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some pretty bad form but not a bad vid.
 
Form aside it was a great video with a great song choice! There was some crazy vascularity going on in his shoulders too!
 
Lol guys. When you can squat 5 plates like that with ease, rip on the form. He obviously knows what he is doing and he looks the way he looks for a reason- he knows what works for him.
 
JDid23 said:
Lol guys. When you can squat 5 plates like that with ease, rip on the form. He obviously knows what he is doing and he looks the way he looks for a reason- he knows what works for him.
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Yeah lol at the ripping on the form! Bodybuilding training is quite a bit different than other types of training. You do what you do to get that size. However that doesn't mean others should copy what he is doing.
 
JDid23 said:
Lol guys. When you can squat 5 plates like that with ease, rip on the form. He obviously knows what he is doing and he looks the way he looks for a reason- he knows what works for him.
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+ 467893211

Everyone always has something to say but o well thanks guys!
 
JDid23 said:
Lol guys. When you can squat 5 plates like that with ease, rip on the form. He obviously knows what he is doing and he looks the way he looks for a reason- he knows what works for him.
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i bet joe d can squat 5 plates especially if it was to the same depth that guy did...
 
Look good bro. Awesome videos. Alaways gonna have haters bro. And it always seems to be the ones that are small and cant lift crap that want to talk noise.
 
Ok bro, do you want people to kiss your ass or tell you the truth??

Videos look great...YOU look great, so you obviously know how to workout. But i'll be blunt because that's what I am.

Bench - you are going half way down....over-involving your triceps and shoulders and putting little emphasis on your chest...also it's a lot easier to rep three plates when it's half a rep. before you ask, I rep out 12 FULL reps on three plates and bench 415 lbs for 1-2 reps.

Squats - that was like moving the weight an inch down and then putting it back on the rack. I can squat 3 plates for FULL reps and a few reps on 4 plates and my legs look puny compared to yours....

All i'm saying is, proper form is underrated...you will improve all the more if you use proper form....

Not trashing or taking jabs at you, just providing my 2 cents
 
the_alcatraz said:
Ok bro, do you want people to kiss your ass or tell you the truth??

Videos look great...YOU look great, so you obviously know how to workout. But i'll be blunt because that's what I am.

Bench - you are going half way down....over-involving your triceps and shoulders and putting little emphasis on your chest...also it's a lot easier to rep three plates when it's half a rep. before you ask, I rep out 12 FULL reps on three plates and bench 415 lbs for 1-2 reps.

Squats - that was like moving the weight an inch down and then putting it back on the rack. I can squat 3 plates for FULL reps and a few reps on 4 plates and my legs look puny compared to yours....

All i'm saying is, proper form is underrated...you will improve all the more if you use proper form....

Not trashing or taking jabs at you, just providing my 2 cents
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this is what I meant by my post, I wasnt hating on you...
 
ah.. i didnt mean harm really. the vid is good. the guy has some pretty good size. i simply noted there is a lot of bad form used on the video. my intentions where only meant to compliment and possibly help. im sorry if i sounded rude.
 
everyone has their methods and forms, but when you start getting a certain size, range of motion and a lot of the form goes to shit, look at cutler and most of these guys lift in the gym... they do a lot of weight in small concetrated spurts. It's obviously working for them and him, so do what works for you. No disrespect I think was intended by anyone and that's fine, but calling them quater squats ... please. have someone film your workout and post a video of it.... because going back and watching it you will most likely be embarased by your own form, weight and size.
 
Bsaint said:
everyone has their methods and forms, but when you start getting a certain size, range of motion and a lot of the form goes to shit, look at cutler and most of these guys lift in the gym... they do a lot of weight in small concetrated spurts. It's obviously working for them and him, so do what works for you. No disrespect I think was intended by anyone and that's fine, but calling them quater squats ... please. have someone film your workout and post a video of it.... because going back and watching it you will most likely be embarased by your own form, weight and size.
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i have always been able to squat atg and dead lift without a rounded back. your deadlift looked horrid. that kind of stuff will come back to haunt you. the rom you are talking about is purposely used at times but not all the time. if you are losing a lot of mobility you are lkely not stretching enough.
 
Bsaint said:
everyone has their methods and forms, but when you start getting a certain size, range of motion and a lot of the form goes to shit, look at cutler and most of these guys lift in the gym... they do a lot of weight in small concetrated spurts. It's obviously working for them and him, so do what works for you. No disrespect I think was intended by anyone and that's fine, but calling them quater squats ... please. have someone film your workout and post a video of it.... because going back and watching it you will most likely be embarased by your own form, weight and size.
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1. Why exactly does form go to shit when you get to a certain size? I can name some big guys who I have seen performing lifts with extremely good form and even show you videos if you like...

2. they were quarter squats though, there is no denying that. Maybe the top half of the ROM allows him to use extra weight and overload his quads, yeah Im not arguing with that, but they were quarter squats. In my books a full squat would be ATG, a half squat would be parallel and a quarter squat would be something like what the guy in the video was doing.
 
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I've seen Ronnie Coleman who is bigger doing full rom lunges with 135. You are not as big and doing 185 for partial lunges. Their is no reason for form to go to shit. The video was pretty interesting though.
 
Bsaint said:
everyone has their methods and forms, but when you start getting a certain size, range of motion and a lot of the form goes to shit, look at cutler and most of these guys lift in the gym... they do a lot of weight in small concetrated spurts. It's obviously working for them and him, so do what works for you. No disrespect I think was intended by anyone and that's fine, but calling them quater squats ... please. have someone film your workout and post a video of it.... because going back and watching it you will most likely be embarased by your own form, weight and size.
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A couple of things.

1) You posted a compilation video of yourself for all to look at.

2) You do look good in it.

3) You form on just about everything is really bad, but you have the body you have despite that.

4) Yes, they are quarter squats.

5) Size has nothing to do with form. I am bigger (not nearly as well cut up and defined as you - I am a strength athlete, 6'-270), stronger, and a lot older than you (based on your video), and none of those have anything to do with my form. Being "muscle bound" is a myth IMHO. I only have strongman vids out there but check out any of B fold's vids as proof.

6) Your video does really show that you have put a lot of time and effort into what you are doing, and that in itself should be inspiring. Also good for you to look back on as sort of a pseudo training log.

B-
 
Bsaint said:
everyone has their methods and forms, but when you start getting a certain size, range of motion and a lot of the form goes to shit, look at cutler and most of these guys lift in the gym... they do a lot of weight in small concetrated spurts. It's obviously working for them and him, so do what works for you. No disrespect I think was intended by anyone and that's fine, but calling them quater squats ... please. have someone film your workout and post a video of it.... because going back and watching it you will most likely be embarased by your own form, weight and size.
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I'm sorry but that all not true. Form does NOT go to shit when you get big...are you kidding me?? I lift more than you and I still use proper form. Come on bro. Don't kid yourself to make yourself feel better. You will hurt yourself if you use bad form. Eventually, it will fuck you up. This is friendly advice. and it's free.
 
Bsaint said:
everyone has their methods and forms, but when you start getting a certain size, range of motion and a lot of the form goes to shit, look at cutler and most of these guys lift in the gym... they do a lot of weight in small concetrated spurts. It's obviously working for them and him, so do what works for you. No disrespect I think was intended by anyone and that's fine, but calling them quater squats ... please. have someone film your workout and post a video of it.... because going back and watching it you will most likely be embarased by your own form, weight and size.
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You would be surprised at the amount of videos I put up in my journal...and I lift a reasonably decent amount of weight while I am at it as well.
 
Tblock1 said:
Not on bench you don't.................
























Sorry I couldn't help it :( :D
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Well actually my youtube channel does have bench vids. I don't do it often, but I do have bench vids of me playing with 225. It's not much but I was locking it out at least....:D
 
Andalite said:
Well actually my youtube channel does have bench vids. I don't do it often, but I do have bench vids of me playing with 225. It's not much but I was locking it out at least....:D
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NEVER lock out on bench bro....only if it's competition...but locking out during training will fuck up your elbows
 
the_alcatraz said:
NEVER lock out on bench bro....only if it's competition...but locking out during training will fuck up your elbows
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I don't train flat bench press anymore, bro but thanks for the tip. I am not a powerlifter. All I care about are Deadlifts, Front Squats and Strict Overhead Press. Currently my total is 500/315/185=1000 but I aim to reach 2000 in this lifetime :)

Thanks for the heads up though :)
 
Andalite said:
I don't train flat bench press anymore, bro but thanks for the tip. I am not a powerlifter. All I care about are Deadlifts, Front Squats and Strict Overhead Press. Currently my total is 500/315/185=1000 but I aim to reach 2000 in this lifetime :)

Thanks for the heads up though :)
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What are your lifting goals for the next lifetime lol? Are you gonna be reincarnated as the next kk?

And wtf about not locking out on bench?
 
Andalite said:
I don't train flat bench press anymore, bro but thanks for the tip. I am not a powerlifter. All I care about are Deadlifts, Front Squats and Strict Overhead Press. Currently my total is 500/315/185=1000 but I aim to reach 2000 in this lifetime :)

Thanks for the heads up though :)
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so you are a selective bodybuilder??

I'm not sure I understand it, since you're not a powerlifter....
 
the_alcatraz said:
so you are a selective bodybuilder??

I'm not sure I understand it, since you're not a powerlifter....
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I know exactly what you meant by locking out. I don't forcefully lockout anything. I know of the detrimental effects on your joints.

I am not a bodybuilder or a powerlifter. These are just labels. I train to get strong and my primary goal is strength. The only aesthetic aspirations I have are to lose weight and I have recently started something similar to the Warrior Diet...lets see what happens.
 
Andalite said:
I don't train flat bench press anymore, bro but thanks for the tip. I am not a powerlifter. All I care about are Deadlifts, Front Squats and Strict Overhead Press. Currently my total is 500/315/185=1000 but I aim to reach 2000 in this lifetime :)

Thanks for the heads up though :)
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To be honest 2000 sounds extremely opportunistic to me. 2000 even with back squat, bench, and dead would be extremely high raw. I don't think that many people have gotten over 2000 raw, and in your weight class hardly any. Add to that we are talking about overhead press, which is a signicifcant difference from bench, and front squat. Imagining your ratios now you would have to get:
Deadlift 900
ohp: 400
front squat: 700That would be insane.
 
Tblock1 said:
To be honest 2000 sounds extremely opportunistic to me. 2000 even with back squat, bench, and dead would be extremely high raw. I don't think that many people have gotten over 2000 raw, and in your weight class hardly any. Add to that we are talking about overhead press, which is a signicifcant difference from bench, and front squat. Imagining your ratios now you would have to get:
Deadlift 900
ohp: 400
front squat: 700That would be insane.
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Well, you know what they say...aim for the moon and you'll land among the stars :)
 
Andalite said:
I know exactly what you meant by locking out. I don't forcefully lockout anything. I know of the detrimental effects on your joints.

I am not a bodybuilder or a powerlifter. These are just labels. I train to get strong and my primary goal is strength. The only aesthetic aspirations I have are to lose weight and I have recently started something similar to the Warrior Diet...lets see what happens.
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How is your primary goal strength and you don't even bench?? sorry orb dont mean to seem judgemental, just giving my 2 cents
 
the_alcatraz said:
How is your primary goal strength and you don't even bench?? sorry orb dont mean to seem judgemental, just giving my 2 cents
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Because to me the bench press and the back squat are not ideal tests of strength. That is just my opinion. For me, Front Squats and Strict Standing Overhead Press are better testers of strength. This is just my opinion.

Even if I could, I wouldn't be able to bench press...I suffer from massive painful shoulder dislocations on both shoulders therefore there is no way I can bench without being in insane pain.
 
Andalite said:
Because to me the bench press and the back squat are not ideal tests of strength. That is just my opinion. For me, Front Squats and Strict Standing Overhead Press are better testers of strength. This is just my opinion.

Even if I could, I wouldn't be able to bench press...I suffer from massive painful shoulder dislocations on both shoulders therefore there is no way I can bench without being in insane pain.
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It is a universal marker of strength bro it involves most of your upper body....if you cant do it I understand but saying that it doesnt measure strength or not the best measurement of strength is not a very valid argument.

Bench, deads, squats - best measurements of strength. Hence why they are the power lifter's main exercises
 
nothing wrong with doing your own thing.
 
the_alcatraz said:
It is a universal marker of strength bro it involves most of your upper body....if you cant do it I understand but saying that it doesnt measure strength or not the best measurement of strength is not a very valid argument.
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Thats just someone's opinion. To me they aren't the best tests of strength. I have a right to have my own opinion. Just because powerlifters do them doesn't make them the best to me. This is about my training after all...so back squats and bench press have little to no value for me. If you like them and they work for you thats fine. They aren't just aren't as important to me. I hold my press and front squats with higher regard.

Regarding it being a valid argument, I would say that for functional strength front squats and overhead presses are much better than back squats and bench press. How likely are you in the real world to put something heavy on your back and squat it versus holding it up front and squatting it? Same goes for the bench press..you are more likely to need to lift something up and above your head versus lying on your back. Sure the current fad is to train like a powerlifter and eat like a bodybuilder but why train solely like a powerlifter and restrict yourself when you have no ambition to compete? I don't make a living out of lifting weights...I do this for my own personal satisfaction.
 
Andalite said:
Thats just someone's opinion. To me they aren't the best tests of strength. I have a right to have my own opinion. Just because powerlifters do then doesn't make them the best to me. This is about my training after all...so back squats and bench press have little to no value for me. If you like them and they work for you thats fine. They aren't just aren't as important to me. I hold my press and front squats with higher regard.
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How do you work out your chest?

Do you do anything for your arms?

It's cool if you're doing your own thing
 
the_alcatraz said:
How do you work out your chest?

Do you do anything for your arms?

It's cool if you're doing your own thing
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I am not sure I understand you. You stated that bench press is the best test for upper body strength.

Now you are asking about working out the chest.

From the PL'ers and Strongmen I have met, I have learnt that the bench press is NOT a chest movement but more so depends on your back and your triceps and your shoulders. RAW lifters would utilize their chest a lot more, naturally, but by and large the bench press is more so an upper back, shoulders and triceps movement in that you rely on these muscles groups the most. This is my understanding of the bench press from my experiences with meeting various powerlifters and strongmen and from the readings of Westside which I did many years ago.

If you are asking me how do I work my chest, then I can list my exercises which are largely incline CGBP, push-ups and dumbbell presses (although I rarely do dumbbell press work).

I do hammer curls for my biceps from time to time and all the CGBP and dip work that I do hits my triceps. I don't focus as much on muscle groups as much as I do on movements.
 
Andalite said:
Regarding it being a valid argument, I would say that for functional strength front squats and overhead presses are much better than back squats and bench press.
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bingo the only functional lift in powerlifting is deads. If you want functional strength then strongman training is where it's at, not powerlifting. Picking up sand bags and kegs, throwing kegs and barrels, carrying objects like hussafel's stone (sp?), carrying heavy shit in your hands and arms and picking shit up from the ground for fairly high reps are much more likely to be things you may come across in real life.

Powerlifting isn't that functional, especially when it is equipped powerlifting as opposed to raw powerlifting...
 
ExtraMile said:
bingo the only functional lift in powerlifting is deads. If you want functional strength then strongman training is where it's at, not powerlifting. Picking up sand bags and kegs, throwing kegs and barrels, carrying objects like hussafel's stone (sp?), carrying heavy shit in your hands and arms and picking shit up from the ground for fairly high reps are much more likely to be things you may come across in real life.

Powerlifting isn't that functional, especially when it is equipped powerlifting as opposed to raw powerlifting...
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Thats true. And you have to also consider this: not everyone has the opportunity to haul 600 lbs tires all over the place. For people who don't have the strongman equipment, doing other lifts which can be as close to them is important. For example, there is no way I can have access to a yoke up pick up and walk around so I can try to mimic something close to that: barbell walkouts. It is not the same thing but it is something close to the real deal.

Good point, EM :)
 
I seriously feel like I've either just experienced DeJaVu or I've seen parts of this video before quite some time ago.

Looking GREAT man!!! Very impressive body no matter what anyone says. For sure something that most anyone wanting to be a "bodybuilder" would be inspired to have.

I can criticize your form all day, but I also criticize and study my form and others all day as well. Mine is so far from perfect. People say my Deadlift form is crap but the supposedly "bad" form works better for me when I NEED to make a weight (safely). I know that if I did quarter squats like you posted, my knees would ache for days and days. Your elbows out, then super out, on the bench press would kill me as well.

I'm 6'2" and anywhere from 280-297 lbs with visible abs (not as lean as you and not as good looking as you, for sure)...and I can do all full ROM exercises (except military press...haaaaa).
 
the_alcatraz said:
How is your primary goal strength and you don't even bench?? sorry orb dont mean to seem judgemental, just giving my 2 cents
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I have to go with Andalite here.

I do very steep incline benches, but that is it, and I am the exception in my group, NONE of them bench. My decision is based mostly on those around me. I am one of the few in my crew that has not torn a pec while benching. On top of it, in my sport it is not relevant to any type of competition activity, and in life has no functional use unless you are an NFL offensive lineman - and then I think I could make an argument that isn't the case either.

If I were still PLing I of course would bench. Other than that though, the risk/reward ratio to me is not worth it.

B-
 
bblazer said:
I have to go with Andalite here.

I do very steep incline benches, but that is it, and I am the exception in my group, NONE of them bench. My decision is based mostly on those around me. I am one of the few in my crew that has not torn a pec while benching. On top of it, in my sport it is not relevant to any type of competition activity, and in life has no functional use unless you are an NFL offensive lineman - and then I think I could make an argument that isn't the case either.

If I were still PLing I of course would bench. Other than that though, the risk/reward ratio to me is not worth it.

B-
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This too but who said that the bench press is the best test of strength? Some guy ages ago and ever since then it is harped about like the holy fucking grail.
 
bblazer said:
I have to go with Andalite here.

I do very steep incline benches, but that is it, and I am the exception in my group, NONE of them bench. My decision is based mostly on those around me. I am one of the few in my crew that has not torn a pec while benching. On top of it, in my sport it is not relevant to any type of competition activity, and in life has no functional use unless you are an NFL offensive lineman - and then I think I could make an argument that isn't the case either.

If I were still PLing I of course would bench. Other than that though, the risk/reward ratio to me is not worth it.

B-
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Do steep inclines give you much carryover to axle pressing? I'm assuming this is why you're doing them.

Btw, my fat gripz should be here just in time for my Wednesday OHP session. I'm very much looking forward to using these. I will mainly be using them for OHP, curls, and tri extensions. CGBP too when I reintroduce them into my training.
 
SouthernLord said:
Do steep inclines give you much carryover to axle pressing? I'm assuming this is why you're doing them.

Btw, my fat gripz should be here just in time for my Wednesday OHP session. I'm very much looking forward to using these. I will mainly be using them for OHP, curls, and tri extensions. CGBP too when I reintroduce them into my training.
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I wish I could quantify the carryover for you, but I believe that there is some. For me it is in the lockout and stabilizing of the axle or log. Also I suppose it would come into play in something like a tire flip where you are pushing off at a pretty high angle, but there you also have a lot of leg drive too.

Once you go fat, you'll never go back. That applies to ladies as well as training equipment.

B-
 
bblazer said:
I wish I could quantify the carryover for you, but I believe that there is some. For me it is in the lockout and stabilizing of the axle or log. Also I suppose it would come into play in something like a tire flip where you are pushing off at a pretty high angle, but there you also have a lot of leg drive too.

Once you go fat, you'll never go back. That applies to ladies as well as training equipment.

B-
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I have the fat ladies down pat :D
 
Hmm...interesting

I learned quite a few things in this thread

One thing I disagree with -I love my bench...wouldnt give it up for anything
 
the_alcatraz said:
Hmm...interesting

I learned quite a few things in this thread

One thing I disagree with -I love my bench...wouldnt give it up for anything
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No one is asking you to give it up for anything. You asked me a question so I answered it that is all :)
 
Andalite said:
No one is asking you to give it up for anything. You asked me a question so I answered it that is all :)
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yeah I love my bench too can't wait to get to 315. Personally I think there is no denying that bench gives you massive upper body strength, maybe there are better lifts but still.

Sl: My fat grips are going to get here thursday too:), along with a hoodie and 2 bands. Can't wait to use the bands too. Thanks a ton for showing me that bargain too, I love free shipping!
 
Tblock1 said:
yeah I love my bench too can't wait to get to 315. Personally I think there is no denying that bench gives you massive upper body strength, maybe there are better lifts but still.

Sl: My fat grips are going to get here thursday too:), along with a hoodie and 2 bands. Can't wait to use the bands too. Thanks a ton for showing me that bargain too, I love free shipping!
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