Long Term TRT and libido?

[GrowthSpurt1]

O.k guys I've asked similar before but now I want to ask specifically about Libido. I want to hear from all the guys that have been on TRT for 10 plus years or more. How is your sex drive and has it improved from pre TRT in general. How often do you want sex and do you have any erection problems? I know for the first few months to maybe a year is probably super high, but what about after 10+ years, is it still strong?

 

[Labtec70]

Hi Growthspurt

How is your sex drive and has it improved from pre TRT in general?

I am 42 years old. My sex life before commencing therapy in 2001 was good (x 3 times per week). I'm married to the same person I was with for the ten years before HRT.
Libido was bad for the year prior to therapy, and was in the mood maybe once a month. Sexual interest hasn't really improved overall, compared to <2001 but therapy has normalised it.

How often do you want sex and do you have any Erection problems?

I now look forward to having a fumble once or twice a week, and definately don't have any erection problems during any performance. I don't get morning woodies like I used to but that doesn't affect my ability in the bedroom at all.

I know for the first few months to maybe a year is probably super high, but what about after 10+ years, is it still strong?

I'm on Sustanon 250 intramuscular injections (one shot every 2-weeks). I usually experience a surge in sexual interest after two days of the injection. This lasts for much of the next 5-8 days afdter which it tails off for a few days until two days after the next shot. I suppose I look at it as a window of sexual opportunity. Sexual interest/libido is strong during this period and is probably better than pre-HRT interest levels.

Hope this helps.

Craig

 

[Web78]

Thanks for the reply, I had the same questions.

 

[GrowthSpurt1]

Craig, thanks for your reply. I wonder if someone was on 100mg every week of Test E would that change the fluctuation in sexual interest from day 2 to day 8 as you described since you will get a more consistent release? After your window of sexual opportunity you describe does that just mean your not thinking about it or trying to get laid? What if your wife climbs on top of you and says let's go?

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[Labtec70]

After your window of sexual opportunity you describe does that just mean your not thinking about it or trying to get laid? What if your wife climbs on top of you and says let's go?

Ahh, good point.
Basically, when I'm in the "window" I'm thinking about it and I'm more pro-active regarding initiation. When the windows passed I'm still able to do it if the wife tries it on, but just not as motivated to get it going...if you get me?

I agree. With enanthate being a single ester I'm inclined to believe that with a bit of tweaking this is a possible option and solution. Cheers.

Craig

 

[Skycop00]

12 years on TRT/HCG. Libido is average at best. There is no guarantee that libido will improve with TRT in my opinion. Let's get some science in this area please.

 

[Zyglamail]

12 years on TRT/HCG. Libido is average at best. There is no guarantee that libido will improve with TRT in my opinion. Let's get some science in this area please.

Its going to be a long time before you get any actual clinical studies, TRT is finally just becoming acceptable.

Having said that I honestly feel low T is by and large a side effect of life long deficiencies and starting TRT really only addresses the one symptom of low T. For many it can be a big help but for most it still doesnt offer complete symptom relief that led people to seek out TRT in the first place. Which makes sense because, once again, low test is a symptom, not the problem in and of itself.

 

[Skycop00]

I remember about 3 years ago experimenting with T3 (cytomel). I thought I was hypo after average bloodwork. Sometime during that 3 weeks I hit a sweetspot and my "DESIRE" was raging. Lasted 2 days and I could not replicate. So I know that being on TRT alone is not the answer. There must be a balance of hormones in my opinion. Experimentation and documentation can get us closer, but we need more people involved. We need more life experiences to evaluate.

Just my $.02

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

I remember about 3 years ago experimenting with T3 (cytomel). I thought I was hypo after average bloodwork. Sometime during that 3 weeks I hit a sweetspot and my "DESIRE" was raging. Lasted 2 days and I could not replicate. So I know that being on TRT alone is not the answer. There must be a balance of hormones in my opinion. Experimentation and documentation can get us closer, but we need more people involved. We need more life experiences to evaluate.

Just my $.02

I didn't realize T3 had an effect on libido

 

[Zyglamail]

I didn't realize T3 had an effect on libido

Of course it does, I would wager most people who have clinically low T also have an underfunctioning thyroid.

Just because labs say your thyroid is in range doesnt mean its performing optimally.

Its common knowledge that an underfunctioning thyroid will have an effect on hormones throughout your whole body. People need to stop looking to pharmeceuticals as the answer and look to nutrition first to get everything optimized, then fill in the gaps with test etc.

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

Of course it does, I would wager most people who have clinically low T also have an underfunctioning thyroid.

Just because labs say your thyroid is in range doesnt mean its performing optimally.


I.e if I already have a functioning libido and I incorporate test into my supplement regimen I am going to be rock solid 24 seven. But if I incorporate T3 into my supplement regimen I do not think The identical results would be yielded presuming that my thyroid hormone level is optimal
Its common knowledge that an underfunctioning thyroid will have an effect on hormones throughout your whole body. People need to stop looking to pharmeceuticals as the answer and look to nutrition first to get everything optimized, then fill in the gaps with test etc.

I agree with you and understand that thyroid function obviously correlates to hormonal function of the entire body, but I just never equated increasing your thyroid hormone to getting a rock solid hard on.

I.e. If my testosterone levels are normal and I throw a test into the supplement regimen I am going to go from being at a normal libido level to a level where I will want to stick it in anything. If I have normal thyroid levels and I throw extra thyroid hormone into the mix; are you saying that I will get the same results that I would get from having excessive testosterone?

So, I understand your point of keeping your levels at an optimal range, I am more curious about your opinion regarding an excessive range.

 

[Zyglamail]

I agree with you and understand that thyroid function obviously correlates to hormonal function of the entire body, but I just never equated increasing your thyroid hormone to getting a rock solid hard on.

I.e. If my testosterone levels are normal and I throw a test into the supplement regimen I am going to go from being at a normal libido level to a level where I will want to stick it in anything. If I have normal thyroid levels and I throw extra thyroid hormone into the mix; are you saying that I will get the same results that I would get from having excessive testosterone?

So, I understand your point of keeping your levels at an optimal range, I am more curious about your opinion regarding an excessive range.

The thing is extra testosterone doesnt always equate to increased libido, plenty of posts on these forums of people on a test cycle with E under control and have low libido.

Its a complex interconnected system that isnt fully understood and I would wager libido is about a lot more than just test levels. There are plenty of posts about guys with clinically low test and no libido issues also.

So with that in mind, what I am saying is that I believe seeking to optimize your particular levels (of all hormones) is the best place to start and only after doing so, if needed add in a little of the proper hormone.

The key is the supplementation, its more than just about nutrition, its about overcoming daily toxic loads and oxidative stress which consumes nutrients which is what most people just dont seem to understand.

For example, the FDA claims we humans only need 60mg vitamin C per day however if you contract a virus or cold your immune system will steal electrons from nutrients, vitamin C being a major source, so that it can fight off infection. When that happens it leaves you deficient. The same holds true for toxins and many of us older guys have at least an amalgum filling or two which is loaded with mercury, bombarding us daily with loads of toxins that need to be neutralized.

Certain tissues in the body have an affinity for certain nutrients, sex organs, thyroid etc all have high requirements for iodine for example, many many times higher than the FDA amount. By the time most of us get into our fourties our bodies have been soaking up toxins for 4 decades and are majorly depleted in many nutrients. The body tries to prioritize and ration the what little nutrients it does get to most important systems while less important systems suffer.

The body is not going to be concerned with procreation when its fighting for survival. When all the tissues in the body are running on fumes so to speak it would make sense you have a loss of libido. So, what we have is a case where one persons body is borderline. They are deficient enough to have various symptoms of various low hormone levels but not so deficient that their body is only supporting crucial systems. For those a little thyroid hormone or sex hormone can be enough of a boost ti kick libido into gear. For other with more pronounced deficiencies simply adding in a little of this hormone or that isnt enough to trigger the body into activating unnecessary functions.

At the end of the day in order to get everything working optimally for your age you need to give it the nutrients to first overcome your daily toxic load, oxidative stress and daily repaire functions then enough additional to nourish the tissue.

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

The thing is extra testosterone doesnt always equate to increased libido, plenty of posts on these forums of people on a test cycle with E under control and have low libido.

Its a complex interconnected system that isnt fully understood and I would wager libido is about a lot more than just test levels. There are plenty of posts about guys with clinically low test and no libido issues also.

So with that in mind, what I am saying is that I believe seeking to optimize your particular levels (of all hormones) is the best place to start and only after doing so, if needed add in a little of the proper hormone.

The key is the supplementation, its more than just about nutrition, its about overcoming daily toxic loads and oxidative stress which consumes nutrients which is what most people just dont seem to understand.

For example, the FDA claims we humans only need 60mg vitamin C per day however if you contract a virus or cold your immune system will steal electrons from nutrients, vitamin C being a major source, so that it can fight off infection. When that happens it leaves you deficient. The same holds true for toxins and many of us older guys have at least an amalgum filling or two which is loaded with mercury, bombarding us daily with loads of toxins that need to be neutralized.

Certain tissues in the body have an affinity for certain nutrients, sex organs, thyroid etc all have high requirements for iodine for example, many many times higher than the FDA amount. By the time most of us get into our fourties our bodies have been soaking up toxins for 4 decades and are majorly depleted in many nutrients. The body tries to prioritize and ration the what little nutrients it does get to most important systems while less important systems suffer.

The body is not going to be concerned with procreation when its fighting for survival. When all the tissues in the body are running on fumes so to speak it would make sense you have a loss of libido. So, what we have is a case where one persons body is borderline. They are deficient enough to have various symptoms of various low hormone levels but not so deficient that their body is only supporting crucial systems. For those a little thyroid hormone or sex hormone can be enough of a boost ti kick libido into gear. For other with more pronounced deficiencies simply adding in a little of this hormone or that isnt enough to trigger the body into activating unnecessary functions.

At the end of the day in order to get everything working optimally for your age you need to give it the nutrients to first overcome your daily toxic load, oxidative stress and daily repaire functions then enough additional to nourish the tissue.

Nicely stated. I agree with you completely regarding dependance on western medicine and our perpetual search for a magic pill when most of our problems stem from our diet.

I'll never forget bartending and having 3 ladies point out my arms and talk about how they wished they could get a nice body and one complained about her hereditary weight disorder/ "bad glands." Then they ordered sweet martinis, burgers and split 4 desserts between the 3 of them. What capped the experience for me was complaining about us not having any more splenda for their coffee. Talk about penny smart and dollar stupid.

 

[mackbutter]

I agree that everyone will react differently, hormones need to be balanced and we don't have enough info on long term TRT libido results.
I would like to add what I am doing and see if it may benefit others.
Once per year I like to travel for 3 months and for this time I like to take 100mg/Test enanthate 3 times per week, 1 proviron/day and 5000mcg of HCG near the end of 2.5 months. My libido is through the roof the entire time.
I have tried anabolics like Winstrol, deca,and anavar (and even nolvadex) and these drop my libido in the toilet immediately.
For me Sustanon offers a short term increase in libido followed by a drop. I know it is supposed to be the opposite but this is what happens for me.
My experience has led me to believe that test enanthate is best for it's slow release and proviron is best in that it is a DHT derivative and the HCG bounces the nads back just in case.
The only downside of my cycle seems to be that the proviron can hurt the hair if u are prone.