load sust at the beginning or pyramid?

[JUICEMONKEY2001]

im debating to either get huge for the summer or rip up...i go back and forth everday....im thinkin a sust/deca stack and winny later on in the summer........should i start the test out high or pyramid like this
weeks 1-3 750mgs sust
weeks 4-5 500mgs sust
weeks 6-7 250mgs sust....a shot of deca 300 every 5 days......my boy just did it like this wit testoviron and put on 15 pounds and is benchin 435 now......or should i pyramid like this......
weeks 1-3 500
weeks 4-5 750
weeks 6-7 500......same wit the deca?????

 

[Malleus]

You sure 7 weeks is enough? i've heard 8 minimum, 10 being optimal with sust, but I could be wrong...

 

[jubei]

I think it's better to treat sust as you would a long acting test ester like cyp. or enth. You can frontload (as you would other long acting tests) with test prop.100mg eod or dbol 25mg/day. I think Eq would make a better match than deca because it has so few sides, and the ones it does have can be controlled the same as sust. Eq is also more potent than deca mg for mg. For better recovery stop sust 3 weeks early and use prop, so you can start recovery very quickly after discontinuing use. Discontinue eq 2 weeks before. I would recommend a 10 or 12 week cycle. Good luck.

10 week cycle

Weeks 1-4 25mg dbol ed /or/ 100mg test prop eod
Weeks 1-7 250 mg sust e3d
Weeks 1-8 350 mg eq per week
Weeks 8-10 100mg test prop eod

 

[jubei]

Oh yeah....Get huge!

 

[satchboogie]

try this:

week 1: 1000mg (500mg monday, 500mg thursday)
week 2: 1000mg (500mg monday, 500mg thursday)
week 3-6: 500mg
week 7: 1000mg (500mg monday, 500mg thursday)
week 8-10: 500mg

 

[Lift Chief]

I think it's better to treat sust as you would a long acting test ester like cyp. or enth. You can frontload (as you would other long acting tests) with test prop.100mg eod or dbol 25mg/day. I think Eq would make a better match than deca because it has so few sides, and the ones it does have can be controlled the same as sust. Eq is also more potent than deca mg for mg. For better recovery stop sust 3 weeks early and use prop, so you can start recovery very quickly after discontinuing use. Discontinue eq 2 weeks before. I would recommend a 10 or 12 week cycle. Good luck.

10 week cycle

Weeks 1-4 25mg dbol ed /or/ 100mg test prop eod
Weeks 1-7 250 mg sust e3d
Weeks 1-8 350 mg eq per week
Weeks 8-10 100mg test prop eod

Front-loading is doubling your dose of a long acting compound during the first week.

Using prop or dbol at the beginning would be kick starting your cycle.

If you wanted to front load you'd do this:
week 1 sust 1000mg
week 2-10 sust 500mg

Front-loading gets the levels of steroid in your blood up to peak levels much faster than doing a standard 500mg dose throughout.

And you don't need to taper- sust is self-tapering because of the nature of the esters.

 

[Lift Chief]

try this:

week 1: 1000mg (500mg monday, 500mg thursday)
week 2: 1000mg (500mg monday, 500mg thursday)
week 3-6: 500mg
week 7: 1000mg (500mg monday, 500mg thursday)
week 8-10: 500mg

What exactly is the rationale for this setup?

 

[jubei]

Okay then, kickstart your cycle with prop or dbol. Better to have wrong terminology and good advice... Chief you forgot to mention that the "nature of the esters" would hinder his recovery for weeks after he discontinues use of sust. Kinda more important than the correct terminology for frontloading.

 

[genarr3]

Front-loading is doubling your dose of a long acting compound during the first week.

Using prop or dbol at the beginning would be kick starting your cycle.

If you wanted to front load you'd do this:
week 1 sust 1000mg
week 2-10 sust 500mg

Front-loading gets the levels of steroid in your blood up to peak levels much faster than doing a standard 500mg dose throughout.

And you don't need to taper- sust is self-tapering because of the nature of the esters.

Exactly. This is how it's should be done.

 

[genarr3]

What exactly is the rationale for this setup?

I'm wondering this also.

 

[Lift Chief]

Okay then, kickstart your cycle with prop or dbol. Better to have wrong terminology and good advice... Chief you forgot to mention that the "nature of the esters" would hinder his recovery for weeks after he discontinues use of sust. Kinda more important than the correct terminology for frontloading.

Obviously he will still be supressed for around 3 weeks after his last shot of sust because of the half-life. We all know this, that's why i didn't metion it.

 

[jubei]

My point was that if you switch to prop 3 weeks before you are planning to discontinue the cycle you will be able to start recovery much earlier.

 

[satchboogie]

What exactly is the rationale for this setup?

the rationale for this set-up is called personal and professional experience with sustanon.

unlike other compounds, the combination of the 4 tests in sustanon allows for a very slow but gradual release.

front loading 1000mg for only one week is ok but with 1000mg for the first 2 weeks you'll be up and running on all 8 cylinders by week 3. but if you like to wait til weeks 4 and 5 for the results then by all means go for it.

 

[Lift Chief]

the rationale for this set-up is called personal and professional experience with sustanon.

unlike other compounds, the combination of the 4 tests in sustanon allows for a very slow but gradual release.

front loading 1000mg for only one week is ok but with 1000mg for the first 2 weeks you'll be up and running on all 8 cylinders by week 3. but if you like to wait til weeks 4 and 5 for the results then by all means go for it.

By front loading double the dose for the first week you should have achieved peak blood levels at the beginning of week 2 instead of week 4... it normally reaches peak blood levels at week 4 or 5 w/out any sort of front-load. So are you saying the front-load does nothing? You apparently are.

And why do you have another gram load on week 7?
Why does your "experience" tell you to do this?

 

[satchboogie]

LIFT CHIEF...........

i'm all in for front loading and really would never do a cycle of sustnaon without frontloading.

but i like to frontload longer than you recommend. the first 2 weeks at 1000mg a week.

now from experience i notice that around week 7-8 progress is halted. i seem to just peak and not able to gain more and thus the extra dosage.

any dosage at 500mg or more at weeks 9 or 10 is optional.

 

[Lift Chief]

LIFT CHIEF...........

i'm all in for front loading and really would never do a cycle of sustnaon without frontloading.

but i like to frontload longer than you recommend. the first 2 weeks at 1000mg a week.

now from experience i notice that around week 7-8 progress is halted. i seem to just peak and not able to gain more and thus the extra dosage.

any dosage at 500mg or more at weeks 9 or 10 is optional.

Fair enough... that's all i was looking for when i asked why you posted the cycle you did.

Only thing is i would not recommend someone else to do another loading dose towards the end of the cycle- you want to avoid massive hormone fluctuations if possible to limit sides as im sure you know.

 

[satchboogie]

i hear that one lift chief.

this is my last week of a 10 week cycle of sustanon and i can honestly say that i doubt i'll ever run any cycle longer than 8 weeks.

have you ever ran a longer cycle? if yes, of what? and at what stage did progess halt?

 

[Lift Chief]

I ran a 12 week cycle of EQ and ENanthate. I made progress until the end. I didn't front-load that one though. When i front load i would choose to run the cycle for 8 weeks because you start gaining about 2 weeks earlier than you would if you didnt front-load- so it's almost like you are doing a 10 week cycle in just 8 weeks. At least that's the way i look at it.

And i will front-load every cycle i do in the future- no reason not to.

Actually i front loaded the prop only cycle i'm doing right now at 200mg the first day and i started gaining almost immediately. It was pretty sweet.

 

[satchboogie]

my next cycle (july 1st) will look like this:

week 1: sustanon 1000mg, anadrol 50mg a day
week 2: same as week 1
week 3-8: sustanon 500mg, fina 100mg eod

 

[Lift Chief]

my next cycle (july 1st) will look like this:

week 1: sustanon 1000mg, anadrol 50mg a day
week 2: same as week 1
week 3-8: sustanon 500mg, fina 100mg eod

Looks pretty good to me if you can handle drol's side effects.

 

[satchboogie]

yeah, but only 2 weeks of drol and out.

 

[Lift Chief]

yeah, but only 2 weeks of drol and out.

I personally think dbol is a better choice but it's personal preference.

 

[satchboogie]

I personally think dbol is a better choice but it's personal preference.

i hear that one but believe it or not, i cant score dbol. androl all day long but d-bol is rare here.

 

[jubei]

Too many sides with anadrol for what you get.

 

[satchboogie]

Too many sides with anadrol for what you get.

anadrol at 50mg a day for 2 weeks wont cause bad sides. any longer durations and mabye but 2 weeks should be fine.