Lil' Kim regrets nuclear test

[Testosterone boy]

I'll give your group credit for this. Your personalities have more flexibility than professional actors. One day you are singing the praises of gutting America, the next day you are raising the flag and singing the anthem whilst condemning the gutting of America. It seems you can all wear at least a dozen hats. There is no shortage of talent.

 

[Lao Tzu]

Anyway... this post has gotten entirely too long, but I just have to snicker when someone tries to argue against the effect that tax cuts have on the economy.

Damn nobel laureates in economics

http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/02/12_akerlof.shtml

On another note, kudos to you for being so successful materially. I had no idea of any of that about you.

 

[mrplunkey]

Damn nobel laureates in economics

http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/02/12_akerlof.shtml

On another note, kudos to you for being so successful materially. I had no idea of any of that about you.

What am I thinking! You're right. Tax cuts don't help working people. Let's go ahead and crank those personal and corporate rates right back up. What do you like? Maybe a 35% minimum, then index it up to 65% for those scumbag rich guys? That would sure show them. I bet they'd just swallow that increase and pony-up those dollars. And the corporations too -- I bet they'd just say "hey shareholders, we got hit with a tax increase that decreased our EPS 60% but it's ok because we want to pay our fair share." Of course, when those stocks bottom-out it won't be the CEO's paying -- it will be the suckers who invest in the stock market.

Now let's go back to reality. Where do tax dollars come from? From working people and from successful corporations. When people get taxed more, they don't have the money to spend -- the government wastes it instead. For corporations, it's even worse. No company is going to tolerate an EPS loss without a fight. And that means more offshoring, more "tax technology" (that's what they called it at GE), more price increases, and more headcount reduction.

Why do people have this naive notion that the goverment can actually "give" anything? Goverments can destroy wealth (useless programs) and they can try to transfer wealth, but at the end of the day it's the working guy who gets stuck with the tab. It's unfortunate, and I'm not saying it's right -- but it is the economic reality we live in.

 

[mrplunkey]

The humor is interesting and very effective at convincing most people to see things the way that you want them to see things.

Unfortunately, and you may know this, I have had several in your face confrontations with this essential message: There has been spying/following you since 19XX. Since you turned down possibly the worst offer ever made, then publicly criticized our administrative leadership, you made a shit list that noyone wants to be on. So now you are a toy to poke sharp sticks at. Your hopes of a normal life in this country is lower than the yield on my muni's. While you previously enjoyed a perfect psych evaluation, it is more fun for us to now call you all kinds of derisive psycho babble garbage. In addition to our unlimited funds, we are also highly advanced in Freudian psychoanalytic structure and critique. Time to insert earlier quote from you "MUAHAHAHAHA (rubs hands together maniacially)".

Some of my evidence is on tape. At least 1000 pages of it are in writing. There is so much that it only took a week end to yield that. The deletions have....unfortunately been incomplete.



So I ask you..........What are you folks going to do with your time when I seize an opportunity to get the hell out of Dodge?

Ok... let me hit you with a newsflash:

Neither the government nor private corporations give a diddly damn about what you say, who you talk to, or what you think about them -- and the same applies to me. We're not "players" in the politics of the globe. I'm not trying to be mean here, but consider this: Is it possible that you've become completely absorbed in your own delusional self-importance that it's made you paranoid?

Now if your are Vladimir Putin posting here under an anonymous name, then yeah... the goverment is probably trying to watch you. If you're six months away from developing a home made nuclear bomb and have supply agreements in place with Zaire then yeah... the government is probably trying to watch you. If you are planning a legitimate hack attack of US spy sattelites in the next three months then yeah... the government is probably trying to watch you.

Now short of something on the scale described above, dude... you aren't even a player in the geopolitical arena. But don't feel bad... I'm not either. And neither is anybody else who posts regularly on this board.

So here's my advice. Each morning, get in front of the mirror and say to yourself: "The government doesn't give a fuck what I do as long as I am not engaged in a heinously illegal activity on a global scale. I am important to my friends and family, but on a geopolitical scale I do not impact the world, hence 'they' have absolutely no reason to care about what I do or say."

Try saying that 10 times each morning and see if it sticks.

 

[Lao Tzu]

What am I thinking! You're right. Tax cuts don't help working people. Let's go ahead and crank those personal and corporate rates right back up. What do you like? Maybe a 35% minimum, then index it up to 65% for those scumbag rich guys? That would sure show them. I bet they'd just swallow that increase and pony-up those dollars. And the corporations too -- I bet they'd just say "hey shareholders, we got hit with a tax increase that decreased our EPS 60% but it's ok because we want to pay our fair share." Of course, when those stocks bottom-out it won't be the CEO's paying -- it will be the suckers who invest in the stock market.

Now let's go back to reality. Where do tax dollars come from? From working people and from successful corporations. When people get taxed more, they don't have the money to spend -- the government wastes it instead. For corporations, it's even worse. No company is going to tolerate an EPS loss without a fight. And that means more offshoring, more "tax technology" (that's what they called it at GE), more price increases, and more headcount reduction.

Why do people have this naive notion that the goverment can actually "give" anything? Goverments can destroy wealth (useless programs) and they can try to transfer wealth, but at the end of the day it's the working guy who gets stuck with the tab. It's unfortunate, and I'm not saying it's right -- but it is the economic reality we live in.

I don't know what you're talking about. I merely posted an article showing 10 nobel laureates and 450 economists felt the tax cuts you are in favor of hurt the economy. I don't know why you are talking about all of this stuff.

Government creates wealth, because they build infrastructure that allows wealth to be created more efficiently. If gov. had taken a stronger leadership role in promoting broadband access for example the economy would be 500 billion a year larger.

http://www.muniwireless.com/community/1023

Our economy would be shit w/o roads, education, basic healthcare and gov. leadership in various roles. Hence taxes.

 

[mrplunkey]

I don't know what you're talking about. I merely posted an article showing 10 nobel laureates and 450 economists felt the tax cuts you are in favor of hurt the economy. I don't know why you are talking about all of this stuff.

Government creates wealth, because they build infrastructure that allows wealth to be created more efficiently. If gov. had taken a stronger leadership role in promoting broadband access for example the economy would be 500 billion a year larger.

http://www.muniwireless.com/community/1023

Our economy would be shit w/o roads, education, basic healthcare and gov. leadership in various roles. Hence taxes.

We're living in the middle of a successful tax cut result (i.e. http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/wm363.cfm) and you'd rather focus on a theoretical debate a bunch of economists had three years ago? The Bush tax cuts have worked -- we have more jobs, a 4-year low in the deficit, and a record stock market.

And as far as your Internet example. I still remember when the US government Internet service first became available in my neighborhood. It was awesome. It was 6 mb/sec and they upgraded it to 8 mb/sec within around three months. Oh wait... there is no US government Internet service -- I was using Comcast Cable. And now I use BellSouth DSL. Those seem like private companies to me.

Now you would be correct to say the government supposidly takes a "leadership" role in infrastructure like the Internet -- but the reality is they just screw it up. But they screw everything up. Where do you start? Cellphone standards... TV broadcasting standards... Social Security... the US Postal Service... It seems crazy to me that the more ridiculously they screw up, the more people clammer to hand them more of our lives.

The answer isn't to nationalize everything -- that seems to be a theme with you (i.e. your "Nationalize Healthcare" agenda).

 

[Lao Tzu]

Now you would be correct to say the government supposidly takes a "leadership" role in infrastructure like the Internet -- but the reality is they just screw it up. But they screw everything up. Where do you start? Cellphone standards... TV broadcasting standards... Social Security... the US Postal Service... It seems crazy to me that the more ridiculously they screw up, the more people clammer to hand them more of our lives.

The answer isn't to nationalize everything -- that seems to be a theme with you (i.e. your "Nationalize Healthcare" agenda).

No, it is not a theme with me. THere are certain tasks the market is unable to do, so government takes a leadership role and manipulates the market with things like incentives, mandates and tax breaks. You are the one who wants to denationalize everything, I am more open minded and take each issue on its merits rather than reject it or accept it wholeheartidly.

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/Governmentsuccesses.htm

And I'd hardly call SS a failure. The poverty rate for the elderly is extremely low now, compared to the 30-40% it used to be.

 

[Lao Tzu]

PS I love how every single thread that both of us posts on eventually turns into this same debate.

 

[SoKlueles]

im glad they are regretting it
and yay for bush for stepping in nicely

 

[mrplunkey]

PS I love how every single thread that both of us posts on eventually turns into this same debate.

I guess as long as I don't have to pay for it I shouldn't really give a damn how big of a mess nationalization of everything makes, now should I?