Looking to do that first cycle...

[pda321]

I have a couple of newb questions though:

1) When something is listed as like "250mg/ml" how much of the stuff am I getting. How many milliliters are in the (I'm presuming) amp?

2) Is it possible, for one's first cycle, to be save and everything, to sorta go half strength. So rather than test at 400mg per week to start, 200 per? and half the recommended dosage of tbol, etc.? Or will it all be strained out by the liver at that low dose?

3) what is the cheapest mass builder generally considering current market prices...is it test enth? or somethign like dbol?? half-and-half? want the most bang for my buck...

4) on that note, how the heck do u guys afford this stuff? I mean, looking at the sort of cycle I'm thinking about, we're talking spending half a grand...

5) so now i need help with designing that first cycle...

also, here's some specific info about me that might make any of your advice more suitable to my situation. I'm 6'3", 205, %13-16(not exactly sure)bf, 20 years old. I have been lifting for four months now.

I am very much an endomorph--to "cut" I have to go ridiculously low on calories, we're talking like 750 a day to lose even like 2 lbs a week. I don't seem to be as profoundly affected by food as others seem to be...I've tried carb-loading, the ketogenic diet, a combo of the two, sucking down high-glycemic carbs right before and after workout, and to be honest, I have seen little/no difference in the amount I can bench with these different sort of foods in me. That's why I usually stick with low calories/ketogenic so that I don't put on fat! (I will be definitely be purchasing some cytomel and clen with the rest of the gear for my first cycle...but I will save it for after the cycle, as I don't want too many variables throwing my body this way and that--I want to know what chemical is doing what to me, in other words, and I can't do that if I'm taking like 10 at once. plus, i can't afford to have t3 eating at my hard-bought dbol or test or whatever gains)

Also, I've tried lifting one on, one off; two on, one off, 3, 4 on, 1 off and so on. But to be honest, I've noticed no loss of lifting ability on my workout working out EVERY DAY (this is, obviously, wo roids), and so I do (I love it!).

So, 5) Do you think, in terms of relative safety and cheapness, it might be good to do a cycle with a test base and a bit of dbol in later weeks, then nolva (and hcg??)...or I was thinking doing something like just fina, to keep it simply (with hcg, right?)...i initially was planning on doing just primo, REALLY SAFE, but then i realized how much it was going to cost me to gain a few freaking pounds!

6) I have fucking wide-ass women hips that piss me off:i wear 36-size-waist stuff...anyway, my thoughts are that I need a lot of upper body to really look good, so I want to gain some mass (15-25 lbs lean mass) as cheaply as possible, then cut down of course...but i'm guessing that would take a few cycles...especially, as i'm not a fan of doing a huge dose all at once for 10 weeks, as i think such hormonal changes would wreak havoc...

I think that's all I got for now...any help is, of course, greatly appreciated.

 

[brandonp005]

1. 250mg/ML, means for every ML you are getting 250mgs: most amps I have seen are 10ML, which means that is 10 shots at 250mg if your taking a full ML

2. As far as dosages go, most will tell you that you should go with 500mg of Test per week as your first cycle, my buddy just did his first at 500 and loved it; but there is some on here that has done lower dosages, say something like 250mg/week and have had great gains

everyones body reacts differently

Your first cycle should be basic that way you can see how your body reacts.
Just make sure that you have a proper PCT!!!!!!!

 

[brandonp005]

whoa, i just read a little farther, you have only been lifting for 4 months now and your wanting to cycle????

i'd hold it off man and wait till you reach that plateau.

Also, i just read #5, Dbol should be used at the beginning as a jumpstart of a cycle

If I was you and you do decide to cycle, I would leave the Dbol out and just do a Test Only cycle

but honestly man, I really don't think your ready yet
hang around this board and you will learn a lot, there is a lot of great bro's around here that can teach you a whole lot

 

[jacked clown]

Listen to Brandon, you have not been lifting long enough...

 

[jc1908]

brandon, most amps i've seen are 1ml or 1cc, you may have been thinking 10cc/10ml vials-if i'm wrong i'll stand corrected..
pda31- you threw a shitload of info and questions out there..half doses-tbol-d-bol-test enth..man you have alot of ideas there..we need to break this shit down. certain things are not equal, test,dbol..if you are 20..my suggestion is to take a step back-take a BIG,DEEP breath and do alot of research. I say this because you have totally differant AAS compounds all lumped into mass builders etc..
chill out awhile, research, and read and take in what the vet bro's on this board have to say, search the archives here. Bro, you are 20..you have all the time in the world..ok? relax and learn, this may not be the answer you wanted but i hope i gave you something to think about..

 

[LftHndPwrHouse]

Warning Warning...WOOP WOOP!!!! Hear that...its the Step away from the Steriods alarm!!!! Do not do them...dont even think about them.

You are saying you cant gain muscle....holy shit 750cals...I eat that much for a snack when im bulking up. No wonder why you cant gain mass...You work out everyday...you are over training. You have been training for 4 months...you dont even know your body yet...you think you do but you dont! And trust me im not trying to be an asshole either.

Steroids are not some magical liquid in a bottle. It take alot of work. Its hard when your off then when your on. A basic cycle is like half your total lifting carrier. You say that you want to put on a lean 12-20lbs.. Then cut it down. If you want to gain that much keepable muscle that will cost thousands of dollars(give or take). You are too young....you could blow up..but your body is so immature that chances are you going to loose most if not all of it. Workout hard...read alot more before you think about it again. See what its like to be on a diet for a year..Then start to think about it again

 

[ryan04]

You've only been working out for four monthes and your already ready to juice? I don't think so bro. At four monthes you probably havn't even figured out what exercises work best for you, what type of routines you should be doing and what your diet should consist of. You need to put in at LEAST a year and figure out how your body reacts to different things before you start throwing juice in the mix, preferably a few years. Get your diet and routines down for the next year, see how you grow (trust me you'll grow plenty) and then start thinking about doing a cycle. Shit, if your like most people I know you'll quit working out in a month or two (not saying you are).

That being said, you're probably going to do what you want regardless so here's what you want to know. If you must do a cycle, go with 500 mgs of test a week (sustanon, test enanthate, test cypionate, or omnadren). Shoot 250 mgs (1 cc/ml) twice a week and take either nolvadex @ 10-20 mgs per day or arimadex @ .5-1 mg a day if you start feeling itchy or sensitive nipples (should take one of the two regardless). You don't need dbol and you sure as fuck don't need fina. Tren (fina) is probably the most hardcore steroid you can take and has many side effects that a good number of people can't handle, and it won't give you the mass gains you'll get off test. STAY AWAY FROM FINA. Also, cytomel needs to be run with a AAS unless you want to lose a good deal of muscle.

You need to do a lot more research bro. Stick around for a while and learn as much as you can, keep lifting and eating, and hold off on the cycle for about a year.

 

[musclehealth]

OK. Like evryone said. You are not ready. 4 months is not even long enough to learn proper form let alone cross over to the dark side. Diet takes years of practice. Using AAS (if you even know what that means) truly stresses perfect diet. Which is impossible for you to have mastered. I have been lifting over 5 years, not much older then you and I have my diet on 99.9%. I still often feel that I could improve myself. Your time will come for when ur ready..that is if you have the skills, and the drive to do what it takes. Come see me in 4 years or so. We shall see what we can do for you then. Im not trying to be an ass...just trying to save your ass.

 

[brandonp005]

brandon, most amps i've seen are 1ml or 1cc, you may have been thinking 10cc/10ml vials-if i'm wrong i'll stand corrected..
pda31- you threw a shitload of info and questions out there..half doses-tbol-d-bol-test enth..man you have alot of ideas there..we need to break this shit down. certain things are not equal, test,dbol..if you are 20..my suggestion is to take a step back-take a BIG,DEEP breath and do alot of research. I say this because you have totally differant AAS compounds all lumped into mass builders etc..
chill out awhile, research, and read and take in what the vet bro's on this board have to say, search the archives here. Bro, you are 20..you have all the time in the world..ok? relax and learn, this may not be the answer you wanted but i hope i gave you something to think about..

thats cool man, its just that all i'm around is 10ML vials that are dosed at 250-300mg per ML per vial. i don't understand what you were saying (10cc/10ml vials) i thought that 10cc was the same as 10ml as long that the dosage was the same. Example 10cc @ 250mg/CC was the same as
10ml @ 250mg/ml

i'm learning about all this so if i sound like a jackass at what i put, i'm sorry and i appreciate all the knowledge. thanks for correcting me if i'm wrong.

 

[brandonp005]

jc1908, the vials that i have saw are 10ml @ 250mg/ml

10 shots of 250mgs

 

[pendit]

Listen to what all of the other bros said. I've been researching and studying for about 3 months now and I still have a lot to learn. In the mean time I lift and work very hard on getting my diet straight. No sense juicing if you're not eating properly. From my standpoint, I say don't do it because you're too young. I grew another 2 inches between 18 and 22 years old. Wait a few years and see if you stretch out another inch or 2 (or 3!)

Good luck

 

[fenix777]

If you want to go cheap with your first cycle go to Tijuana man and buy the Testoprim-D which is Test Prop 50mg and Test Enanth 200mg which give you 250mg of Test in 1ml per amp, they sell this in boxes of three amps per box and is cheap as hell.

good luck man.

 

[jc1908]

brandon,i think you typed amps when you meant to type vials-thats all. I also posted before your second post hit, but yes most vials are 10ml at 200,250mgs per ml

and pda..no way,take a step back

 

[chefbone]

You should hold off on gear for at least a year. This is just a number but I sure you have not reached a plateau yet. It'll take longer than a year, for sure. Start eating all the food you can get your hands on. EVERYTHING!!!!
Train with an intensity like you've never trained with before. Keep a log book too. Keep track of measurements as well.
Sleep is another factor. Get at least 8 hours of sleep a night.
If you can do all of this for at least a year, you may be ready. I emphasize
MAY BE READY.

 

[bigtravis]

first off you've learned a little bit of info. here already. continue to do research until you learn alot about gear and most of all SIDE EFFECTS. if you don't know what you are doing it can lead you into big trouble. you've got a ways to go if you are just learning what a ml. is. also, while you're schooling yourself on this subject, pound the weights! get that good base that will help you out better in the long run,bro. trust me. if you start doing gear at this point and time it will do nothing but lead to great disipointment or worst.

 

[pda321]

Thanks everyone for all your input I think I know a lot already, but I probably have a lot more to learn. I have been pounding bodybuilding.com (do you guys like the info that "Big Cat" has out there?) all about nutrition and diet and form--and lately, gear (big cat)--and what have you. But yes, I intend to hang around here for quite a while longer and pick things up from all of your collective experience. That said, I DO think I would learn a bit more if I knew where you guys were coming from, if I could do a really tiny cycle to just sort of see what it's like and be able to relate better to all of your experiences.

Like, I'm an econ major in college, but I didn't truly understand what I was studying, and exactly what to direct my focus on, until I worked for a small biz import-export company this summer. Sorta like that--contextual learning, you know? And I didn't understand nutrition, despite having taken a class in it, until I was lifting, until it MATTERED, until I was seeing things happen and not happen during/after lifting sessions and poring over the internet to explain these developments. It's the same way with gear I imagine...it's hard to get fully informed about it till you've done it--even a tiny cycle--at least once. I know I want to do gear eventually--I believe myself to be somewhat estrogenic with my tendency toward fat gain and the water weight i hold--but I need that first "sample" or foray to really know what the f is up, you know?

thanks again, folks

 

[Beachbum1546]

I hear ya. you're in college you're insecure about how you look and you want to bang a lot of hot tail. I'm in the same boat. So you figure juice is gonna make you hot shit.

I've been lifting since I was 14 (got real serious when I was 17) and now I am 20 and yet I still don't have the look that I would consider to be good. You couldn't even imagine how often I think about taking steroids. Honestly, if they were easily accessable I would have done them by now. But with that said I look back and I'm glad I haven't done them yet. Sure I'm not hot shit in college even though I could be (I see tons of juicers in my college gym that I'm way jealous of) I know every workout natural is one more workout of reaching my natural peak. So when I do juice I'm going to a huge ass mofo monster. I'm talking about 275lbs @ 5'8". Damn, that's gonna be sweet.

Sorry I ranted about myself there but the reason why I wrote that is to let you know you have more time than you think. Get a few years under your belt and when you know every inch of your body that's the time to juice. btw, 750 cals is rediculous. 3k cals of proper food is where it's at.

 

[wellbilt]

correct your diet and training before even considering gear
i was training naturaly for 6 years before using any anabolics and i was able to make good gains naturaly and even better when using gear because i knew what my body responds to regulary ,there is no way that with 4 months training you have any idea what works for you, diet training and rest are much more important than any aas
i had a friend who insisted he was ready to juice and when he did he gained absolutely nothing because his diet and training sucked balls and he didnt have a clue ,at the age of 20 you should be able to make solid gains naturally, what would you want to spend money on gear when your body should be producing and abundance of test,use the money to invest in quality food and some proven supps .i cannot stress to you how important diet is ,so the take home mesage here is correct your diet and training ,train hard for a couple of years and then consider using anabolic steroids and research this shit out of it before using
just my 2 cents

 

[RADAR]

I'm 53 Listen to the bros <You will need to build a soild foundation before you even think of using.
Strengthen those Slow & Fast switch fibers,the same with the joints & tendons failure to do this properly will result in an injury! also learn proper form you won't be able to lift as much but your body will thank you.

RADAR