Little known Winstrol Info

[Realgains]

It seems to me that a number of bros, especially newbies, do not know the half life of winny taken orally and winny depot and thus they screw up their clomid start.

Winstrol orally has a half life of about 9-10 hours so it should be taken twice per day and clomid therapy can start about 16- 18 hours after your last dose.

Winny depot is another story as it is not a matter of half life really but simply time, since it is not esterfied.......winny takes about 5-7 days to clear the system so use clomid at about day 5.

Hope these little "tid bits" help

RG

 

[acneman]

always good info from realgains

 

[TxLonghorn]

I know I enjoy your posts, even the ones about subjects I don't necessarily agree with (like short cycles). Always gives us something to think about.

 

[monkeyballs]

RG I have a good one for you...

Why is it that Winstrol Depot and Oral winny have vastly different drug test clearance times? I can understand a small disparity but on most of the test clearance charts that I've seen there is as much as a two month differance.

Primo and Primo depot also have distinctly different clearance times.

I have some Ideas as to why this is, but I'd like to hear your take on it as well.

Also, just a little side note. I don't really trust any of the detection times that I've seen listed, since I've never seen any research on the subject. There probably isn't any. This could be a moot conversation, as probably most of the charts provided are pure bullshit anyway, and are based off antiquated testing standards that are virtually useless to anyone dealing with a modern test.

In the absence of any medical evidence, I only rely on the anecotal evidence that has been provided by my friends who deal with the same caliber of test as I do (and some common sense I.E. oil vs water based esters, and if possible, if the AS has fat vs water soluble metabolites).

Also, I really dig your posts. Keep em comin'.

 

[nandi12]

Oral Primo is methenolone acetate, while the depot is enanthate. The enanthate ester as you know is pretty long lived.

 

[monkeyballs]

Oral Primo is methenolone acetate, while the depot is enanthate. The enanthate ester as you know is pretty long lived.

True. That takes care of the primo. (not that I'd ever use that crap)

Winny D and oral are the exact same. Something in the way the body metabolizes the stanozolol must be the culpirt. Not that I trust the disparity in the first place.

 

[jc21]

good info...real gains, do you agree that winny depot should be taken ed...not eod?

 

[nandi12]

Not that I trust the disparity in the first place

I'm always skeptical, but just don't have any data one way or the other to support my skepticism (yet).

 

[Realgains]

RG I have a good one for you...

Why is it that Winstrol Depot and Oral winny have vastly different drug test clearance times? I can understand a small disparity but on most of the test clearance charts that I've seen there is as much as a two month differance.

Primo and Primo depot also have distinctly different clearance times.

I have some Ideas as to why this is, but I'd like to hear your take on it as well.

Also, just a little side note. I don't really trust any of the detection times that I've seen listed, since I've never seen any research on the subject. There probably isn't any. This could be a moot conversation, as probably most of the charts provided are pure bullshit anyway, and are based off antiquated testing standards that are virtually useless to anyone dealing with a modern test.

In the absence of any medical evidence, I only rely on the anecotal evidence that has been provided by my friends who deal with the same caliber of test as I do (and some common sense I.E. oil vs water based esters, and if possible, if the AS has fat vs water soluble metabolites).

Also, I really dig your posts. Keep em comin'.

Winstrol metabolites are cleared much faster and much more completely when the hormone is taken orally. There is no binding with muscle and fat tissue. With the depot the process of metabolite clearance is a lot slower simply due to the fact that it has been injected into muscles. Metabolites bind better to muscle and especailly fat and the process of elimination is thus a lot slower .
I do not know the exact clearance times however.

 

[Realgains]

good info...real gains, do you agree that winny depot should be taken ed...not eod?

YES, even though the clearance time is roughly 5 days to a weak. It seems that hormone levels drop quickly after a couple days but then stay high enough for HPTA suppression, but not high enough for optimal anabolism. Winstrol is wierd in this respect simply due to the fact that it is not esterfied.

Every other day will work pretty good though.

RG

 

[ironmaster]

The answer is in the name........depot.

 

[monkeyballs]

So you think that the disparity is due to stanozolol metabolites remaining in the muscular/fatty tissue of the inj site?

 

[ironmaster]

Not exactly........winstrol injected forms a crystal depot in the tissue, which gradually dissolves, releasing the steroid into the system.

 

[Realgains]

So you think that the disparity is due to stanozolol metabolites remaining in the muscular/fatty tissue of the inj site?

I think this to be true. Winstrol like any injectable is absorbed from muscle capilaries and into the blood stream and then the hormone is metabolizes and cleared, however, some metabolism occurs locally at the injection site. Also, some winstrol will bind to surrounding fat tissue and thus it is stuck there in minute quantities. Fat is notorius for not wanting to let go of any drug or its metabolites so the release time from fat is etremely slow. With the highly sensitive testing done nowadays even tiny amounts will be recorded.

RG

 

[Realgains]

Not exactly........winstrol injected forms a crystal depot in the tissue, which gradually dissolves, releasing the steroid into the system.

Yes good explaination.
Winstorl is unlike any other injectable that I am aware of. Unlike oil based roids and tests winny is not in an ester so it is simply dissolved and not de-esterfied. The dissolving and other chemical reactions occurs right at the site and not away from the site as with de-esterfication.

 

[therookie]

Gotta love the winny!

 

[Realgains]

Gotta love the winny!

A lot of guys like winstrol but I don't, despite this post.

Winny is very hard on the cholesterol profile and it is hard on the liver and more so if taken orally. It is quite mild anabolically too. I think a much better choice would be tren although tren is likely harder on the prostate and is surely harder on the hair line.

Damn it.....I wish there was a perfect steroid out there.

Winny does provide good class two activity and as such stacks well with a lot of gear especially nandrolone. Some men even think that winny will help counter progesterone sides from nandrolone.

Thats just my own personal opinion of it though.

RG

 

[ironmaster]

Well yes, winstrol is a breed apart from other steroids. There is still considerable disagreement even as to how winstrol causes anabolism.
You know, RG, I've spent a lot of time at the race tracks (horses), and the most used steroid is winstrol, followed by equipoise....yet it is not the drug of choice for human athletes.....makes me short of breath, so go figure. And I have watched the trainers and "vets" mainline winny in these horses.......right in the big vein in the neck, (don't do this at home, you are not a horse)....explain that to me!

 

[serge]

Winstrol metabolites are cleared much faster and much more completely when the hormone is taken orally. There is no binding with muscle and fat tissue. With the depot the process of metabolite clearance is a lot slower simply due to the fact that it has been injected into muscles. Metabolites bind better to muscle and especailly fat and the process of elimination is thus a lot slower .
I do not know the exact clearance times however.

winny depot is unesterfied correct? just like test suspension, so why is it that test suspension has a half live of 1 day and winny depot takes 5-7 days to clear?

i disagree with you here bro

but do explain

 

[body72]

Good post RG!!
Bye
Body

 

[Realgains]

winny depot is unesterfied correct? just like test suspension, so why is it that test suspension has a half live of 1 day and winny depot takes 5-7 days to clear?

i disagree with you here bro

but do explain

Because like IronMaster explained bro winny forms like a crystal deposit that takes time to dissolve...test suspension does form a crytral depot and is absorbed very rapidly.

 

[Realgains]

Well yes, winstrol is a breed apart from other steroids. There is still considerable disagreement even as to how winstrol causes anabolism.
You know, RG, I've spent a lot of time at the race tracks (horses), and the most used steroid is winstrol, followed by equipoise....yet it is not the drug of choice for human athletes.....makes me short of breath, so go figure. And I have watched the trainers and "vets" mainline winny in these horses.......right in the big vein in the neck, (don't do this at home, you are not a horse)....explain that to me!

Holy cow bro...mainlined into the neck...I think if we did that we would be "toast".
Ya theses roids were developed specifically for animals and I think mainly for race horses.

I have never had any problems with EQ or winny, except a crappy cholesterol profile from winny, but everyone is different and some people such as yourself may react to a roid that is lower in adrogens, like winny and EQ, and do fine with testosterone.....go figure?
This is one resaon why we need to experiment with various hormones and start with fairly low doses of new roids.

RG

 

[Enigmaxxx7]

good thread. i must say, with all the negatives of winny, i still consider it worth the chance. i take relatively low dosages when i incorporate it into a cycle and my body reacts well to it.