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[callmejay]

60iu hcg???? per week? you mean 600iu, right?

That's what I was wondering too. If he was only using 60iu, It would be interesting to hear if it was impactful at such a low dose.

Check out this study. There were certainly effects at lower doses but the standard 500iu/week seemed to be most effective at maintaining spermatogenesis.

(Low-Dose Human Chorionic Gonadotropin Maintains Intratesticular Testosterone in Normal Men with Testosterone-Induced Gonadotropin Suppression

In previous studies of testicular biopsy tissue from healthy men, intratesticular testosterone (ITT) has been shown to be much higher than serum testosterone (T), suggesting that high ITT is needed relative to serum T for normal spermatogenesis in men.

However, the quantitative relationship between ITT and spermatogenesis is not known. To begin to address this issue experimentally, we determined the dose-response relationship between human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) and ITT to ascertain the minimum dose needed to maintain ITT in the normal range.

Twenty-nine men with normal reproductive physiology were randomized to receive 200 mg T enanthate weekly in combination with either saline placebo or 125, 250, or 500 IU hCG every other day for 3 wk. ITT was assessed in testicular fluid obtained by percutaneous fine needle aspiration at baseline and at the end of treatment. Baseline serum T (14.1 nmol/liter) was 1.2% of ITT (1174 nmol/liter). LH and FSH were profoundly suppressed to 5% and 3% of baseline, respectively, and ITT was suppressed by 94% (1234 to 72 nmol/liter) in the T enanthate/placebo group. ITT increased linearly with increasing hCG dose (P < 0.001).

Posttreatment ITT was 25% less than baseline in the 125 IU hCG group, 7% less than baseline in the 250 IU hCG group, and 26% greater than baseline in the 500 IU hCG group. These results demonstrate that relatively low dose hCG maintains ITT within the normal range in healthy men with gonadotropin suppression. Extensions of this study will allow determination of the ITT concentration threshold required to maintain spermatogenesis in man.

 

[gear63]

Jesus every rep from ntbm and mrsupps..all say the same shit for every cycle and pct ..even if its 8 weeks or 24 weeks...wtf

Heres the real.deal!
Stop cycle ..
BLAST hCG at 1000iu per day for ten days ..to.shock natty.production ...wait four more days...so 14 days after last Test shot...
And start Aromasin at 12.5 mg EoD
Nolva @ 20mg ED X4weeks
Clomid @ 50 mg ED X4weeks

Those OTC supps are not gonna aid you in anything put taking your money .IM NOT A REP ..all the prior replied were.look at other boards pct..they look like mine above ..no one uses these otc supps..except EF board members..not noone but not for a 24 weeks cycle.....
Purity solutions is my go to for theday above minus hcg...which you obvious already can get..best of luck and I hope you follow this or at least read pct on other sites!

All information is for entertainment purpose only and is not valid for real life use in any manner..Gear 63 is a role playing web based persona!

 

[joeblow12345]

Jesus every rep from ntbm and mrsupps..all say the same shit for every cycle and pct ..even if its 8 weeks or 24 weeks...wtf

Heres the real.deal!
Stop cycle ..
BLAST hCG at 1000iu per day for ten days ..to.shock natty.production ...wait four more days...so 14 days after last Test shot...
And start Aromasin at 12.5 mg EoD
Nolva @ 20mg ED X4weeks
Clomid @ 50 mg ED X4weeks

Those OTC supps are not gonna aid you in anything put taking your money .IM NOT A REP ..all the prior replied were.look at other boards pct..they look like mine above ..no one uses these otc supps..except EF board members..not noone but not for a 24 weeks cycle.....
Purity solutions is my go to for theday above minus hcg...which you obvious already can get..best of luck and I hope you follow this or at least read pct on other sites!

All information is for entertainment purpose only and is not valid for real life use in any manner..Gear 63 is a role playing web based persona!

The pct for a 24 week cycle isnt the same as a 8 week cycle. And we dont advocate nolva because its garbage. If you want to live in the past with that inferior pct go ahead, but dont come here and say our way is inadequate with out proof. The are plenty of blood tests to prove these supps work. Show me one test where you used them and didnt recover? If your going to make such a bold claim atleast bring some proof to back it up.

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[callmejay]

Jesus every rep from ntbm and mrsupps..all say the same shit for every cycle and pct ..even if its 8 weeks or 24 weeks...wtf

Heres the real.deal!
Stop cycle ..
BLAST hCG at 1000iu per day for ten days ..to.shock natty.production ...wait four more days...so 14 days after last Test shot...
And start Aromasin at 12.5 mg EoD
Nolva @ 20mg ED X4weeks
Clomid @ 50 mg ED X4weeks

Those OTC supps are not gonna aid you in anything put taking your money .IM NOT A REP ..all the prior replied were.look at other boards pct..they look like mine above ..no one uses these otc supps..except EF board members..not noone but not for a 24 weeks cycle.....
Purity solutions is my go to for theday above minus hcg...which you obvious already can get..best of luck and I hope you follow this or at least read pct on other sites!

All information is for entertainment purpose only and is not valid for real life use in any manner..Gear 63 is a role playing web based persona!

I'm not a rep. I personally don't think support supps alone will help you recover. The reps always seem to suggest using a serm. The reason for support supps in my opinion is for the organ protection, increased mood/appetite/libido and other things that drop during PCT, some estrogen control (but nothing compared to aromasin) and possibly some extra test boost.

The reason people hate on nolva is because it is proven to be very hepatoxic. No one says it doesn't help you recover. There are simply better options that are easier on your body - like Torem for example.

The PCT you gave is fine. Personally I wouldn't use Nolva in it because I think you'd be fine with just clomid (would personally lower the dose after week 1).

OP still hasn't responded to whether or not he has significant testicular atrophy. If he doesn't there isn't a lot of added value in blasting the HCG. Do you agree, gear63?

Aromasin is fine in PCT and could be used instead of forma. My only suggestion would be to taper the aromasin at some point. Go from eod after the first week to e3d, then start lowering the dose and probably stop taking it after week 2 or 3.

This is simply based on the logic that your estrogen drops naturally with your test levels. Once your natty test takes over you don't have to worry about excess estrogen and you don't want to push your estro levels too low. It's good to drop estro a little bit but just listen to your body and take bloods to see if you're pushing it too low.

 

[gear63]

just got back.from my ban vacation..for simply stating my opinion ..and in my opinion..the hcg blast is exactly what someone would need with testicular atrophy ..plus a valid pct and then time off everything to let their body recover

All information is for entertainment purpose only and is not valid for real life use in any manner..Gear 63 is a role playing web based persona!

 

[Ampsycho]

Wow, stepped away for a while and this post blew up. OK, first thanks for all the advice but now I'm really confused. To answer someone's questions; no, I had zero testicular atrophy.
Seeing a lot of conflicting information but to be honest I'm always weary of "herbal supplements". My last pin was 2 weeks ago as of 10/29, my last HCG 10/19 and my last Arimidex was 10/22.
I was following someones last post to drop everything, slowly. Clomid should be arriving this week, feeling good, a little tired but no atrophy or anything to indicate raised estrogen.

Again, thoughts outside of "supplements"?

 

[Ampsycho]

EDIT* "My last pin was 2 weeks ago 10/19"

 

[Ampsycho]

Hey guys,
Started the Clomid at 25mg ED but the emotional sides were so strong I had to cut it back to EoD.
Spoke to my doc over the weekend and he told me to get back on the HCG twice a week and the Armidex twice a week.
Last pin was 10/19. Testes are fine no shrinkage, but libido is shite.

HELP!

 

[joeblow12345]

Hey guys,
Started the Clomid at 25mg ED but the emotional sides were so strong I had to cut it back to EoD.
Spoke to my doc over the weekend and he told me to get back on the HCG twice a week and the Armidex twice a week.
Last pin was 10/19. Testes are fine no shrinkage, but libido is shite.

HELP!

Yes clomid alone is a bitch. That's why I said to use the other supps with it. They will help you recover and minimize the shitty clomid feeling.


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