Long term gains. Natural Vs Juiced

[SlavikHavik]

I read that, once you get off steroids for a long period of time youll slowly loose all the gains that occured because of the steroids.

Does this only apply to those who achieved a level of muscularity that there body couldnt support naturally? And in that case, when you get off permanently will you shrink down to your natural genetic limit? Or will you shrink even more, say to the point where you would have been if you had been training naturally for the same period of time?

Would it be safe to say, that after 5 five years of training. And Two years off the sauce. A person who was on gear will be about as far as long as someone who trainined naturally for that period of time?

 

[BigGuns29]

I read that, once you get off steroids for a long period of time youll slowly loose all the gains that occured because of the steroids.

Does this only apply to those who achieved a level of muscularity that there body couldnt support naturally? And in that case, when you get off permanently will you shrink down to your natural genetic limit? Or will you shrink even more, say to the point where you would have been if you had been training naturally for the same period of time?

Would it be safe to say, that after 5 five years of training. And Two years off the sauce. A person who was on gear will be about as far as long as someone who trainined naturally for that period of time?

I have found that after each cycle duration with proper pct, gains will be kept at the expense of the water loss from retention. After that you must stay at the level you have acheived and keep with it. Your gains will be kept as long as you dont slack. Most of it is mental and if you can get over that barrier, you will keep everything and then some. Most people never even get to their genetic limits even with steroids , so that argument cant be made. I could be misled , but this is my own opinion and past results along with information from this board.

 

[BigBadBoss]

I dont know if this helps but I know a few guys that juiced heavy for years. Got up to 500lb benchs. They quit for like 3 years and came back natural. They arent juicing yet and they are already making better gains than me and I AM juicing! You see what I mean.

 

[hammertime30]

I have found that after each cycle duration with proper pct, gains will be kept at the expense of the water loss from retention. After that you must stay at the level you have acheived and keep with it. Your gains will be kept as long as you dont slack. Most of it is mental and if you can get over that barrier, you will keep everything and then some. Most people never even get to their genetic limits even with steroids , so that argument cant be made. I could be misled , but this is my own opinion and past results along with information from this board.

Couldn't have said it better myself! Too many get addicted to juicing and start using it as a handicap rather than relying on good old fashion consistent hard training!