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anyone know if u can lose fat through cardio and good eating while on dbol, but still get good muscle and strength gains?
lose fat on dbol?
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NO....however not becouse of Dbol....you can loose fat with dbol and cardio...but you want to get biger and loose fat...and gain strenght.....just liek Ulter said NOT LIKELY
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If your cardio and diet is on point, I think you can lose fat on any AAS.....
However you aren't going to "get good muscle and strength gains" when using D-bol this way........it's used in bulkers for a reason, the water retention alone will keep you bloated, which makes it inefficient in a cutter.
Basically, you'd be going against the grain using D-bol in this manner. It's possible, but I'd see it as a waste.
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im dieting now and doing cardio, but i still want to gain strength etc but i dont wanna do an expensive injectable cycle whilst dieting, seems like a waste. ill be running 45mg a day btw
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im not talkin about gettin cut or ripped, im talkin fat loss.
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DIVISION said:If your cardio and diet is on point, I think you can lose fat on any AAS.....
However you aren't going to "get good muscle and strength gains" when using D-bol this way........it's used in bulkers for a reason, the water retention alone will keep you bloated, which makes it inefficient in a cutter.
Basically, you'd be going against the grain using D-bol in this manner. It's possible, but I'd see it as a waste.
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Abstract for those who believe d-bol is only good for adding "water-weight" by Huck Finn
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Dianabol often gets a bad rap for being nothing more than a "bloating" drug.While it is true that the initial onset of weight gains are usually induced by estradiol influenced edema,once the drug has been administered for consecutive weeks,many subsequent anabolic reactions take place(more than are listed in this study)and true HYPERTROPHY is realized.And contrary to popular opinion,it does not all fade away after discontinuation.They don't call it the breakfast of champions for nothingEnjoy my brothas....
Clin Sci (Colch) 1981 Apr;60(4):457-61
Effects of methandienone on the performance and body composition of men undergoing athletic training.
Hervey GR, Knibbs AV, Burkinshaw L, Morgan DB, Jones PR, Chettle DR, Vartsky D.
1. In a previous study of the effects of methandienone (Dianabol) on men undergoing athletic training, strength and performance increased, but not significantly more when the subjects were taking the drug than when they were taking placebo. The subjects did, however, gain more weight on the drug, with increases in total body potassium and muscle dimensions. It remained an open question whether the muscles had gained normal tissue or intracellular fluid. 2. In an attempt to distinguish between these possibilities the trial has been repeated, using as subjects seven male weight-lifters in regular training, and including measurements of total body nitrogen. As before, a dose of 100 mg of methandienone/day was given alternately with the placebo in a double-blind crossover experiment. The treatment periods lasted 6 weeks and were separated by an interval of 6 weeks. Body weight, potassium and nitrogen, muscle size, and leg performance and strength increased significantly during training on the drug, but not during the placebo period. 3. The finding of increased body nitrogen suggested that the weight gain was not only intracellular fluid. The increases in body potassium (436 +/- SEM 41 mmol) and nitrogen (255 +/- 69 g) were too large in proportion to the weight gain (2.3 +/- 0.4 kg) for this to be attributed to gain of normal muscle or other lean tissue, and imply gain of nitrogen-rich, phosphate-poor substance. Although this action of methandienone might be described as anabolic, the weight gain produced is not normal muscle.
You do not want to use an estrogen producing steroid while trying to lose fat. Estrogen is one hormone that's responsible for making you HOLD fat. Dbol adds more estrogen mg per mg than any other steroid.gettinstrong00110 said:
LS,
Dbol does not just add water. It adds lean body mass as well. But you certainly will add an undeterminable amount of water as you add muscle and it will be much harder to lose fat as your A2 receptors multiply like rabbits from your increased E2 levels.
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DIVISION said:I still gotta go with what Ulter said.
The kid's goal is to "lose bodyfat" while getting "good muscle and strength gains".......I don't see D-bol being efficient when utilized in this manner.
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If estrogen is kept in check, what would be the difference in taking d-bol -vs- anavar -vs- winny??
They are all anabolic.
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Nolva should be in every dbol cycle IMO. And possibly Armidex. You want the full positive potential of the compound, not the negative sides to counteract hard work. But, diet is everything children. Titties and water and fat. Lions, and tigers and bears...
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great response, thanks. btw i hav done dbol on its own b4 at 40mg a day i got dramatic gains and kept pretty much all of it along with some injuries from pushing myself too hard, this was a first cycle though, iv done injectables since then but i dont want to waste money injecting when im dieting. i know about the water weight etc but a while after the cycle when that dissapeared i had kept a lot of the size i gained.
do u know if there is any real difference in 40 and 50mg, iv done 40 b4, should i run 40 again or do 50?
do u know if there is any real difference in 40 and 50mg, iv done 40 b4, should i run 40 again or do 50?
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i think i upset a couple of old fuddy duddys on here
I know a lot of people who say, "I gained 30 pounds on dbol only and kept most of my gains". They are fatasses that later want to know if they can cut with it too.
LS, the reason winny and oxandrolone are better choices for cutting than dbol is the same issue. Estrogen. The most powerful AI you can use will only cut 50-65% of the estrogen in a man, And that's WITHOUT being on dbol. Even WITH an AI it's just a poor choice given all the other steroids available.
Don't get me wrong, I love dbol. It's the best feel good AS there is. It's a lot of fun to use. But it's a 60+ year old compound and there are better AS formulas.
LS, the reason winny and oxandrolone are better choices for cutting than dbol is the same issue. Estrogen. The most powerful AI you can use will only cut 50-65% of the estrogen in a man, And that's WITHOUT being on dbol. Even WITH an AI it's just a poor choice given all the other steroids available.
Don't get me wrong, I love dbol. It's the best feel good AS there is. It's a lot of fun to use. But it's a 60+ year old compound and there are better AS formulas.
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Ulter said:
I'm looking forward to my Test/EQ/Anavar cycle
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Ulter said:
Agreed. There are much better substances out there. ]
I thought studies of Letro and Aromasin can get rid of 80+% of estrogen.
Now remember you never want to get rid of all the estrogen...some is good for both growth and cutting. Its too much that causes estrogen related fat.
98% but not in men. And like I said they didn't measure men using steroids that are making the AI swim upstream against multiplying Aromatese.
I posted a study with Aromasin done on men when Hhajdo said that they don't test men. I can't seem to find now at Steriodology now. In that study a couple men had E reduced as much as 96%, but most were in the mid sixties. The conclusion was mid 60's as I remember.
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Makavelli said:
Know what I say. Every1 should look at Arnold's teenage pic 1 yr after taking d-bol from being all natty. I don't see fat, water, nor gyno. And he didn't use hcg/clomid/and nolva for pct either. Diet, training, and cardio are what matters. AAS can only work with what you give it. It's dependent on the user. It doesn't decide what to do on it's own.
Eat like a fatty, train like a fatty, look like a fatty. I don't care if you're taking Tren, you will still be a fatty.
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Ulter said:
ahem (In my best Charlton Heston voice)
So it shall be written, so it shall-be-told.
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HAYEZ said:
Maybe it was the femera lowering your estrogen level which is a major factor in fat accumulation.
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For the OP, if you want oral only for cutting, try winny or var.
They don't aromatise like dbol and are better for cutting imo.
Damn, I was 15 when this thread was made
They don't aromatise like dbol and are better for cutting imo.
Damn, I was 15 when this thread was made
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