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Lifting TOO HEAVY During Cycle

I'm on week 8 and my muscles and/or joints in my left pec, shoulder insertion point just can't take the stress anymore. My strength was going up like crazy each workout. More so than ever before. 750 Test, 500 Deca. Don't think I tore my pec, but I definitely had not had that feeling before. Felt like a hot knife slicing through my muscle, good stuff.It pisses me off. Oh well, I got a good 8 weeks out of it. Now I have to take this week off for sure to recover b/c I can't do hardly anything with my left arm involving the shoulder and pec, which is almost anything :rolleyes: sniff sniff.
 
The Terminator said:
And thus is one of THE MAJOR problems with rapid steroid gains...You HAVE to learn to train to try and avoid this (I think its something that comes with age....The knowledge of HOW to train so this doesnt happen that is...;)

If I could turn back time it would be nice. People warned me, but I felt unstopable, I should have listened. :worried: Live and Learn, won't happen again.....anytime soon ;)
 
detroitbodybuildertigers said:
If I could turn back time it would be nice. People warned me, but I felt unstopable, I should have listened. :worried: Live and Learn, won't happen again.....anytime soon ;)


Once you get a MAJOR injury you NEVER train the same again...:o

I dont ever try and do one rep maximums anymore (I havent for years). You learn to train smarter with age (in order to avoid injury...)
 
I fucked myself up on 10reps maximum while on winstrol. Now I'm out of teh game for 6 weeks. Oh glory.
Give me a gun, and I'll shoot myself..
 
detroitbodybuildertigers said:
What's the lowest reps you perform?

About 4-5 (any less than that and I feel my form suffers too much, and other muscles I am NOT targeting become overly involved and thus it takes away from what area I am REALLY trying to work on :o)
 
detroitbodybuildertigers said:
what happened exactly?

I usually train to failure in the 5-15 range. I do an HST-split, with bench press 3 days a week, 1 set every day. I add 5lb every day, and thus my rep count decreases. Now, at 285lbs, I usually can't pull off that no. 6. That day, however, winstrol did the pushing for me, and I nailed 10. This was after 3 weeks of 50mg ED, winny only. My tendons were allready like sore guitar strings, and joints dry as the Gobi desert. Well, after few minutes, my arm was all stiff, and I couldn't even bend it. Good thing I didn't go for 350lb. Prolly would have snapped.
Now I'm just sitting here, and it sucks. I had just breached the wall, and now all is in vain. Hurrah! :I
Glukosamine + chondroitine + MSM now. Maybe I'll get som anavar to help out collagen synthesis..?
 
vio said:
Maybe I'll get som anavar to help out collagen synthesis..?

That wont help you with collagen synthesis...
6 Weeks is not that bad...I was sideline ENTIRELY for nearly 6 months once (THAT was rough :()

This hard time WILL pass.... :)
 
The Terminator said:
That wont help you with collagen synthesis...
6 Weeks is not that bad...I was sideline ENTIRELY for nearly 6 months once (THAT was rough :()

This hard time WILL pass.... :)

But! I haven't been away from the gym more than 5 days before! This is unacceptable! :O
I'm going to drop 40lb on my 1RM!
Winstrol sux! :'(
 
vio said:
But! I haven't been away from the gym more than 5 days before! This is unacceptable! :O
I'm going to drop 40lb on my 1RM!
Winstrol sux! :'(

hello, what's wrong with you... looking kind of weird to me..?
 
wls8687 said:
hello, what's wrong with you... looking kind of weird to me..?

How come?
I'm one of those whom if eating less than 4000kCal a day, or not working out for a week, will drop 5kgs body mass a week. My body wants to weigh in @ 130lbs :(.
 
I was thinking about this recently as well...I am currently at the end of my 2nd week of 5's on HST, and it is taking its toll on my body - so much so I think I have to spread workout out to 1 on, 2 off for the last 2 weeks of 5's to give the CNS a break...

If I was on cycle with this going on I would be very tempted to go at least every other day and maybe every day to get the most out of the cycle...and that would be just asking for injury.

Drop sets and slow reps with perfect form instead of giant increases in weight are my plan, but the lure of the big iron will be hard to ignore...

Keep it in control - use your head...get your rest...

Good luck,


Bluesman
 
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The Terminator said:
That wont help you with collagen synthesis...
6 Weeks is not that bad...I was sideline ENTIRELY for nearly 6 months once (THAT was rough :()

This hard time WILL pass.... :)


That isnt true, anavar has shown to increase procollagen III mRNA sythesis 11 fold and procollagen I 2 fold.

The repair process entails the reestablishment of a connective tissue matrix, a scar, where collagen is the major matrix component. Collagen deposition is critical for the initial gains in wound breaking strength and makes up the extracellular matrix of granulation tissue. The systemic administration of anabolic steroid reportedly enhances wound repair through the expansion of collagen synthesis and deposition. Do human dermal fibroblasts receiving an anabolic steroid, oxandrolone, increase their expression of procollagen mRNA? Human dermal fibroblasts were grown on collagen-coated or uncoated plastic dishes in the presence of ascorbic acid to optimize collagen processing. By Northern Blot analysis, fibroblasts growing on collagen expressed less types I and III procollagen mRNA, reduced by 49 percent and 91 percent respectively, compared to fibroblasts growing on plastic. Fibroblasts growing on plastic and receiving oxandrolone (3g/mL) showed a minimal change in procollagen mRNA expression. However, oxandrolone stimulated expression of type III procollagen mRNA 11-fold and type I procollagen mRNA doubled in fibroblasts maintained on collagen, relative to control fibroblasts maintained on collagen. A collagen substrate inhibits types I and III procollagen mRNA expression in fibroblasts. The anabolic steroid, oxandrolone, antagonizes such collagen substrate inhibition of procollagen mRNA expression, stimulating procollagen mRNA expression to levels of fibroblasts growing on plastic. These findings suggest that oxandrolone may directly enhance wound healing by increasing the expression of procollagen mRNA in fibroblasts associated with a collagen matrix analogous to the healing wound.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/403338
 
I know everyone responds different to diferent training methods and gear...but I find that while I am on cycle, I respond better if I go for the higher reps and lower sets to get the serious Acid burns. When I am off cycle, I go with the heavier weights with lower reps...such as 5X5.
I grow better when I get the serious pump from higher reps.
I get more pump from 3 sets of 8 or 10 with lesser weight than I do with 5X5
 
Goldprospector said:
I know everyone responds different to diferent training methods and gear...but I find that while I am on cycle, I respond better if I go for the higher reps and lower sets to get the serious Acid burns. When I am off cycle, I go with the heavier weights with lower reps...such as 5X5.
I grow better when I get the serious pump from higher reps.
I get more pump from 3 sets of 8 or 10 with lesser weight than I do with 5X5

I agree with this. I like doing higher reps on almost every workout but about 2/6 I do high weight low rep.
 
Possibly...collagen is made up of a procollagen matrix of 3 types of procollagen...depends how your body deals with the extra proteins...
 
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If you are on a good cycle, don't worry about going light for a week or two.

The change in reps from low to high could benefit you too.

Overload and intensity build muscles, not weight.

I would have prefered to lift heavy for all of my last cycle too, but when I partially tore my quad,I had to do 100 rep sets and stuff for a month.

Did me a load of good in the long run.
 
5x5 is the lowest I go ever. I haven't had any joint pain to speak of in 20+ yrs of lifting.
 
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And my joints got all fucked up after 3 weeks on my first cycle.
You lucky bastard!
Karma for that! :D

How low is effective dose for increasing collagen synthesis with anavar? Is 10mg sufficient?
 
detroitbodybuildertigers said:
What's the lowest reps you perform?
I dont know if you're a fan of the Heavy Duty Method, but I used to do it from September to Feburary. I never had "puffy" muscles because of it. It keeps you vascular and hard, and you make strength and size gains if you follow the rules. For me, 1 set done to failure is more effective in building hard rock slabs of beef than set upon set of heavy weights, and I never experienced joint pains and tears that many of my friends had because they felt big weights and lots of sets mean results. It just means damage. Also, stretching for 30 minutes a day helps and made me feel limber and loose. You have to stretch. Hey, did you know that American Football players perform yoga strecthing techniques to keep them agile and loose. We're talking about 300 lb gorrillas who can sprint! Be careful man and stay healthy.
 
wesley90 said:
I am not sure...although I wouldnt waste your time with that amount...do at least 40mgs.

yes 10mg is a waste. You will have the best results with hgh and adequan. forget the anavar unless you have money to blow, then why not through it in there.
 
I gave you some karma for lifting hard. Other then that I feel you pain. Doing chest yesterday, after each set I had to rest my arms on something to stop the pain in my shoulders.
 
anthony518 said:
I gave you some karma for lifting hard. Other then that I feel you pain. Doing chest yesterday, after each set I had to rest my arms on something to stop the pain in my shoulders.

I'm taking the whole week off this week, it SUCKS. I'll never push myself that hard anymore, not worth the injury!!!
 
I've been off for more than a week now due to winny tendons. Feeling a tad bit better now. I'll give it a try with 60% of 1RM tomorrow.
 
while on a cycle contrate on form and contracting each muscle with each rep through a full range of motion and warm up really good. following these rules you will never get hurt and grow more then ever
 
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