LGD gaining and genetics

[letsgosarms]

This is my second cycle of LGD, first one being a brief 2 1/2 weeks.

This time i am at around 4 weeks this sunday. I can say that i have gained about 3 pounds of muscle. Bumping my dosage to 3mg last week today. I bumped it up to 4mg today.

I am still eating like a pig, more than enough nutrients, and macros per day easily. 4-5k calories per day. 300g's of protein. shit load of carbs.
I went from 170-181 today, from start to now on cycle, and am running an 8 week cycle.

My concern being is that i may never look like i lift. When i wear cut-off shirts and get pumped of course it looks like i am running a cycle, easily. But when i am off, it just only looks like i am well-phsycically built, best comparison a model pretty much.

A trouble for me has always been growing my triceps near my elbow. They just won't grow, and one person mentioned it was genetics. And that i can't change that. It pisses me off beyond words. How can i help build this part?

They say LGD helps build bigger bones, and i am a believer of this. LGD is awesome. It may just be that i am expecting results too soon? I tend to want to rush things, i am getting bigger every week obviously, as everyday my strength gains go up, a lot!

I don't want to venture into steroids anytime soon. If LGD stays around for long enough, i might just run it the rest of my life.

Do you guys think by week 8 i will see much better results? 3lbs in almost 4 weeks is not too shabby, although it still does not look like i lift haha.

thanks

 

[Cipp21]

Bigger bones don't mean bigger muscles. Tricep shape, as well as any other muscle, is highly dependent on genetics. 3lbs in 4 weeks are great results! A little underrated compared to LGDs clinical trials but nevertheless pretty great gains for a SARM. Like stated above though, SARMS make more subtle changes compared to the real shiz. Can't expect to get huge off of one or two cycles of LGD.

 

[SirIsaacBrock]

After reading around on the forum quite a bit I am beginning to question the point of using SARMS standalone anyway.. running osta/s4 you're required to run a mini pct and/or an on cycle support like hcgenerate just to be safe, and I know running lgd which is supposedly more suppressive than osta you definitely have to. Anyway, Im beginning to wonder, why bother? Depending on where you get your sarms, the cost of those + the on/post cycle support can quite easily out cost something like a heladrol cycle with its on/post cycle supports as well.

I still have much more reading to do but I have to say that the main thing about sarms that attracted me initially was word of the ability to make gains without worrying about suppression - basically take it and dont worry - but you do have to worry about it, and if I am going to be spending on 'mini pct' products Id almost rather spend a little more or the same on a post cycle stack + products and run something like helladrol and get some much more noticeable and keepable gains. I was thinking of an 8 week osta/s4 stack but I can run a 6 week 75/75/100/100/125 heladrol for close to the same price and according to what Ive been reading, make plenty more gains.. I guess there is slightly more risk, but i figure if im following an on/post cycle protocol for both, I might as well go with what makes the biggest impact.

Anyone chime in on why they choose standalone sarms vs a ph like heladrol?

 

[21"GunSalute]

Well I can tell you that I've used both before, osta and hella. Both for different goals though. I've used hella for gaining muscle and osta for basically fat loss with a little bit of lean muscle gain. Both have been outstanding in my mind. Both got me to my goals and the best shape I've been in years. Both times I've used osta I've had no suppression or sides at all. With the hella I did have some sides but the pct took care of that 100%. There are just to few logs of the lgd to really compare it to hella yet. I can see your point to why not just do hella if the lgd has suppression also, but I think its still to early to try and compare both products. Hopefully more will come out as more people do logs, I'm curious to see the long term effects of lgd, keepable gains, suppression ext ext.

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[stevesmi]

weighted dips bro.

and then standing tricep extensions.

they will come along.. some people are blessed with the ability to grow certain muscles.

 

[Jbranken]

OP, the biggest issue I see is that you're running two lgd back to back cycles. It has lost its effectiveness on you. I try to run each sarm only 1-2 times a year, spread out. Run something else next time and take plenty of time off between cycles. You're rushing this and bodybuilding takes an immense amount of time, dedication, and effort. It should be priority #1 from the moment you wake until the last meal you have before bed. Your tri's will grow and take shape, but you're and ecto and need to keep concentrating on changing your lifting routines and keep your cals high/clean as possible. Trust me, it will happen in time

After reading around on the forum quite a bit I am beginning to question the point of using SARMS standalone anyway.. running osta/s4 you're required to run a mini pct and/or an on cycle support like hcgenerate just to be safe, and I know running lgd which is supposedly more suppressive than osta you definitely have to. Anyway, Im beginning to wonder, why bother? Depending on where you get your sarms, the cost of those + the on/post cycle support can quite easily out cost something like a heladrol cycle with its on/post cycle supports as well.

I still have much more reading to do but I have to say that the main thing about sarms that attracted me initially was word of the ability to make gains without worrying about suppression - basically take it and dont worry - but you do have to worry about it, and if I am going to be spending on 'mini pct' products Id almost rather spend a little more or the same on a post cycle stack + products and run something like helladrol and get some much more noticeable and keepable gains. I was thinking of an 8 week osta/s4 stack but I can run a 6 week 75/75/100/100/125 heladrol for close to the same price and according to what Ive been reading, make plenty more gains.. I guess there is slightly more risk, but i figure if im following an on/post cycle protocol for both, I might as well go with what makes the biggest impact.

Anyone chime in on why they choose standalone sarms vs a ph like heladrol?

Sarms may have mild suppression but NOTHING like aas or ph. A cheap OTC pct will recover you on a sarms cycle. Aas and ph's are much more suppressive and require a well thought out pct. sarms also lack the toxicity, pumps, bp issues, and prostate growth side effects that other compounds may potentially come with, including many other sides. Since they're only mildly suppressive, they're good for pct or bridging, helping to maintain gains made on aas or ph cycles. They definitely have their place

 

[letsgosarms]

Well I can tell you that I've used both before, osta and hella. Both for different goals though. I've used hella for gaining muscle and osta for basically fat loss with a little bit of lean muscle gain. Both have been outstanding in my mind. Both got me to my goals and the best shape I've been in years. Both times I've used osta I've had no suppression or sides at all. With the hella I did have some sides but the pct took care of that 100%. There are just to few logs of the lgd to really compare it to hella yet. I can see your point to why not just do hella if the lgd has suppression also, but I think its still to early to try and compare both products. Hopefully more will come out as more people do logs, I'm curious to see the long term effects of lgd, keepable gains, suppression ext ext.

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I have few sides on LGD. Just arm zits, not too noticeable, or anything to point out in broad daylight. I can definitley see myself running LGD for the rest of my time instead of venturing into steroids. I would hate to see my hair disappear because i am prone to extreme shedding/mpb, also my liver has taken some shots in the past so i would like to maintain that. As far as those clinical trials done on LGD, i feel safe for LGD in short-term.

weighted dips bro.

and then standing tricep extensions.

they will come along.. some people are blessed with the ability to grow certain muscles.

Never put this in my routine, although tomorrow i'm going to mash it with these sets, thanks bro

OP, the biggest issue I see is that you're running two lgd back to back cycles. It has lost its effectiveness on you. I try to run each sarm only 1-2 times a year, spread out. Run something else next time and take plenty of time off between cycles. You're rushing this and bodybuilding takes an immense amount of time, dedication, and effort. It should be priority #1 from the moment you wake until the last meal you have before bed. Your tri's will grow and take shape, but you're and ecto and need to keep concentrating on changing your lifting routines and keep your cals high/clean as possible. Trust me, it will happen in time

Sarms may have mild suppression but NOTHING like aas or ph. A cheap OTC pct will recover you on a sarms cycle. Aas and ph's are much more suppressive and require a well thought out pct. sarms also lack the toxicity, pumps, bp issues, and prostate growth side effects that other compounds may potentially come with, including many other sides. Since they're only mildly suppressive, they're good for pct or bridging, helping to maintain gains made on aas or ph cycles. They definitely have their place

erggghhhh, 1-2 times a year. Do people run steroids 1/2 times a year alike? Didn't know this. Was going to take 12 weeks off 8 weeks-LGD , 4 weeks PCT. Then start another cycle in late september, not advisable?

I still eat like a man beast, i guess you are right. I have been lifting on and off since 17. Cutting for the past year, until about a month ago, strong bulk.

I also started 5mg today, 3mg in the morning , 2mg before workout at night. The pump i had in the gym today from back/bis, was fucking incredible! I blow up like a motherfucker, and it for sure looks like i am on a cycle of something. This stuff is still incredible and i will rep it to my death. I understand what a real pump is , as arnold described in pumping iron hehhe

 

[21"GunSalute]

I have few sides on LGD. Just arm zits, not too noticeable, or anything to point out in broad daylight. I can definitley see myself running LGD for the rest of my time instead of venturing into steroids. I would hate to see my hair disappear because i am prone to extreme shedding/mpb, also my liver has taken some shots in the past so i would like to maintain that. As far as those clinical trials done on LGD, i feel safe for LGD in short-term.



Never put this in my routine, although tomorrow i'm going to mash it with these sets, thanks bro



erggghhhh, 1-2 times a year. Do people run steroids 1/2 times a year alike? Didn't know this. Was going to take 12 weeks off 8 weeks-LGD , 4 weeks PCT. Then start another cycle in late september, not advisable?

I still eat like a man beast, i guess you are right. I have been lifting on and off since 17. Cutting for the past year, until about a month ago, strong bulk.

I also started 5mg today, 3mg in the morning , 2mg before workout at night. The pump i had in the gym today from back/bis, was fucking incredible! I blow up like a motherfucker, and it for sure looks like i am on a cycle of something. This stuff is still incredible and i will rep it to my death. I understand what a real pump is , as arnold described in pumping iron hehhe

Have you ever got your results from your bloodwork test you mentioned in your last lgd log back in April? I'm mainly curious in the sides of this sarm and negative effects if it. Curious to see if it really is any safer than say hella or some other ph. You can gain alot from a hella type ph and if it has the same sides or less why not just go that route. I'm really just trying to out way the pros and the cons before I try any substance that's all. But than again everyones body reacts differently.

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[Jbranken]

I have few sides on LGD. Just arm zits, not too noticeable, or anything to point out in broad daylight. I can definitley see myself running LGD for the rest of my time instead of venturing into steroids. I would hate to see my hair disappear because i am prone to extreme shedding/mpb, also my liver has taken some shots in the past so i would like to maintain that. As far as those clinical trials done on LGD, i feel safe for LGD in short-term.



Never put this in my routine, although tomorrow i'm going to mash it with these sets, thanks bro



erggghhhh, 1-2 times a year. Do people run steroids 1/2 times a year alike? Didn't know this. Was going to take 12 weeks off 8 weeks-LGD , 4 weeks PCT. Then start another cycle in late september, not advisable?

I still eat like a man beast, i guess you are right. I have been lifting on and off since 17. Cutting for the past year, until about a month ago, strong bulk.

I also started 5mg today, 3mg in the morning , 2mg before workout at night. The pump i had in the gym today from back/bis, was fucking incredible! I blow up like a motherfucker, and it for sure looks like i am on a cycle of something. This stuff is still incredible and i will rep it to my death. I understand what a real pump is , as arnold described in pumping iron hehhe

Well if you think about the length of a steroid cycle (normally 2,3,4 months + pct) and go by the time on + pct = time off rule, then yes, you should ony be doing 1-2 steroid cycles a year if you want to recover properly. Otherwise, you might as well just stay on. Just like anything else, running lgd cycles over and over means they will inevitably lose their effectiveness. Not to mention, there's a lot of unknowns with this drug still so I wouldn't be running multiple cycles with it just yet

 

[notjake11]

The time period you mentioned is exactly right. 8 week cycle plus 4 week PCT = 12 weeks. Time on = Time off. 12 weeks off covers you there. Given that LGD is less suppressive than most true AAS keeping to that schedule should be fine.

The one thing to keep in mind is that running the same compound continuously can sometimes result in diminishing returns as the body gets used to that one compound. Switching it up keeps the body working differently (same as switching up your workouts and/or diet).