Lipostabil transdermal?

[Fonz]

I looked at the research, read the article and still think its one huge scam.

Injectable Acetyl-L-carnitine targeted for localized fat loss is far more efficient.

I'v used it extensively and even though it does burn like hell, it works LOCALLY. Its systemic effects are too broad to be explained in just this one post. Besides, you don't want to hear about rNhGF-1 research.

 

[sigmund]

Update:

I've recently (last 3 weeks) got the "ingredients" together - I had to wait a while on delivery of items due to UK customs. I've decided to go with Emu oil as my main carrier, as the alcohol based one (with a touch of DMSO) went straight through to the bloodstream really quick (I could taste it) and probably didn't get enough time at the fat layer. I've been mixing it up with the PC in an old blender

Additionally I've also distributed a few bottles of the stuff to some female friends (non BB) who expressed an interest.

I'm keeping a brief written journal and will post it up in another 4-6 weeks time. So far, I have not noticed a great deal of difference but I'm pretty lean so might not be the best test subject - I'm hoping the girls will offer me a better indication as to it's potency.

Cheers,

Sig

Note: The PC I'm using is liquid form -

http://store4.yimg.com/I/nutrasalpharmaceuticals_1780_117070

 

[MrMakaveli]

is the phophatidyl choline you want to use, powder or oil? also what percentage purity? other constituents (if any)

Wow cant belive I missed this...

http://www.omegafinechemicals.com/shop/97281-47-5.htm

Thats what I wanted to use.

 

[Ttokkyo Jack]

Wow cant belive I missed this...

http://www.omegafinechemicals.com/shop/97281-47-5.htm

Thats what I wanted to use.

Makaveli I ordered the 35% PC from liver friend, but I am interesting in trying the PC from this place http://www.omegafinechemicals.com/shop/97281-47-5.htm Have you ordered it, and does anyone know why it has to be shipped cold, and will it be stable in solution at room temperature. I know one of the chemists out there has to know. Lets keep this thread alive.

 

[x_muscle]

Update:

I've recently (last 3 weeks) got the "ingredients" together - I had to wait a while on delivery of items due to UK customs. I've decided to go with Emu oil as my main carrier, as the alcohol based one (with a touch of DMSO) went straight through to the bloodstream really quick (I could taste it) and probably didn't get enough time at the fat layer. I've been mixing it up with the PC in an old blender

Additionally I've also distributed a few bottles of the stuff to some female friends (non BB) who expressed an interest.

I'm keeping a brief written journal and will post it up in another 4-6 weeks time. So far, I have not noticed a great deal of difference but I'm pretty lean so might not be the best test subject - I'm hoping the girls will offer me a better indication as to it's potency.

Cheers,

Sig

Note: The PC I'm using is liquid form -

http://store4.yimg.com/I/nutrasalpharmaceuticals_1780_117070

you should use BA as base carrier. here is an article by big cat about local transdermal deliver:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?threadid=255635

 

[Ttokkyo Jack]

Bump. So Sigmund what is the feedback from your female beta testers?

 

[sigmund]

Bump. So Sigmund what is the feedback from your female beta testers?

Here’s the update:

Firstly the good news - I have noticed some difference, although it’s not as pronounced as I’d of hoped for. I made a mistake at the beginning of my trial in that I wasn’t incorporating any cardio – my current understanding is that PC acts as a catalyst and from what I’ve read it won’t really have much of an effect if you don’t initiate fat-burning after application.

After incorporating a moderate amount of cardio each day after I sprayed the solution on I started to see site-specific results, based on what I believe to be PC activity and not just raised metabolism. However I knew this would be difficult to prove because the first thing that comes to mind is “I’m doing cardio therefore the apparent fat loss I’m experiencing is occurring as a direct result to that and nothing to do with the PC”… well all I can say is I never notice fat loss around my lower abs but that’s where it was going from after PC application to that area!

I have an ectomorphic body-type and my abs are partially visible (although not shredded) but I think they have become more defined. To explain further - where as I would need to crunch / tense slightly to see them properly I can now stand relaxed and see the “cut lines” in my reflection.

I’ve now run out of PC and don’t have the funds to re-order for a while. I was using 100% pure liquid Phosphatidylcholine concentrate which is quite expensive.

The not so good news - My two female friends who’ve also been trying it out are not quite as impressed, actually disappointed, they didn’t notice any difference. They aren’t into daily cardio and possibly not taking advantage of the catalystic effects prevented the PC from having an effect. However an unexpected bonus is that it seems to help old scars fade (would be good on stretch marks) and is an excellent skin moisturiser, this is probably the Emu oil more than the PC.

The carrier solution I used is as follows:

100ml ALOE
100ml Isopropyl alcohol
100ml EMU oil
50 ml Squalene
50 ml Jojoba oil
n/a l-menthol (crystals)
Drop Peppermint

I believe absorption is adequate, initially I also used DMSO which I thought caused the solution to pass very quickly into the blood stream and that seemed a waste so I took it out - however I think I may have been wrong about this as I’ve heard other people got good results with it. The above solution is much more slowly absorbed through the skin and hopefully is held at the adipose fatty tissue layer long enough to get to work… again I have no real way to test this apart from going on what results I’ve seen. I’ve looked closely at other carrier solutions, e.g. AF Store topical fat burners, Avant Labs products but it was trial and error Re: the carrier formula.

In conclusion, I believe site specific fat loss did occur but not to the extent I'd initially hoped. However I believe this stuff does work as a catalyst (and if you’re going to try it I recommend you incorporate some moderate cardio to trigger the effect). I think if someone could perfect a carrier solution that really saturated the adipose fatty tissue and kept the PC there - then they'd be on to a winner.

Cheers,

Sig

 

[x_muscle]

bump for updates!!!!!!

whick PC did u use guys and from where did u get it from?

i think the best formula for our purpose.

from BC article:

How to make your own TPDS :

Take the product you wish to deliver, then add benzyl alcohol until it is entirely dissolved, even a few drops more (adequate benzyl for product). Then add a mixture of 4 parts acetone and 5 parts isopropanol, until you get the volume that gives you the desired concentration of drug per ml, and then apply as many ml as necessary to the site of application, twice daily

 

[jacshelb]

I like the sounds of that (above post) method of carry. It sounds less painful than the DMSO.

I seemed to have problems when I started pre-mixing mine with isopropyl alcohol and aloe with lidocaine. I think that either the aloe kept it from being absorbed or the pc itself became unstable in the liquid after a time. I really don't know. But, I stopped noticing effects when I changed from just DMSO and PC- which was sprinkled in at time of application to start with.

p.s. My promised pictures didn't turn out so well. I didn't have professional lighting and you really couldn't tell a difference since they were taken at several feet away. Like I say, though, I did have several people look, pinch and they could tell a difference from one side of my body (fatness wise) from the other.


Jacob

 

[chemghost]

Well, I gotta say that thus far, Avanti and Omega are the only reputable sources and I can't tell a difference once I get Omega's into solution. My wallet can tell the difference though I like the transdermal thing!

For those of you who are wondering how to tell what is what quickly, the C.A.S. number (the bracketed set of three sets of numbers, in this case [97281-47-5]) and the purity are the way to tell. C.A.S. stands for Chemical Abstracts Service and the C.A.S. gives a number to every single chemical that exists in every salt form and every isomer form, just for the purpose of helping folks distinguish what is what.

Only [97281-47-5] is the stuff Lipostabil is made from, and the purity has got to be in the high 90% range. Other C.A.S. numbers and purity below 95% is NOT in any way comperable to Lipostabil!

You would think Avanti is making this stuff from the yolks of chickens that lay golden eggs based on price, but, I still don't have the solution thing down pat, so if you know the best way to solublize Omega's, please post the answer (my yahooo account won't be able to take too many answers)

I don't want to endorse Omega except that they really are the only source other than Avanti, unless you all know something I don't. And the price difference is SO big and Omega is definitely legit.

They were also happy to order other chems for me, as in various Androstene this that and the other. So long as I agree to use them for research and they are not specifically DEA listed, they order them in 98% to 99.5% purity and GUARANTEE their products which are the real thing. Scientific stuff...

Like I said, if you all know of some other source for real Phosphatidylcholine let me know. I will test it out in comparison with Avanti and Omega and let you know. It is a bit tough getting Omega's soluble enough for use so a new supplier with it solvated in amps could be cool... But the application solvation method in the last post is working good...

Thanks!

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