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Libido Problems? Read this!

drveejay11

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Viagra and Cialis are great for increased stimulation/blood supply to the wee-wee and better/longer erections. BUT......what if the problem is libido related? I've heard people suggest yohimbe/Maca/Arginine/Proviron---hell I've recommended this as well! But IMHO......THIS IS THE REAL DEAL
 
My cousin in Brazil took "uprima" and he did not like it at all, he said viagra is much better; I was wondering that`s why he did not like it. Uprima is for libido.
 
Need a scrip?

johnboy said:
You can buy pharmacutical yohimbee from http://www.rejuvenationfoundation.org/ They work fucking wonders on the sex drive compared to the Bull shit they sell in america. This shit i took 3X/day and had to drop the dose because i was losing control of my erections and libido at work. I wanted to fuck every good looking girl in there.

Checked the site. Did you need a prescription to get it sent to the US? Don't see why tree bark extract should be a controlled substance.
 
Re: Need a scrip?

Baby Gorilla said:

Checked the site. Did you need a prescription to get it sent to the US? Don't see why tree bark extract should be a controlled substance.

It's not Yohimbine in and of itself that's prescription-only, it's the fact that the dose is 5mg. The highest legal non-prescription Yohimbine dose in the US is 2.9mg per cap/tab.
 
johnboy said:
You can buy pharmacutical yohimbee from http://www.rejuvenationfoundation.org/ They work fucking wonders on the sex drive compared to the Bull shit they sell in america. This shit i took 3X/day and had to drop the dose because i was losing control of my erections and libido at work. I wanted to fuck every good looking girl in there.

Proviron works GREAT too!
JB....I agree with you when you declare Yohimbe to aid with sex drive BUT it does it in an entirely different fashion. The mechanism that Yohimbe/Maca/ Tribulis all work on is by aiding in restoring Test levels. Sex Drive will be restored if in fact THIS is theonly problem!

What Dostinex does is actually work on libido (desire) and the mental facet of "sex drive". It is a dopamine agonist. By restoring some peple's HPTA back, will NOT automatically restore sex drive/desire. Some people have coconuts for balls (mega-test levels) and NO libido. However, dopamine agonist have been known for years to increase libido (they actually discovered Parkinson's patients had crazy high libido issues once they hbegan taking the meds......dopaime agonists).

Proviron DOES in fact mitigate a chemical response in the brain that will trigger the DESIRE part of sex drive. It is effective IMHO.

Dostinex combats the hyperprolactinemia (raised Prolactin Levels)
and will help lack of sexual desire sufferers in 2 possible different ways:
1) those who have painful post orgasmic erections (caused by increased Prolactin levels)
2) Decrease high prolactin levels thereby inhibiting negative chemical signals to the brain and allowing for sexual desire to be physiologically achieved!
 
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Sigmund Roid said:
VJ, is there an attenuation effect after a while, i.e. is the effectiveness of the medication decreasing over time?

To date, I have yet to read ANYTHING stating that one would attenuate after timed usage.

I think there would be 2 schools of thought if one were to guess:

1) The body DOES seem to attenuate to most drugs after long periods of time (yes-very general statement)

Conversely:

2) Due to the fact that its mechanism of action is based upon the drug's ability to decrease Prolactin levels; I would say NO attenuation could be achieved. Its action could be compared to that of liquidex. It simply inhibits the activity of a hormone that is considered "too high"; in this case Prolactin vs Estrogen.
 
Thx, VJ

Another Q:

Do you think that long term use of high dosage AAS will supress dopamine levels in the brain? There are several cases of people with permanent low libido, even after they restored their HPTA by the use of HCG, clomid or testosterone for extended periods.
 
Sigmund Roid said:
Thx, VJ

Another Q:

Do you think that long term use of high dosage AAS will supress dopamine levels in the brain? There are several cases of people with permanent low libido, even after they restored their HPTA by the use of HCG, clomid or testosterone for extended periods.

IMO-----yes there is a chance! Long term use of any drugs which directly effect hormonal chemistry will in some way effect the body's ability to function 100% NORMALLY! We can protect/restore our HPTA as much as possible but ultimatley it's the body's response (or not) to counter-act such attempts. Here we go again with genetics----some people WILL BE effected as you mentioned, some won't.

This is NOT speculation. I have read reports on this very subject! I will try to find and paste when i get a chance!

AS are great in so many ways but don't ever forget we are dealing with hormone altering DRUGS here. When done properly, the benefits out-weigh the risks------but try asking that to someone who's genetics didn't come through for him!:rolleyes:
 
Ok VJ, you know your stuff!

Another Q:

Mostly, right after ejaculation you have a 'remission period' it is called? When you are hypersensitive and have an irritating feeling 'over there'. Is this caused by some neurotransmitter depletion, like dopamine or overstimulation of the nerve endings? I cannot figure out the neurofysiological difference that makes men different from women in that aspect. In other words, how can men overcome this remission period in a much shorter time?
 
Sigmund Roid said:
Ok VJ, you know your stuff!

Another Q:

Mostly, right after ejaculation you have a 'remission period' it is called? When you are hypersensitive and have an irritating feeling 'over there'. Is this caused by some neurotransmitter depletion, like dopamine or overstimulation of the nerve endings? I cannot figure out the neurofysiological difference that makes men different from women in that aspect. In other words, how can men overcome this remission period in a much shorter time?

The answer could come from several things bro; sorry but it’s actually a complicated MULTI-FACETED question:

Prostate dysfunction. The most common problem is the "temporary" prostate enlargement, as a result of overproduction of dihydrotestosterone (DHT) due to the burning of testosterone by an enzyme called 5-alpha reductase. The excessive DHT trapped in the prostate and its surround muscle, as a result of a poor local blood circulation and an overburst of testosterone or 5-alpha reductase in a sexual encounter, will cause erection or post-orgasmic pain for men.

IC “Interstitial cystitis”. IC can contribute to painful ejaculations, and normal sexual response can certainly be adversely affected by pain or the anticipation of pain. Plenty of evidence suggests that men treated successfully for IC usually experience normal erections and ejaculations.

(Interstitial cystitis (IC) is a chronic inflammatory condition of the bladder wall. Its cause is unknown. "Common" cystitis, also known as a urinary tract infection, is caused by bacteria and is usually successfully treated with antibiotics. Unlike common cystitis, IC is believed not to be caused by bacteria and does not respond to conventional antibiotic therapy. It is important to note that IC is not a psychosomatic disorder nor is it caused by stress.)


Hormonal Deficiencies leading to Nervous System dysfunction Upon ejaculating, one may experience an abrupt drop of the neurotransmitters acetylcholine, dopamine and serotonin and the hormone testosterone in the brain and an excessive conversion of dopamine-norepinephrine-epinephrine (adrenalin) in the brain and adrenal medulla. As a result, the Central Nervous System contains excessive cortisol that induced initial Euphoria followed by subsequent depression and then lowered the threshold for seizure activity, resulting in the instability of his brain.

Like this: ( response to orgasm”ejaculation”):
Orgasmic Stress => Dopamine-adrenalin conversion => Stimulating Central Nervous System => Hypothalamus ==(CRF)==> Anterior Pituitary ==(ACTH)==> Adrenal Cortex => secreting Androgen, Aldosterone and Cortisol, where Cortisol, in turn, floods and inhibits the Central Nervous System, Hypothalamus and Anterior Pituitary. Thus, excessive adrenalin triggers the flooding of excessive Cortisol into the brain.

Deficiency of the relaxation hormone prostaglandin E-1This problem is associated with a deficiency of the relaxation and tissue-elastic hormone prostaglandin E-1 (PGE-1) and the excessive trapping of the stress neurhormone epinephrine (adrenalin) in the tissues in tailbone, rectum, anus, perineum and groins, in the post-orgasm or post-ejaculation state when you lost your semen to ejaculation. Generally, semen contains PGE-1 and PGE-2. Here, Seminal PGE-1 is diffused into the pelvic tissues to increase the relaxation and tissues elasticity for touching, stretching, and expansion/contraction; PGE-2 is to enhance the contraction (intensity) of orgasm in the tissues around the pelvic cavity. When your tissues produce insufficient PGE-1, you need the PE-1 diffusion to retain the tissue elasticity and relaxation. Once your ejaculate, your seminal vesicles are empty or semi-empty and your tissues and ligaments around the pelvic cavity from the low abdomen, groins, testicles, scrotum and perineum to your anus/rectum/tailbone experiences an abrupt drop of the PGE-1. You will feel rigidity and tightness in your low back and groins after ejaculating. The worst situation is that orgasm is a result from sympathetic fire accompanying with the dopamine-epinephrine conversion. CAUSING PAIN

:angel:
 
Actually, this is the stuff that Huck said may be better than bromo at reducing prolactin w/o the bad side effects.

And VJ why have you not told me where I can get this yet. :smash: :p
 
Hi VJ,

A hell of a response! Thank you.

So the conclusion is, that this male limitation cannot be solved easily, unless some biochemist on the board has a brilliant idea....
 
Sigmund Roid said:
Hi VJ,

A hell of a response! Thank you.

So the conclusion is, that this male limitation cannot be solved easily, unless some biochemist on the board has a brilliant idea....

Yup!!!! :FRlol: :spin: :FRlol:

Peace
 
walmer setta said:
My cousin in Brazil took "uprima" and he did not like it at all, he said viagra is much better; I was wondering that`s why he did not like it. Uprima is for libido.

Uprima here in Brazil is the pharmaceutical grade name of the drug apomorphine , to use to get person "relaxed"(downs adrenaline) and easily have a erection.
i took once and the only thing i felt was a strong nauseous reaction...
 
drveejay11 said:

JB....I agree with you when you declare Yohimbe to aid with sex drive BUT it does it in an entirely different fashion. The mechanism that Yohimbe/Maca/ Tribulis all work on is by aiding in restoring Test levels. Sex Drive will be restored if in fact THIS is theonly problem!

] Many studies have shown no increase in Test using Trib or Yohimbe. don't know about the maca. BUT yohimbe and Trib are effective sex aids- yohim to increase desire/control/enhance ridgidity of erection, and Trib for ridgidity (and possibly increase seman volume).
 
I have my GF taking 1/4 tab bromo (or .625mg) per day with the intention of increasing libido. She has been on it for ~3 weeks now and I can tell nothing. Someone mentioned the "bad" side effects of bromo. What are they?
 
TrueCowboy said:
I have my GF taking 1/4 tab bromo (or .625mg) per day with the intention of increasing libido. She has been on it for ~3 weeks now and I can tell nothing. Someone mentioned the "bad" side effects of bromo. What are they?

I might be wrong, but I think prolactin is not the inhibiting factor in female libido when they have normal prolactin levels. However, it is for men.

Sides:
23 percent of postpartum patients treated had at least 1 side effect, but they were generally mild to moderate in degree. Therapy was discontinued in approximately 3% of patients. The most frequently occurring adverse reactions were: headache (10%), dizziness (8%), nausea (7%), vomiting (3%), fatigue (1.0%), syncope (0.7%), diarrhea (0.4%) and cramps (0.4%). Decreases in blood pressure (Âł20 mm Hg systolic and Âł10 mm Hg diastolic) occurred in 28% of patients at least once during the first 3 postpartum days; these were usually of a transient nature. Reports of fainting in the puerperium may possibly be related to this effect. In postmarketing experience in the U.S. serious adverse reactions reported include 72 cases of seizures (including 4 cases of status epilepticus), 30 cases of stroke, and 9 cases of myocardial infarction among postpartum patients. Seizure cases were not necessarily accompanied by the development of hypertension. An unremitting and often progressively severe headache, sometimes accompanied by visual disturbance, often preceded by hours to days many cases of seizure and/or stroke. Most patients had shown no evidence of any of the hypertensive disorders of pregnancy including eclampsia. preeclampsia or pregnancy induced hypertension. One stroke case was associated with sagittal sinus thrombosis, and another was associated with cerebral and cerebellar vasculitis. One case of myocardial infarction was associated with unexplained disseminated intravascular coagulation and a second occurred in conjunction with use of another ergot alkaloid. The relationship of these adverse reactions to bromocriptine mesylate administration has not been established.
 
What about drug interactions with things like wellbutrin, which also modulates dopamine levels? What dosages of cabergolin are therapeutic for sexual enhancement versus just lowering prolactin? How long after taking the cabergolin until it kicks in and enhances labido?
 
Dostinex is the SHIT ! I was horney as hell with non-stop erections after about two weeks of taking it. It's MUCH better than Bromocriptine. I bought mine here. There is no need to take more than one pill every 3 or 4 days so it's also convenient. Btw a great drug to kill appetite.
 
Ive used dostinex and didn't like it all. It made me nauseus and gave me wicked anxiety.
I'll stick with avena sativa thank you.

Yohimbe is an archaic drug used to treat impotence due to the fact that it increases blood flow to the extremities -- something viagra or xanthoparmilia does much, much better. Yohimbe does not increase testosterone or highten libido.

Maca will increase libido in most men but it's uncertain how it works. It does not increase T.

Tribulus has been shown to increase LH, but NOT in older men or men who have been supressed -- the ones who need it most.

Bad side effects of bromo? Plenty. But they aren't immediate.
 
Spidey said:
What about drug interactions with things like wellbutrin, which also modulates dopamine levels? What dosages of cabergolin are therapeutic for sexual enhancement versus just lowering prolactin? How long after taking the cabergolin until it kicks in and enhances labido?
DrVeejay?
 
Nelson Montana said:
Yohimbe is an archaic drug used to treat impotence due to the fact that it increases blood flow to the extremities -- something viagra or xanthoparmilia does much, much better. Yohimbe does not increase testosterone or highten libido.

1. Nelson:
According to research (I'll post it if I can find it) yohimbe and viagra are synergistic. They work towards the same goal (a better stiffy :devil:) by different mechaisms, and the whole exceeds the sum of the parts (and the part will be better for the hole).

The Yohimbe/Yohimbine increases blood flow to the target area, viagra increases NO (or is it NO2?) by inhibiting its breakdown by PDE-5 which keeps the increased inflow in the right place.

Based on personal experience, separately both are good, together they're awesome. I use for enhancement, not ED, so I can't say this for sure, but I would bet that non-responders to either individually would in fact respond to the combo.

2. General
I've read (haven't tried) that Dostinex suppossedly enables men to have almost the equiv to womens multiple orgasm thing because prolactin release upon orgasm is suppossedly the mechanism for refractory period. eliminate prolactin increase, eliminate refractory period. anybody have any experience on this?
 
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geoboy said:

I've read (haven't tried) that Dostinex suppossedly enables men to have almost the equiv to womens multiple orgasm thing because prolactin release upon orgasm is suppossedly the mechanism for refractory period. eliminate prolactin increase, eliminate refractory period. anybody have any experience on this?
That is what this thread was initially about. Read the first post by DRVEEJAY.

DrVEEJAY - What about drug interactions with things like wellbutrin (also modulates dopamine)?
 
this sounds great guys, something I need desperately!!

I've gotten on that website once or twice but there is sooo much information on there it is hard to determine where to begin.

I've also been wondering about potential sides or more importantly, interactions. How does Cabergoline work? does it improve the release and functioning of dopamine from dopamine-specific neurons? Does it inhibit MAOI-specific to dopamine? If it works as an inhibitor, then I would assume that particular precautions must be taken, as when taking non-specific MAOI's.

And what about the other dopamine agonist drugs, like hydergine, I believe it was.
 
FYO, after using dost. I used bromo @ 2.5 mg per day, and after using both of them I concluded that I highly prefer the dost. Dost didn't have any side-effects for me, while bromo makes me feel puky and drowsy, even though I only take it before sleeping.
 
ahh yes, selegiline...

pretty much work the same? Selegiline is a dopamine agonist, but does it have the prolactin inhibiting effect that the cabergoline has?
 
I never notice anything from deprenyl/selegiline...I just take a 5mg tablet twice a week for its nuero-protective benefits
 
they need to make supps that down your libido. walking around with a sore dick sucks
 
i mean no disrespect to vj and i don't mean to be a wet blanket but word about dostinex is old news and it's way over inflated in my opinion and experience. dostinex definitely has side effects and zero prolactin is not a good idea. most importantly, it's not the sex drug that this web site makes it out to be, not even close in fact. i have used it and all i got from it was a feeling of disgust for any and all food (this was VERY pronounced), nausea and a very dull, long lasting headache. zero prolactin levels also has its own little surprises too so if you're planning on taking this VERY powerful drug, read more than that web site.
 
Fuckin peachy, i get all excited thinking something might actually help me out and it's 179 BUCKS A MONTH!
 
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