companies are having problems with outsourced development and are having to de-bug it at great cost.

Didn't say you did. But you seem to imply it won't change soon.
The same companies probably had problems with internal development that got fixed gradually over many years and reorganizations until it was part of the company culture. Outsourcing is as much a process change as a location change.

If you've got an agenda take it somewhere else.

Agenda? Moi?

 

[Testosterone boy]

The title of the thread says enough.....Losing Jobs Overseas.


Gee....I suspect that losing millions of jobs overseas could indeed result in an economy much like..............OURS.

How about that?

 

[Island Son]

to clarify the positions
ABL and Matt: it's a good thing in the long run
TBoy: it's a bad thing, something needs to be done about it
Me: it's bad, but there's nothing you can do about it

 

[Testosterone boy]

to clarify the positions
ABL and Matt: it's a good thing in the long run
TBoy: it's a bad thing, something needs to be done about it
Me: it's bad, but there's nothing you can do about it

The Bushbarians will certainly do nothing but embrace it as it helps the rich grow richer.

I plan to move come November should they win so there is someting I can do about it.

Habib and Wang can't do my job while in Asia but I can't see people affording my services after Habib and Wang got handed their jobs.


All of my clients own a business. I know what is going on in the real world rather than the CEO wanna be world or the academic world.

 

[Island Son]

Whether they win depends on how the terrorist trials go.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Whether they win depends on how the terrorist trials go.

9/11 is a big hoax and OBL will turn up within a few months of the election.

 

[Apöllo]

Perhaps things wouldn't be so slanted if other countries would stop artificially lowering the value of thier money.

It's not exactly a "Free Market" when India and China are holding down their money.