I was thinking more of "local, local" shows......like area shows. DOubt those guys are juicing......I know damn well the more published shows are all geared up, but I guess that's life. Dude I'm training is 34, been out of the game for about 10 years and is getting back into it. He actually placed 3rd in Mr.Alabama 10 years ago, so he has the potentional. He's sitting around 5'10 and 205lbs....prob. 20%bf......torn pec took him out, but he'll be back. How old is Masters?