Long time lurker, First Cycle Dbol/Test E (advice needed)

[stb1041]

So I have been lurking and trying to soak up as much information as I can before purchasing or starting my first cycle. I am 24 years old, 5ft 10in, 185lbs @ about 14% body fat. I have been lifting since I was 19. I lift M-F and take Sat and Sun off.

Current lifts are:
Bench: 305
Squat: 400
Deadlift: 435

Right now I have 3 vials of test E, enough Dbol to run 4 weeks @ 50mg/ed, aromasin 12.5mg/ed for the length of the cycle, clomid and nolva.

I know this board recommends this PCT:
clomid 25/12.5/12.5/12.5
Unleashed/post cycle combo
forma stanzol

But n2bm seems to be out of the unleashed/post cycle combo so I might purchase just the forma stanzol and run nolva and clomid instead. Thoughts on that?

Another question I have is how long to run my test e for. I have enough test E to run 15 weeks @ 500mg/week. Each vial lasts 5 weeks at that dosage so if I ran 12 weeks, I would have 3 weeks worth of an extra vial of test. I've read that 12 is optimal so should I just waste the last 3 weeks worth of test and run 12 weeks or run 15 weeks since I will already be shut down anyway? I read that 10 weeks isn't optimal because the 12-15 week range gives your body more time to get used to the new weight you have gained, thus keeping more of your gains.

Advice is greatly appreciated!

 

[blue_steel74]

So I have been lurking and trying to soak up as much information as I can before purchasing or starting my first cycle. I am 24 years old, 5ft 10in, 185lbs @ about 14% body fat. I have been lifting since I was 19. I lift M-F and take Sat and Sun off.

Current lifts are:
Bench: 305
Squat: 400
Deadlift: 435

Right now I have 3 vials of test E, enough Dbol to run 4 weeks @ 50mg/ed, aromasin 12.5mg/ed for the length of the cycle, clomid and nolva.

I know this board recommends this PCT:
clomid 25/12.5/12.5/12.5
Unleashed/post cycle combo
forma stanzol

But n2bm seems to be out of the unleashed/post cycle combo so I might purchase just the forma stanzol and run nolva and clomid instead. Thoughts on that?

Another question I have is how long to run my test e for. I have enough test E to run 15 weeks @ 500mg/week. Each vial lasts 5 weeks at that dosage so if I ran 12 weeks, I would have 3 weeks worth of an extra vial of test. I've read that 12 is optimal so should I just waste the last 3 weeks worth of test and run 12 weeks or run 15 weeks since I will already be shut down anyway? I read that 10 weeks isn't optimal because the 12-15 week range gives your body more time to get used to the new weight you have gained, thus keeping more of your gains.

Advice is greatly appreciated!

Honestly, why dont u just save the rest of ur test for another cycle? If u dont wanna do that, then just run it all for however long it lasts. But i would do away with your nolva. If you cant get the ntbm products, then get some hcg and run a few good natural test products from your nutrition store.

Make sure youre taking something to help your liver while on dbol. And id get some femara just in case gyno flares up bc dbols notorious for it, and fast. Other than that, you look good to go

 

[NTL]

Protein Factory will have the post cycle and unleashed you need.

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[stb1041]

Honestly, why dont u just save the rest of ur test for another cycle? If u dont wanna do that, then just run it all for however long it lasts. But i would do away with your nolva. If you cant get the ntbm products, then get some hcg and run a few good natural test products from your nutrition store.

Make sure youre taking something to help your liver while on dbol. And id get some femara just in case gyno flares up bc dbols notorious for it, and fast. Other than that, you look good to go

Forgot to mention I have HCG as well. I plan on injecting 500iu of HCG every 4-5 days throughout the cycle. Can you recommend a good liver detox to take while on dbol? I guess it wouldn't hurt to get some letro to have just in chase, but don't you think I should be good if I'm taking aromasin 12.5mg every day?

Edit: N2BM must have just restocked today. It says those products are available now!

 

[thelastmrbigg15]

HCG loses its effectiveness over a period of time. so try injecting 500iu ever 2-3 weeks on cycle and when your off inject 500iu for 10-11 days in a row b4 starting your pct take the HCG by itself no Ai or clomid and once your finished with your 10 days start your pct... and on the aromasin i'd take it sparingly 12.5 every other day unless u need it everyday use the lowest effective dose of AI's and letro is pretty wicked on the sides from what i've read... and if u don't need the armosin ed you'll have some left over when you start your pct incase of rebound.... and wait 2-3 weeks from your last injection to start your hcg and pct... during that time load up on the b vitamins... especially b12... and on the days of your hcg injections vitamin E helps the ammount of test in the blood... so load up on vitamin e when taking the hcg

 

[stb1041]

HCG loses its effectiveness over a period of time. so try injecting 500iu ever 2-3 weeks on cycle and when your off inject 500iu for 10-11 days in a row b4 starting your pct take the HCG by itself no Ai or clomid and once your finished with your 10 days start your pct... and on the hcg i'd take it sparingly unless needed 12.5 every other day unless u need it everyday use the lowest effect dose of AI's and letro is pretty wicked on the sides from what i've read... and if u don't need the armasin ed you'll have some left over when you start your pct incase of rebound.... and wait 2-3 weeks b4 starting your hcg and pct... during that time load up on the b vitamins... especially b12... and on the days of your hcg injections vitamin E helps the ammount of test in the blood

thanks for the advice! Do you agree with using clomid, unleashed/post cycle, and forma stanzol for my PCT?

 

[Essie]

So I have been lurking and trying to soak up as much information as I can before purchasing or starting my first cycle. I am 24 years old, 5ft 10in, 185lbs @ about 14% body fat. I have been lifting since I was 19. I lift M-F and take Sat and Sun off.

Current lifts are:
Bench: 305
Squat: 400
Deadlift: 435

Right now I have 3 vials of test E, enough Dbol to run 4 weeks @ 50mg/ed, aromasin 12.5mg/ed for the length of the cycle, clomid and nolva.

I know this board recommends this PCT:
clomid 25/12.5/12.5/12.5
Unleashed/post cycle combo
forma stanzol

But n2bm seems to be out of the unleashed/post cycle combo so I might purchase just the forma stanzol and run nolva and clomid instead. Thoughts on that?

Another question I have is how long to run my test e for. I have enough test E to run 15 weeks @ 500mg/week. Each vial lasts 5 weeks at that dosage so if I ran 12 weeks, I would have 3 weeks worth of an extra vial of test. I've read that 12 is optimal so should I just waste the last 3 weeks worth of test and run 12 weeks or run 15 weeks since I will already be shut down anyway? I read that 10 weeks isn't optimal because the 12-15 week range gives your body more time to get used to the new weight you have gained, thus keeping more of your gains.

Advice is greatly appreciated!

Hey Bro ... Welcome to EF.

I would advise as follows:

Wk 1-4 - DBol @ 40mg/day
Wk 1-12 - Test @ 350mg/wk, pinning 175mg Mon & Thu (Save the rest of the test for your next cycle)
Wk 1-12 - Aromasin @ 12.5mg EOD
HCGenerate on Cycle for support. If you prefer to use the HCG, then just pin it 250iu E3D from Wk 5 - End
2 Wks after your last shot, start your PCT as Follows:

Unleashed+Post Cycle Combo
Forma Stanzol
Clomid Wk 1 - 25mg/day and Wk 2-4 - 12.5mg/day

Hope this helps Bro. Enjoy growing while pinning, eating clean and correct, training hard and sleeping enough.

 

[blue_steel74]

Forgot to mention I have HCG as well. I plan on injecting 500iu of HCG every 4-5 days throughout the cycle. Can you recommend a good liver detox to take while on dbol? I guess it wouldn't hurt to get some letro to have just in chase, but don't you think I should be good if I'm taking aromasin 12.5mg every day?

Edit: N2BM must have just restocked today. It says those products are available now!

I use livercare, but i live in Arkansas. Not sure if its available where you live, and i cant remember who makes it. But it works really good

 

[stb1041]

anyone else willing to give their opinion?

 

[DannoMight]

Drop the dbol to 30-40 mgs and run closer to 6 weeks. also run the test for 12 like said but at lower mgs.

 

[dylangemelli]

I would run your test for 12 weeks bro, there's no need to go any longer than that... if you feel that you can up the mg the last few weeks, then do that but don't go longer than 12... run the dbol for 4 weeks...

also, the unleashed/post cycle combo is back in stock on ntbm... I do not recommend any other pct other than the one you have already mentioned... that is the strongest pct you can use and it will ensure proper recovery...

 

[stb1041]

thanks Dylan, you're the man!

 

[dylangemelli]

thanks Dylan, you're the man!

anytime bro!

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