Lets open this discussion about legal alternatives to Steroids.

[ManOfArms]

I got the same BS in my elitefitness inbox, there are none, lets be real about this shit.

 

[yaro]

I sence a touch of sarcasm in your post.

Is the injectable "HO" water based or oil based?

 

[jatca69]

Is the injectable "HO" water based or oil based?

oil

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Ok, I got my hands on an advanced version (not finalized) of an article that we will publish soon regarding some of these new hormones and their safety.
Hopefully this article will answer a lot of questions about the safety of these hormones. Sice some guys like "Becoming" have already dug in their heels, I don't expect any of them to admit to being wrong or even consider another point of view. But maybe it will open the eyes of some of you guys who are still willing to make up your own mind about things.

BTW- I think Becoming is way off and doesn't really know what he is talking about. Becoming was telling somebody in this thread to ingest a whole bottle of M-1-T in one shot, to prove it is safe... that had to be one of the dumbest fucking things I have seen on these boards. You can't test the safety of a drug by trying to intentionaly O.D on it. even a regular Multivitamin can intoxicate you if you take a whole bottle at once.

Just because somebody waves a college education and medical terms in your face, it doesn't make them smarter than you (or even smart at all). I have met too many dumb motherfuckers with a college education (mostly doctors), to be impressed by somebody telling me they have performed "lab experiments".

Hold for the article guys, I'll have a link to it in the next 48hr.

 

[lartinos]

I just started T-OH and will see what happens. The methylated nandrlone is good to go from my experience and the M1t is fucking garbage that should be illegal. T-OH seems to have no drawbacks so hopefully I gain it. Oh BTW, I am super sensitive to prolactin gyno and did not get any on the methlated nandro-OH.

 

[Becoming]

Hopefully this article will answer a lot of questions about the safety of these hormones. Sice some guys like "Becoming" have already dug in their heels, I don't expect any of them to admit to being wrong or even consider another point of view.

Funny that jcam222 just pointed out a chemical that does have some documented effects and yet I went out of my way to provide him with all the info I could find on it... Funny that I am so biased that I would go out of my way to help him in his quest for knowledge regarding PHs

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3946540&postcount=100

You are right I am closed minded


The point about ingesting a bottle of M1T was to state that these things are not totally safe and need to be viewed with caution... Obviously you like twisting words around and taking things out of context.... The sign of a true fake.

Just because somebody waves a college education and medical terms in your face, it doesn't make them smarter than you (or even smart at all). I have met too many dumb motherfuckers with a college education (mostly doctors), to be impressed by somebody telling me they have performed "lab experiments".

Funny - the truly wise man admits he does not know everything, as I have... I have been willing to read your "scientific" papers by these "scientist friends" of yours (which have not been supplied) and to honestly consider them, and provided info contrary to my views for people that support prohormones (as above) yet when confronted by fact you choose to act irrationally, ignore details, dodge questions and name call...

I have faced the fact that you are a snake-oil salesman and a charlitan - it is too bad too many folks can't see the difference...

My only question is are you truly so ignorant, or is the almighty dollar that important to you?

I can't wait till this thread gets deleted just like the previous one down in chat.... (why was that anyways?)

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

Becoming & Rick, you bros be cool. Rick it is a discussion bro, pros and cons. Becoming, you two keep it cool don't get defensive or attack the other person's credibility. Keep the discussion civil, no flame throwing during an adult discussion. k?

Becoming has some good points and Rick has some good points, ya'll be cool.

This is almost as much fun as Fonz and Nelson, okay no it isn't.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

awww fuck it. article will be up soon.

 

[Triple J]

Thank you for pointing out that you don't know anything about the pharmaceutical industry and FDA regulations.... Longterm studies are done for a period of several years IN HUMANS before a drug is approved. In addition, follow up studies (including Phase IV clinical trials) are done post approval to ascertain and to act as a safety net AFTER a drugs release.... how do you think drugs get recalled for safety reasons? Longterm effects ARE known and your argument is false. Mistakes are made, but at least there is a net in place to stop damage before it gets too out of hand....

OK long term studies in humans is a couple years??? followed by some follow-up after drug is released? and drugs get recalled because long-term effects ARE KNOWN? these gems of logic are impressive, but think about this: in some peoples view (including the AMA as I mentioned) several years is not enough to evaluate long-term effects in a human. That is what lab rats are for, since there is really NO WAY to practically evaluate long-term human effects. Note: human life span is approximately 30x the lifespan of the lab-rat.

For the most part, the reasons other researched AAS were not brought to market were economic vs. functional. Other drugs were available to do the job, no point splitting the pie too thin. Originally drug companies thought the market would be huge for these miracle compounds. But then came side effects and athletic corruption, and the politicizing process started and research was halted. Some established FDA approved AAS were even taken off market, like dbol and anavar. Of course anavar later returned when the emerging AIDS market made the $$$ right.

Now by your lofty standards tap water would not be deemed safe either (not FDA regulated, purity varies from community to community). do you think people would die waiting for water to get approval - you know people die waiting for therapies to get through the FDA bureacracy, right?

I suggest a conservative approach to any new drugs. Evaluate the new steroids based on the direct research and by deductive reasoning, looking at similar compounds, and gauging the feedback from trusted users around the boards (a damn good objective market reaction). based on this approach you may be able to take advantage of new innovations, without waiting for things to get approved that are not ever going to get approved, under any circumstances. if instead, you think new & innovative ergogenic aids are going to be handed to the bodybuilding community on a silver platter by the FDA, then sit tight. If you are happy with your current AAS and sources, that is fine by me, too.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Here is the article as promised:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=337866

The original piece was very simple and to the point. Spellwin did his own thing with it.